their god would tell the israelites to wipe out entire nations. he would tell them to kill everyone, even the women and children. I don't see how you can justify that in any way. The people don't have a choice what country they were born into, much less what god their king is going to make them serve.

When king Saul kept some of the livestock and gold and spared some of the people from one of the nations god ridiculed him.

that doen't really seem like like a loving peaceful god to me

good post

My _javascript is disabled or I don't have the latest version of adobe flash and I can't see the video, at ALL.
Could you fill me in on the finer points, please?

I know as far as the wars went, Some of the more evil nations were NOT spared, not only because of their sin against God, but, because of their 'leaven' of evil religion, which would plague the nation of Israel until now.

It seemed the Hebrews ALWAYS seemed to turn to Molech, Baal or the "queen' of heaven, turning their back on the precepts of God.

Thank you in advance.

Great.
Now, just change it from Christianity to Islam.
Talk about how the Koran is false and Mohamed is an idiot.
Post it on youtube and along with it, post your name, address and phone number.
Talk about how stupid it is to obseve Friday, and how it is rediculous to pray towards Mecca, five times a day.
Do that, and I will tell you what I think about this video.
Go ahead and make a post on this forum, anouncing that you put up a video saying that Islam is detestable, so I can watch it.
BTW get a good life insurance policy.

Unfortunately this particular thread is not about Islam, it is about Christianity. Feel free to post whatever you wish about Islam. As I stated in the original post, these facts from your bible put the peaceful religion of Christianity on par with Islam and there is no denying it.


Instead of deflecting and dancing around the questions and topics at hand, why not give an explanation about why it is that your "religion of peace" is clearly so blood thirsty and barbaric? Islam has been dragged through the mud 1,000 times, that is old news. Let's see what happens when Christians get a taste of their own medicine and are made to answer to the wordings and parables of their own God

[edit on 3/6/08 by BlackOps719]

With the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ we came into a new covenant (agreement) with God. He paid our price for sin and allowed us to find the father. The price paid can be accepted by anyone that accepts Jesus as their Lord and savior, there is no time limit for the offering. In other words everyone has the term of their life to accept Jesus and the salvation offered. If a sinner was put to death by man for whatever reason under this new covenant, that man would be taking away the sinners right to find salvation (Jesus) and forgiveness during the term of their natural god given life.

So we need to read the Old Testament with an understanding of the New.

Originally posted by kinglizard
With the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ we came into a new covenant (agreement) with God. He paid our price for sin and allowed us to find the father. The price paid can be accepted by anyone that accepts Jesus as their Lord and savior, there is no time limit for the offering. In other words everyone has the term of their life to accept Jesus and the salvation offered. If a sinner was put to death by man for whatever reason under this new covenant, that man would be taking away the sinners right to find salvation (Jesus) and forgiveness during the term of their natural god given life.

So we need to read the Old Testament with an understanding of the New.

That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. How could Jesus pay my "debt" before I'm even born? And how does one acquire a debt before birth? Why would I be born any differently than Jesus?
And what is it I need saving from anyway? Eternal damnation if I don't join the Jesus club? What kind of a "God" would condemn his children to eternal damnation without at least explaining why?
Christianity is the biggest conspiracy in the world. A small group of self appointed men control millions of people, and their money, by simply saying that unless you join the club you will burn in hell for all eternity. There is absolutely no proof of any of their claims, yet people buy their scam out of fear and confusion.
God is pure love and yet will condemn his children to burn in hell??? I don't think so. Jesus was only crucified once, but "Christianity" has crucified the teachings of Jesus for thousands of years.

First off, God him self flooded the whole world in judgment?

Did anyone tell you why at school? Do you still not know?

First off God wiped out all living things including Animals off the face of the planet and saved Noah and his family and the Animals with a good gene variety.

Why would a loving God kill, destroy all living things?

Come on is that not barbaric?

Okay here is the missing issues that you have not read or they won't tell you, issues that Islam deny ever happened let alone the science world but at least it had a good reason.

The explantion is that, as Genesis 6 explains- The Son's of God had Children with the daughters of men. This created a hybrid race of Angel men Giants. Not only was the gene pool polluted of humans, so were the animals, maybe dinosaurs for all we know were hybrid experiments from the Angels, but what happenned polluted the human gene pool.
Is that not a good excuse? Is that not better than killing people for being in the wrong place and not believing.

Isreal and Jesus had a destiny- Jesus was known to be born and had to be born as redeemer, but many people and Angels and hybrids got in the way. Greek and Egyptian and Babylonian history all depict Giants, because of this other unknown history.

This was not the end as this occured many times when Angel/man hybrids were set out to destroy the world and the coming of the saviour. This is all in the Bible and it's history.
The Isrealites had to decontaminate, not only was that the issue but the issue to bring the line of Adam, his bloodline to be carried into a future where Jesus would be born.

This completion made it possible for Jesus to become redeemer, so even if all those wars and killings happenned, it was because this future we are now in has produced over 6 Billion lives so far plus all the rest since 2,000AD in which Christ can bring in and save people. If it had not occured we would not be here now.

If you see know of the conspiracies on this website forums you can see how it's all happenning again, as Jesus predicted that as the time of Noah so shall his next arrival be. Look at the UFO activity and all this reptillian bloodline and illuminati talk is saying and the genetic modified world right now.
You think that's right? You let it happen again and we will be doomed, and that is their plan, to wipe man off mankind off the planet so the big serpent Satan wins the day. He is still at it with wiping the Jews out, Hitler tried it Ancient Islam tried the Romans were thinking about it let alone the rest. This will happen again, but Old Testement does not effect the behavour of the New Testement Christian way, because that way was different, those stories were ancient even to Jesus 2000 years ago and to say we agree or disagree does not make sense, at that time if that was what happened then that's the way it did.

No one today is going by Old Testement stories to try and use it as an excuse to kill, It does not work in the same light as Islam which you can because there is no Saviour figure there and all old ancient ways are as one as with the present, and that is not Christianity.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by The time lord]

The video is based on the Old Testament. I think its easy for all to see that this older part of the bible is barbaric, and Not so Perfect.

The New Testament is where the religion of love comes into play. Or to say it another way, to correct the imperfect teachings of the Old Testament.

I would guess that at least 80% of Christians don't really know the whole story of the religion they follow.

I wonder how many people in the worlds history have died in the name of Jesus Christ, compared to Satan? What makes a religion evil? Does its history? Or its propaganda determine this.

I have many Christians in my life, and well you just can't talk to these people about the uglier side of there faith, without running the risk of them turning there back to you. So much for not judging or turning the other cheek, yet these same people believe that the law of the land should mirror the laws of there faith, uh Without a discussion about it.

*edit to add*

You can't justify any of this without blind faith.

[edit on 6-3-2008 by LDragonFire]

As for this video, I do not find much honisty in it.
It is based on some false assumptions and innacuracies.
It misrepresents what some of these texts say.
Why is a justice an athority on how many people believe in the ten commandments?
If you pin people down, they will end up not supporting the sabbath.
It is not really a Christian concept. The idea of the sabbath had a new revival when the pilgrems came to America. But what they called the sabbath was not the sabbath of the old testament.
Trying to get some idea that Christianity supports a new type of cruelty, by looking at a parable of Jesus is rediculous. All he is saying is that holding onto material things do you no good in the next life.