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Rihanna Umbrella is this song masonic or somehting?
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"i think even mentioning that you are involved in the world as a "free mason" or "mason" in itself is freaky!! Havent any of you guys ever heard
of the Bohemian Grove?"
*****Its all in the same group. The high level Masons, 33rd degree and Scottish rite are involved. The vatican and Zionist jews hide the conspirators. Bohemian Grove in Calf is where they have fun and "play" hide the sausage if you know what I mean.
"Its a whole other cult that the major powerful people in the world dont even want you worrying about. Look it up and educate yourselves because the day is going to come when we are all going to look to these people for help, and they are going to be behind the whole thing!!"
*****They are orchestrators of this conspiracy and evil to the core. Many are also invited, but have misgivings about the Bohemian Grove but play along due to the "belonging" to the club so to speak.
"I think that rhianna worships the devil, if you play her track backwards you can hear it! Same with Jay-z. These people are part of a cult that will soon try to take over the world, sacrificing poor innocint babies to a stone owl. BE WARNED AND GOD BLESS US ALL!!!!!!!"
****They will take over the whole world for only a short period of time. THey are called the Illuminati and the black nobility, the same. They are doomed and they don't even know it.
*****Its all in the same group. The high level Masons, 33rd degree and Scottish rite are involved. The vatican and Zionist jews hide the conspirators. Bohemian Grove in Calf is where they have fun and "play" hide the sausage if you know what I mean.
"Its a whole other cult that the major powerful people in the world dont even want you worrying about. Look it up and educate yourselves because the day is going to come when we are all going to look to these people for help, and they are going to be behind the whole thing!!"
*****They are orchestrators of this conspiracy and evil to the core. Many are also invited, but have misgivings about the Bohemian Grove but play along due to the "belonging" to the club so to speak.
"I think that rhianna worships the devil, if you play her track backwards you can hear it! Same with Jay-z. These people are part of a cult that will soon try to take over the world, sacrificing poor innocint babies to a stone owl. BE WARNED AND GOD BLESS US ALL!!!!!!!"
****They will take over the whole world for only a short period of time. THey are called the Illuminati and the black nobility, the same. They are doomed and they don't even know it.
Originally posted by tgambill
*****Its all in the same group. The high level Masons, 33rd degree and Scottish rite are involved. The vatican and Zionist jews hide the conspirators. Bohemian Grove in Calf is where they have fun and "play" hide the sausage if you know what I mean.
This is completely made up. There is no relation to freemasonry to any group which conspiracy theorists like to pounce on. The Vatican in fact has denounced freemasonry. The Bohemeian Grove has nothing to do with freemasonry.
There are no "high level masons." The 33rd degree is a honorary degree given to people who do a lot of service in the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite is a SIDE ORDER. SIDE, its not a hierarchy.
Originally posted by tgambill
*****They are orchestrators of this conspiracy and evil to the core. Many are also invited, but have misgivings about the Bohemian Grove but play along due to the "belonging" to the club so to speak.
No, they are not. You want to pin an entire group of millions of people dedicated to improving their community as "evil" because you seek to explain your world in simple terms - the complex confuses you. There is no connection between freemasonry and the Bohemian Grove.
Originally posted by tgambill
****They will take over the whole world for only a short period of time. THey are called the Illuminati and the black nobility, the same. They are doomed and they don't even know it.
The Illuminati is dead and does not exist anymore.
"This is completely made up. There is no relation to freemasonry to any group which conspiracy theorists like to pounce on. The Vatican in fact has
denounced freemasonry. The Bohemeian Grove has nothing to do with freemasonry."
******Bohemian Grove is where the Bankers, elites and players in this conspiracy go to play. It happens that they are Masons for the most part, not all, but most are. Bohemian Grove is not a mason project, but most all are Masons that attend.
"There are no "high level masons." The 33rd degree is a honorary degree given to people who do a lot of service in the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite is a SIDE ORDER. SIDE, its not a hierarchy."
*******I'm not going to hold you responsible as you may not actually be aware of the true heirachy and strategy of this secret society within the secret society. A beginner in the masons are quizzed as to their link to Christianity and their belief in the Bible. If they are Bible believers they are put in the York Rite. If they have little or no Christian belief they are put into the Scottish Rite. Now, once the "Worshipable Master" has locked in to the new recruit they wien him away from the Bible over a period of time and very skillfully. Prior to this they feign an interest in the Bible and appear to use it. When they have been weined away, or show promise to the order they are put into the Scottish rite and start moving up. Once they are put in good positions, or can be used, they are invited to be 33rd degree, Scottish rite, some in time and others in " Blue light Specials" over the weekend like the Pope......... oh yes. he is one. If they are brought into the Illuminati or Knights Templar they are in the conspiracy. They will murder a person literally if they leave and start spilling their guts due to getting a case of Conscious. The higher level master Masons, are taught the secrets of the Illuminated ones, that are to work the dark arts, rituals of supernatural linking etc.........Satanic knowledge.
