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Originally posted by WestPoint23
The F-22 has partaken in multiple exercises which simulate actual conflict to the best of the US Armed Forces ability, and then some.
The F-22 Raptor kill ratio was 244 to 2
there will be 58 Raptors stationed within the immediate vicinity of the Pacific Rim
Then you factor in the US wings in Korea and Japan and the forces that would be flown in at Guam and Okinawa.
with greater force multipliers
Just one point about Chinese SAM's, they would have to be placed near the Chinese coast making them highly vulnerable and predictable. I wont even mention VLO, EW, SEAD/DEAD etc... capabilty.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
I'm not sure if Nellis birds had any restrictions placed on them in terms of limited speed and G's but even if they did it would not matter, the margin would still be the same. The F-22 has also faced F-16's and Super Hornets and come away without any problems.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Maybe Willard can answer this one, I'll ask around. With AESA LPI, MAW would only be useful when the missile goes active so I don't thinkg it would not be a game winner since by that time you better be pulling the O ring.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
See Constant Peg, also, Red Force pilots try to simulate avionics, maneuvering, weapons and tactics of likely enemies.
Originally posted by deckard83
Also rear-facing radar which the russians use.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Even if your radar cone happens to be in the particular sector where the F-22 is operating you would not be able to track it when it open its weapons bays to fire. At best you might notice something and work your way into figuring out what it was. The bays are designed to be open for only a fraction of a second, not enough time to really detect or track anything, and that’s with direct main radar coverage. Much less with a limited rear facing radar system.
Originally posted by chinawhite
All aircraft have been placed in "simulated" combat. …"simulated combat" experience when discussing it compared to American aircraft like the F-15 because it doesn't mean much.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Which means very little. If 244 F-15s were to attack 2 F-22s, which group of aircraft would come out the victor?
Originally posted by chinawhite
And those air exercises did not test the F-22s. They merely put them into current situations to show congress the shock and awe the F-22 would cause against conventional forces.
Originally posted by chinawhite
You can bet the Russians, Europeans and Chinese themselves are working on anti-stealth technology and probably already modified existing technology to combat the advantages of stealth.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Where will they be stationed? How will they get there?
Originally posted by chinawhite
And is the airbase they are at going to be already dysfunctional from the barrage of Ballistic missiles which will definitely be fired at them. Please don't bring up the "anti-missile" capabilities of the SM-3, un-proven, not in general service etc.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Their Air force might be large but they have few airbases to operate on, these of course will be attacked by the roughly 1000 IRBM in service which are "known”.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Korea and Japan are both 1500km away. Guam is 3000km away...
Originally posted by chinawhite
Tell me how they are going to re-fuel those planes, especially the ones that need to fuel near the Taiwan Strait.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Also, which government report states that Japan or Korea will allow American aircraft to take off in their airspace.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Kadena will be subject to Ballistic missile, cruise, A2G etc. Basically anything that can be used to destroy the airbase.
Originally posted by chinawhite
You mean those HUNDRED's of fixed and mobile land based radars based on chinas very own shores?
Originally posted by chinawhite
Why would placing them near the coast make them "highly venerable". The US had a lot of trouble finding large SCUD launchers in the Iraqi DESERT, try find S-300s in the jungles, hill and valleys of southern china.
Originally posted by chinawhite
The Chinese military is no third world Iraqi military based in the open desert. When it denies the airspace around Taiwan for enough time so ground toops land it finishes its mission.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
China would not dare expand any potential conflict to include ballistic missile launches on Japanese territory, US bases and US territories.
However it does give an indication and it has shown to be effective in preparing the people involved for combat as they seem to do better after having done the course.
It shows that the F-15 is significantly inferior to the F-22 when it comes to performance under a constant and equal environment.
Umm… right, expert pilots, latest 4th Gen US aircraft, double digit SAM's, Jamming/EW, AWACS, essentially unlimited number of fighters (regeneration), no restriction on parameters and tactics for the OPFOR, latest USN fighters and AEGIS ships. Yup, only a pony show indeed, with only "conventional" forces as our likely opponents will far surpass those above mentioned systems and capabilties.
you are contradicting yourself. I can't mention the SM-3 an operational missile with proven capability and published test result. However you can "bet" on speculative programs which the Russians, Chinese and European must surely have that will render the F-22 completely useless?
The first Raptors on the scene would be those which are based in Alaska and Hawaii. They could depart within 24 hours and fly via tanker support non stop first to Japan and Guam before heading to Kadena
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Taiwan knows this too as such their airbases are shielded and dispersed
However they always train to be able to use and operate from improvised and informal runways and secondary bases.
Your combat radius figures for the Viper and Eagle are wrong but anyway ever heard of in flight refueling? The US military is the pre eminent leader in that type of logistical support
It's a point that would be easy to cover with AEGIS SAM's and fighter support from Kadena
The US has a mutual defense treaty with South Korea and Japan. And if you are planning on attack US bases in both countries then it's rather silly to say they wont allow free US operation.
If you're willing to go down that route, which I'm almost confident China won't, then the US can in turn lay waste to all Chinese facilities and forces in Southern China.
Those radars would be one of the first targets, and as I said previously if they are used constantly then they will be easy to destroy
The popular idea of shooting cruise missiles, anti-radiation missiles or standoff missiles at the S-300P/S-300V battery, assuming its location is known, is only viable where such a weapon has a sufficiently low radar signature to penetrate inside the minimum engagement range of the SAM before being detected - anything less will see the inbound missile killed by a self defensive SAM shot. The current Russian view of this is to sell Tor M1/SA-15 Gauntlet self-propelled point defence SAM systems as a rapid reaction close in defensive system to protect the S-300P/S-300V battery by shooting down the incoming missile if it gets past the S-300P/S-300V SAMs.
If China were to put S-300's in predictable zones along it's coast to optimize their coverage of the battlefield then they would be easy to locate and destroy.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Which means very little. If 244 F-15s were to attack 2 F-22s, which group of aircraft would come out the victor?.
Where will they be stationed?. How will they get there? And is the airbase they are at going to be already dysfunctional from the barrage of Ballistic missiles which will definitely be fired at them. Please don't bring up the "anti-missile" capabilities of the SM-3,
Originally posted by FredT
The Raptors could stage froma bit further off, or Okinawa etc.
If the SM-3 is unproven , then why did the Chinese Communists pitch such a hissy when it took out the satelite?.