Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by Jimbowsk
You are a miracle. You're alive. What is life?
Drs and Scientists can't answer that one.
What is the measurable difference when a man dies? he weighs the same...
so what happened? he lost his life... hmmmmm
I love how there's this us vs. them mentality. Because science can't explain it then religion (Christianity to be specific) must be right. How does
this make any sense? There are tons of interpretations on life, and just because we cannot grasp it, it does not imply "Christian God", or any god
for that matter. Existence is something beyond our understanding, but to say existence is god, it is avoiding the issue rather than attempting to
figure it out. That is my only problem with zealots. I don't mind that Christianity exists and people believe in it. My problem is that people would
rather adhere to a religion that refers to its own followers as sheep than try to solve the big questions for themselves, then act like they have all
the answers. I mean can you prove that Islam is somehow wrong? I mean the Quran has all the proof you need that it is the right religion. Or any
religion for that matter.
I mean you talk about the weight of life. That's just ridiculous. Like I said before, it is another one of those concepts that are beyond the
physical. That is why there is the subject of metaphysics in philosophy; it is to study these beyond physical concepts and phenomenon. But life still
does not imply god, and even more off logically would be the implication of the existence of a Christian God who sits in heaven with Jesus, answering
prayers all day, utterly concerned with the inner workings of your everyday life.
And that that hard-drive thing merely correlates life as electrical impulses, if you look at it in a purely physical way (which I do not suggest
people do). It is also well known that electrons weigh very little. It's well known that electric impulses is what makes you move and think (though
seemingly with free will, which is a huge subject of debate in the realm of metaphysics). However, I do not advocate looking at matters from only a
physical perspective, as the physical is only one aspect of it. An analogy for this would be the wavelengths of a musical note versus and the feel of
The only difference between you and a computer is that you have the ability to make decisions that are seemingly more than mere pre-programmed
reactions to stimuli. You can call that a miracle, but then again a mouse who does not understand how its supply of fresh water comes in through a
tube can call that a miracle too.
Allow me to pose a simple paradox:
First assume that time is one dimensional. What happens happens, and the past cannot be changed. Tim decides to travel back in time to kill his
If Tim has what it takes, then he can kill grandfather.
Tim has what it takes.
Therefore Tim can kill grandfather.
If Tim didn't kill grandfather (historically), then he can't kill grandfather.
Tim didn't kill grandfather.
Therefore Tim cannot kill grandfather.
I'm sure neither science nor religion can answer this question suitably. How is it possible that Tim can and cannot kill grandfather at the same
time? The answer is certainly not "god did it." Fundamentally, it is the question of determinism vs. free will. Only philosophy is the true path, as
science is overly concerned with the physical, while religion (in recent times, specifically Christianity) is overly concerned with dogma. Philosophy
to the ancients was the closest one can get to comprehending the divine, and by divine I mean those concepts that are out of reach for the human mind,
and the original religions were based upon these concepts. Such a question is, of course, what is life? What is existence? How did the first cause
come to be?
Certainly the answer is not simply "god did it," as it avoids the whole issue altogether, because you can literally say that for anything. How does
a cell phone work? God.
Oh and there's the classic if god is all powerful, then can he create a boulder so heavy that even he himself cannot lift? If he can't create the
boulder then that's a testament to him not bing all powerful, but if he succeeds and cannot lift it, then again it is a testament to him not being
all powerful. There's a response to this issue but I don't remember what it is. I'm just putting the idea out there.
Again, don't get me wrong, I am not an atheist. In my opinion, atheists are not seeing the big picture, and Christians are just not seeing the
picture at all, but believe that they do. No offense
Also, I don't see how because Christians claim and attempt to represent themselves to have great moral character have anything to do with the
validity of their claims.
[edit on 28-2-2008 by italkyoulisten]