"No, they are not. You want to pin an entire group of millions of people dedicated to improving their community as "evil" because you seek to explain your world in simple terms"
******It is made complex. 90% + of the Masons are good people dedicated to improving themselves and their community as you say. However the illuminati has infiltrated the ranks of the Masons since December 1782, at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad, officially. Now, they are evil, but not the regular Masons.
"The Illuminati is dead and does not exist anymore."
lol.....The Illuminati is in no way dead. I know one who is a friend that asked me to join, but respects my declining the invitation. The Illuminati is made up of 13 families. Google the 13 Illuminati Families, [Rothschilds, DuPonts, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Astors, Bundy, Li's, Collins, Onassas, Freeman, Reynolds, Van Duyn, and Merovingians or Diana's misplaced Royal Family what murdered her. Disney, Krupp and McDonalds are inter connected famlies. These families are very much alive even though the Astors were killed in the Titanic. I'm not sure about their bloodllines.
The Masons and their major role in this conspiracy goes back to Nimrod and even before. They believe in the ancient knowledge that comes from Lucifer and its evil to the core. The way they keep lower level masons interested and pulled in is the constant brotherhood, initiation and blood oaths, and the carrot of yet learning another secret at each level.
You are probably a good person, and really no way would you know about this higher level events yet. I've investigated this in ways you would not believe for a long time. there are links with the supernatural and secrets that only the Illuminated ones know. Jesus was not a Master Mason by no stretch........they are lying to you. FM goes back to Nimrod and even before. The Mormons are closely linked to the Masons, as Joseph Smith took many of the rituals for this Mormon cult. there are degrees higher than the publically known 33 degrees.
Here comes the curve ball. The next incident that the Illuminati will orchestrate to finalize the one world government, will start a chain of events that many of us already know about. A national disaster will be declared, a crime wave, civil war and "justified" martial law will be declared. The UN and Russian Troops are already in place, with the Chinese and N. Koreans in Mexico, US, South America, Cuba, Canada and Alaska. The Illegal Mexicans have already been groomed to start the civil war with the carrot being getting "their" land back, but this is a lie. The masons will split when they learn the truth of the World Order that is soon getting ready to ramp up the agenda. They will split in much the same way when the Masons Murdered Capt. Morgan in 1826.
No, the Illuminati, the Black Nobility, the inter-dimensional beings that are linked with ritual and "Ilumination", are real and exist now.
******Bohemian Grove is where the Bankers, elites and players in this conspiracy go to play. It happens that they are Masons for the most part, not all, but most are. Bohemian Grove is not a mason project, but most all are Masons that attend.
"There are no "high level masons." The 33rd degree is a honorary degree given to people who do a lot of service in the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite is a SIDE ORDER. SIDE, its not a hierarchy."
*******I'm not going to hold you responsible as you may not actually be aware of the true heirachy and strategy of this secret society within the secret society. A beginner in the masons are quizzed as to their link to Christianity and their belief in the Bible. If they are Bible believers they are put in the York Rite. If they have little or no Christian belief they are put into the Scottish Rite. Now, once the "Worshipable Master" has locked in to the new recruit they wien him away from the Bible over a period of time and very skillfully. Prior to this they feign an interest in the Bible and appear to use it. When they have been weined away, or show promise to the order they are put into the Scottish rite and start moving up. Once they are put in good positions, or can be used, they are invited to be 33rd degree, Scottish rite, some in time and others in " Blue light Specials" over the weekend like the Pope......... oh yes. he is one. If they are brought into the Illuminati or Knights Templar they are in the conspiracy. They will murder a person literally if they leave and start spilling their guts due to getting a case of Conscious. The higher level master Masons, are taught the secrets of the Illuminated ones, that are to work the dark arts, rituals of supernatural linking etc.........Satanic knowledge.
"No, they are not. You want to pin an entire group of millions of people dedicated to improving their community as "evil" because you seek to explain your world in simple terms"
******It is made complex. 90% + of the Masons are good people dedicated to improving themselves and their community as you say. However the illuminati has infiltrated the ranks of the Masons since December 1782, at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad, officially. Now, they are evil, but not the regular Masons.
