Christians...how do you justify all of this?

reply to post by theendisnear69



You just summed up exactly what this thread is about and my reasoning for posting to begin with. It isn't the content so much that I have an issue with, it is the contradiction and the denial that I just can't seem to accept.

Good post...star worthy

Originally posted by Freakaloin
it's pretty funny how christians use the ole 'we follow the new testament not the old anymore' argument. cuz ya know...the new testament does have many repulsive passages for one ...and also, why do ya still adhere to the ten commandments? lol pick and choose...which is it?

well, the OP directed a question to Christians.

what is the point to contributing here when their attempt to reason is received in this manner?

reply to post by Griff


I was not threatening anyone.
I was asking why the OP did not have anything critical to say about Islam.
My point was that it was safe to criticize Christianity and ridicule Jesus.
No one will kill you for that.
But, if you were to talk about Islam, the Koran, and Mohamid, the same way that people love to talk abot Christianity, the Bible, and Jesus, you should take out a policy.
And do not be so thin skinned. I think you may be exagerating your being offended by your misunderstanding of my post.
Have you heard about the woman who is going to be beheaded in Saudi Arabia, because her male neighber accused her of making him impotent, by witchcraft?
How about saying somthing about genocide in Darfur, instead of something that may or may not have happened thousands of years ago?
Read my other posts, in this thread, concerning "historical" events and what it has to do with today's religion.

[edit on 7-3-2008 by jmdewey60]

i think religious moderates are even worse than the fundies. at least the fundies have core beliefs they stick to. moderates want it both ways. they want to go to heaven but don't want to be associated with the crazies who take the word literally.. the pick and choose what they want to believe which is why you hear this new vs old testament excuse and a host of other rationalizations ...and the worst thing, moderates enable fundies...legitmize them if you will...keeping their crazy beliefs relevent and making it almost impossible for societies to move forward and away from the dogma. attacking science is fine and dandy but it's taboo to go after ppl's religious beliefs publicly. you can thank the moderates for this nonsense...

reply to post by jmdewey60


Islam is constantly being ridiculed. It's christianity's turn

Don't get me wrong Islam is just as stupid as christianity

reply to post by undo


Ah, ... 19*10 equals 200? Am I missing something here, or the basic math is off? Undo, do you know what I'm talking about ---> names, leaders of the fallen angels.


[edit on 7-3-2008 by crestone]

Originally posted by P-a-r-a-d-o-X-2
Truth is your being paranoid, selfish and egotistical and Im just asking questions as I see fit.

Peace in the ALL.

I think it was a lack of understanding on my part and for that I apologize I wasn't saying 'you' I was pointing out something I've noticed in this thread, THEN I went to answer you and you had removed your post, so I had to go with my memory of what you asked or wanted to know. I thought the answer I gave was very humble and loving or atleast that was my intent. You asked for the understanding of Luke 14:26-27 and I gave you exactly what you asked-or tried to. Sometimes my strong conviction and faith and passion for the Word of God can be misconstrued as egotistical, but believe me, I'm very shy otherwise In fact the only time I get all fired up is when I know the Word of God is being attacked as it so clearly is in this thread.

Anyway, did I not answer your question in regards to the passage on Luke? Like I said I went back to read your entire query but your post was gone. And for the record, there is only one that judges and fortunately it isn't me, there was nothing judgmental about my response to you at all, I even read it twice over to make sure.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
The video takes scripture out of context!

100 years ago Medical Doctors were killing 1000s of patients because they didn't know about germs yet. They would go from patient to patient wit out washing their hands. They spread diseases everywhere, and were clueless.
So the date for science discovering this is aprox, 1900

OK lets go to Leviticus circa 1446 B.C.
Lev 15:8
And if he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean; then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.

lev 7:19
And the flesh that toucheth any unclean [thing] shall not be eaten; it shall be burnt with fire: and as for the flesh, all that be clean shall eat thereof.

Wow so only some 3500 years or so before the smartest men figured it out God had told his chosen people all about bacteria and germs. Because he wanted them to be stronger and healthier to prove he was the true God and so he could bring Jesus into the world.

Yes, good example.

Many people just don't understand the scripture.

But, your post didn't even really get noticed, did it?

Originally posted by theendisnear69
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

So if I were god your saying that this is what I would do.

I would kill everyone. I would kill all the children but only the boys because i'm gonna keep the girls for all the men to have their way with them. But see i'm not done yet i'm going to round up all the pregnant women and cut them open.

hahaha wow i love god he is so delightfully evil. he's a genius actually. He knows exactly how to keep the people in line. A flood here a pestilence there.