"The Illuminati is dead and does not exist anymore."
lol.....The Illuminati is in no way dead. I know one who is a friend that asked me to join, but respects my declining the invitation. The Illuminati is made up of 13 families. Google the 13 Illuminati Families, [Rothschilds, DuPonts, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Astors, Bundy, Li's, Collins, Onassas, Freeman, Reynolds, Van Duyn, and Merovingians or Diana's misplaced Royal Family what murdered her. Disney, Krupp and McDonalds are inter connected famlies. These families are very much alive even though the Astors were killed in the Titanic. I'm not sure about their bloodllines.
The Masons and their major role in this conspiracy goes back to Nimrod and even before. They believe in the ancient knowledge that comes from Lucifer and its evil to the core. The way they keep lower level masons interested and pulled in is the constant brotherhood, initiation and blood oaths, and the carrot of yet learning another secret at each level.
You are probably a good person, and really no way would you know about this higher level events yet. I've investigated this in ways you would not believe for a long time. there are links with the supernatural and secrets that only the Illuminated ones know. Jesus was not a Master Mason by no stretch........they are lying to you. FM goes back to Nimrod and even before. The Mormons are closely linked to the Masons, as Joseph Smith took many of the rituals for this Mormon cult. there are degrees higher than the publically known 33 degrees.
Here comes the curve ball. The next incident that the Illuminati will orchestrate to finalize the one world government, will start a chain of events that many of us already know about. A national disaster will be declared, a crime wave, civil war and "justified" martial law will be declared. The UN and Russian Troops are already in place, with the Chinese and N. Koreans in Mexico, US, South America, Cuba, Canada and Alaska. The Illegal Mexicans have already been groomed to start the civil war with the carrot being getting "their" land back, but this is a lie. The masons will split when they learn the truth of the World Order that is soon getting ready to ramp up the agenda. They will split in much the same way when the Masons Murdered Capt. Morgan in 1826.
No, the Illuminati, the Black Nobility, the inter-dimensional beings that are linked with ritual and "Ilumination", are real and exist now.
This is the truth. The dates might be extended before they let the dominos fall.
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Originally posted by tgambill
******Bohemian Grove is where the Bankers, elites and players in this conspiracy go to play. It happens that they are Masons for the most part, not all, but most are. Bohemian Grove is not a mason project, but most all are Masons that attend.
Completely false. Name 3 "bankers, elites, and players" who are masons and Bohemian Grove members. Give their lodge number. As freemasonry widely advertises any famous members it has, this should be a piece of cake - were it true. But of course, its not true.
Originally posted by tgambill
*******I'm not going to hold you responsible as you may not actually be aware of the true heirachy and strategy of this secret society within the secret society. A beginner in the masons are quizzed as to their link to Christianity and their belief in the Bible. If they are Bible believers they are put in the York Rite. If they have little or no Christian belief they are put into the Scottish Rite.
I'd hold you to be responsible for doing research about this before you spout such myths but unfortunately you clearly have not done any. You are wrong. Again.
I am a Scottish Rite freemason and I am a Christian and believe in the Bible. At no point was I quizzed about my belief in God. In fact, no freemason ever has been. Its a personal issue - all that is required is one believe in a Supreme Being. Anything beyond that is up to the individual mason. People freely join either side order or none. I have met plenty of Non-Christians in the York Rite, and plenty of Christians in the Scottish Rite.
I always find it absolutely hilarious that someone like you - who is not a mason - somehow knows the "real" secret hierarchy that no actual freemason knows about. There is a reason why this is so ironic - because such a hierarchy doesn't exist.
Originally posted by tgambill
Now, once the "Worshipable Master" has locked in to the new recruit they wien him away from the Bible over a period of time and very skillfully. Prior to this they feign an interest in the Bible and appear to use it. When they have been weined away, or show promise to the order they are put into the Scottish rite and start moving up.
Another total fabrication. The "worshipful master" is leader of the blue lodge and has ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY over any side order. The master of my lodge had no influence over my decision to join the Scottish Rite. And as a Scottish Rite mason, I am reading the bible more than I ever have before in my life.
There is no ranking in freemasonry, and no amount of made up ranks by you is going to change that. The Scottish Rite is ONE side order that people like you obsess with because you have a thing for high numbers.
Originally posted by tgambill
Once they are put in good positions, or can be used, they are invited to be 33rd degree, Scottish rite, some in time and others in " Blue light Specials" over the weekend like the Pope......... oh yes. he is one. If they are brought into the Illuminati or Knights Templar they are in the conspiracy. They will murder a person literally if they leave and start spilling their guts due to getting a case of Conscious. The higher level master Masons, are taught the secrets of the Illuminated ones, that are to work the dark arts, rituals of supernatural linking etc.........Satanic knowledge.