Save the girls??? Cut open pregnant women?? Dude, what are you...a retard??? Its pretty obvious you do not understand anything going on and should just go back to your stupid little happy (or evil) place where you can think up more moronic assinine things to say

reply to post by BlackOps719


I gotta tell ya, there's alot of disdain for Christians, not just on ATS, but all over the world, and with good reason. The most powerful figures in the world right now are "Christian", you can't get elected in this country without being a Christian. As a Christian I feel it my duty to tell all of you that not all of us are that bad..Bush isn't a Christian, he's a diluted puppet who never read the Bible and shows up to church just to look good in public. His actions speak louder than words...If we were truly a Christian nation, we wouldn't be in Iraq, we wouldn't be exploiting the 3rd world for their resources, our drug companies would make drugs that work, not ones that make you sicker, we would not have a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons and there would be no IRS. Our poor would be uplifted, people would live alot longer, global warming would be immediately remedied, our prison system would be a real rehabilitation system instead of a lock and forget system. We wouldn't throw pot head hippies in jail by the droves. The NWO wouldn't even be an after thought. Seriously, I'm not saying that it would be world peace, but a TRULY Christian nation would follow the examples of the Christ, not the doctrine of the Church. People don't know the difference between Canaan Law and Biblical law. People don't realize that the Catholic church is a heresy. The Pope is tantamount to Idol Worship. I could go on and on and on.

As a Christian, these are the values I hold dear, and I leave room for my gay brothers and sisters, my poor brothers and sisters, my sick brothers and sisters..Because the law of God is All inclusive...And heaven is non-denominational. I don't care if you're a Pagan, Wiccan, or Thelemite. (These people are often pleasant, but like most religious people, sadly misinformed about their own faith). And they have good pot.

Look the point is this...If all religions did what their respective prophets asked of them, then the world would be a better place...Instead we listen to the Church or the Mosque of Synagogue. These are supposed to be where people go to express their faith, not a place to hammer out the next set of evermore binding BS laws.

And just for the record..As a Christian, the Buddhists are probably right.

Originally posted by themillersdaughter
reply to post by jon1

 

I apologize if my words caused you pain.

I'm not suggesting Christians should dispense with their beliefs...is there some reason your anger is over-riding your intellect?

I am well aware that God can have immense effect on a person's life. Sometimes it is good and sometimes it means you're being tied to a stake and burnt alive.

And I can assure you that I am "all grown up and haired over".

Edit for typo..

[edit on 3/7/08 by themillersdaughter]

The reason for my anger is that my faith is not blind faith. I know that God is as real as you are.
Hence I get very frustrated when people ridicule God.
I know that you think it is all a fairytale but please have some respect for those who know otherwise.

Thank you.

reply to post by beach2197


now see that is really funny. That's exactly what god told the israelites to do to the nations they were invading.

And just how exactly am I a retard? really I would like to know. Is it maybe because I think for myself and question religion

reply to post by crestone


One of the reasons 1Enoch is not considered canon is because it has some odd mistakes in translation, but the bible backs up the important points:

The human genome was tinkered with by these "Extra-terrestrial" beings who we think of biblically, as angels. And they also "civilized" us, which is all the references to plants, the creation of weapons, enchantments and so forth. It just shows that we went from not knowing these things to knowing them, and they were signs that we went from being people surviving on the land (bunch o' wandering nomads) to people living in cities, building civilizations with all its trappings.

Originally posted by themillersdaughter
You are misguided in your belief that I am associated with Wicca (another man made religion, btw). It seems strange that you would make that assumption...as if you were psychic or something (isn't that against the rules in Christianity)?! Perhaps your aquaintance is just a well-read, self educated, literate person with the ability to think for herself and you sense the same about me???

Reading your posts you seem to continue to imply that Christians need to live a perfect life that they are required to live by their religion otherwise they are hypocritical. If this was the case then Jesus would not have needed to die for our sins and we would not be human.

The life of a Christian is a daily struggle of living and doing the right thing while failing at it all the time. When a Christian stops this struggle and does what ever they feel like doing without the thought whether the act is good or evil is no longer living a Christian life.


[edit on 7-3-2008 by Xtrozero]

Hi wanted to post a comment on this topic. First whats so great about being human is that we have a free will that people can believe whatever they want and thats their decision. Second is that religion is all theory each one is speculative and no one will know for sure till we die if we are right or wrong in the matter. If someone wants to believe something or not believe something that is their choice, I think most people get overzealous or upset that someone might be mocking their religion, everyone has their right to their own opinion and should be respectful of everyone elses. In regards to the Christian faith, I saw one post on how could Christ pay for someone's sin that is not yet born. That is a linear way of thinking, just assuming that christianity is right for a moment. God is outside the restraints of time and therefore can see all past, present, and future before it happens and it all coexists simaltaneously and would be able to see someones sin that had not been born yet because in another dimension of time that person was already commiting those sins. In regards to homosexuality and sexuality its all lumped into one category "Adultery" we think that just means cheating but in the hebrew the word is Pornea where we get the term porn. This under hebrew law was all forms of sexual sin: Fornication, cheating, masturbation, homosexuality, beastiality and so forth... its all the same in Gods eyes. The whole message from Christ was love the sinner and hate the sin, we are all people who have sinned so judging someone for something they do and not looking at ourselves is very hypocritical. "Judge not lest ye be judged." "Do not try to remove the splinter from your brothers eye, till you remove the log from your own." "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone." Again everything is speculative and we wont know till we die, but people in my opinion just need to respect each other and their beliefs regardless of what we think about them. Have a great weekend everyone!

Originally posted by jon1

I know that God is as real as you are.

first of all...no you don't. secondly, why do you think this?

What church does not exert its belief or try to in governmental affairs or have secretive efforts to gain influence ? Do not Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. have influence in Government policy? What church does not expect Tithe of some sort? What Church does not have members lobbying or in Government positions that affect all of us?

Did not Muslims riot over free speech in Newspaper Cartoon Editorials? People Died, if thats not stifling free speech not sure what is. Do Christians not try to outlaw abortion, birth control, the list is far to long to put here. Who Ran Europe until maybe 100 years ago?

Who runs most Muslim Nations? Have you looked South of the Border Lately, who is trying to run that Government and have made significant inroads? Would it not be the Fundamentalist Religious Right?

Thus also to add.. Christians have people like Pat Robertson, and Fred Phelps in their corner. That pretty much says it for me..

And if you are like.. They are not christians!! I dont belive you.. They most seritnly are of the cloth, and faith!

This Bible of yours can be taught with some love.. But when it comes right down to it.. Most religious books teach is hate. OR thats how some read into it.. Thus you have people who take it as Hate.. Some take it as teachings, and a way to live ones life.

In the end there is only love.. And hate will be that which exposes your leaders for who they are really are..
Why would you keep on supporting that powerbase?

Im still at a loss for words. There are some good people out there being mislead by lies, and hate.

I hope you open your eyes before its too late..

Originally posted by Freakaloin
i think religious moderates are even worse than the fundies. at least the fundies have core beliefs they stick to. moderates want it both ways. they want to go to heaven but don't want to be associated with the crazies who take the word literally.. the pick and choose what they want to believe which is why you hear this new vs old testament excuse and a host of other rationalizations ...and the worst thing, moderates enable fundies...legitmize them if you will...keeping their crazy beliefs relevent and making it almost impossible for societies to move forward and away from the dogma. attacking science is fine and dandy but it's taboo to go after ppl's religious beliefs publicly. you can thank the moderates for this nonsense...

I'm sorry, why should I have to follow a nutcase fundamentalist bent on war, and a host of other deplorable acts that people of real faith don't subscribe to? You can't blame me for other people having a few screws loose. That is unfair and inaccurate. There are fundies all over the place..And people like myself fight THEM not science, not other religions. The two most respectable Biblical scholars I know, my mother and Father Calderoni warn against taking the Bible too literally because it is 2000 year old allegory and much of that does NOT apply to the world of today. For that reason, I believe the word of Christ in the Bible, not the word of the church of morons like Jerry Falwell which give all people of faith, any faith, a bad name. I'm sorry, but I will not be blamed for the messes fundies make, because it is left up to the MODERATES to clean it up...As they get feces flung at them by people like you.

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I don't think god cares if people ridicule it. I too can say with certainty that there is a God. But I will say this...I am totally ok with ridiculing religions institutions that do more harm than good.

Originally posted by projectvxn


I'm sorry, why should I have to follow a nutcase fundamentalist bent on war, and a host of other deplorable acts that people of real faith don't subscribe to? You can't blame me for other people having a few screws loose. That is unfair and inaccurate. There are fundies all over the place..And people like myself fight THEM not science, not other religions. The two most respectable Biblical scholars I know, my mother and Father Calderoni warn against taking the Bible too literally because it is 2000 year old allegory and much of that does NOT apply to the world of today. For that reason, I believe the word of Christ in the Bible, not the word of the church of morons like Jerry Falwell which give all people of faith, any faith, a bad name. I'm sorry, but I will not be blamed for the messes fundies make, because it is left up to the MODERATES to clean it up...As they get feces flung at them by people like you.

lol their fundy beliefs are the real faith. moderates change this belief to fit more into their own world view and not seem so crazy. you don't moderate the word of god. well you can but that makes one a hypocrite imo. if god is perfect and the bible is the word of god 2000, years doesn't change anything...but it does for moderates...go figure.