Wrong again. Not only is the Pope not a 33rd degree Scottish Rite mason, but the Popes have again and again condemned all of freemasonry and forbid anyone in the Catholic church from joining it.
The 33rd degree is simply a honor. It confers no rank or authority. There is no ranking of any kind beyond the 3rd degree, no matter how much you want to create one.
Originally posted by tgambill
******It is made complex. 90% + of the Masons are good people dedicated to improving themselves and their community as you say. However the illuminati has infiltrated the ranks of the Masons since December 1782, at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad, officially. Now, they are evil, but not the regular Masons.
You are incapable of understanding the complex world in which we live in. You choose, instead, to paint whole groups as evil to suit your purpose to make them fit your little imaginery conspiracy. The Illuminati tried - and completed failed - to infiltrate freemasonry. The Bavarian Illuminati is now dead.
There is no "regular mason". Just mason.
Originally posted by tgambill
lol.....The Illuminati is in no way dead. I know one who is a friend that asked me to join, but respects my declining the invitation. The Illuminati is made up of 13 families. Google the 13 Illuminati Families, [Rothschilds, DuPonts, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Astors, Bundy, Li's, Collins, Onassas, Freeman, Reynolds, Van Duyn, and Merovingians or Diana's misplaced Royal Family what murdered her. Disney, Krupp and McDonalds are inter connected famlies. These families are very much alive even though the Astors were killed in the Titanic. I'm not sure about their bloodllines.
You are showing your supreme gullibility. All sorts of fake groups pop up claiming to be the Illuminati and ask anyone to join..for a fee. The Illuminati is dead. It no longer exists. It is simply something you have created to fuel the conspiracy you wish to believe in. You bought into the conspiracy related hatred of corporations and so immediately think any successful business owned by someone must be a member of the Illuminati. Wrong.
Originally posted by tgambill
The Masons and their major role in this conspiracy goes back to Nimrod and even before. They believe in the ancient knowledge that comes from Lucifer and its evil to the core. The way they keep lower level masons interested and pulled in is the constant brotherhood, initiation and blood oaths, and the carrot of yet learning another secret at each level.
Again, you are showing you have no idea what you are talking about and have failed to do even the most basic research. Freemasonry started in the 14th century. There is no relation to Lucifer, and Lucifer itself isn't anything more than the name of a king in Psalms. There are no low level mason, or high level masons. The highest degree is the 3rd degree.
Originally posted by tgambill
You are probably a good person, and really no way would you know about this higher level events yet. I've investigated this in ways you would not believe for a long time. there are links with the supernatural and secrets that only the Illuminated ones know. Jesus was not a Master Mason by no stretch........they are lying to you. FM goes back to Nimrod and even before. The Mormons are closely linked to the Masons, as Joseph Smith took many of the rituals for this Mormon cult. there are degrees higher than the publically known 33 degrees.
You are probably a good person, and yet you somehow know about these high level masons no mason has ever heard of. Like most conspiracy theorists, you are chasing shadows of a evil you want to believe in stead of doing the real research. Only a small number of conspiracy theorists actually know the truth - the bottom rings - people like you, have no idea of the truth that the top of the conspiracy pyramid knows about.
You have clearly not investigated anything except read every conspiracy website you could and amalgamated everything into one large conspiracy. There are no illuminated ones. No one claims Jesus is a master mason. There is no higher degree than the 3rd. And there is no hierarchy.
Originally posted by tgambill
Here comes the curve ball. The next incident that the Illuminati will orchestrate to finalize the one world government, will start a chain of events that many of us already know about. A national disaster will be declared, a crime wave, civil war and "justified" martial law will be declared. The UN and Russian Troops are already in place, with the Chinese and N. Koreans in Mexico, US, South America, Cuba, Canada and Alaska. The Illegal Mexicans have already been groomed to start the civil war with the carrot being getting "their" land back, but this is a lie. The masons will split when they learn the truth of the World Order that is soon getting ready to ramp up the agenda. They will split in much the same way when the Masons Murdered Capt. Morgan in 1826.
More lies - there is no evidence that William Morgan was murdered by anyone, especially the masons. Everything else in this quote is pure conspiracy fantasy.
Originally posted by tgambill
No, the Illuminati, the Black Nobility, the inter-dimensional beings that are linked with ritual and "Ilumination", are real and exist now.
There is no illuminati or black nobility. Those are groups conspiracy theorists like you have created in order to create a easy to understand world where you can pin everything on the "arch evil" character.
However, when you spread lies about masons you are talking about real people. Believe in whatever imaginary groups you want to, but stop slandering real people.
Originally posted by tgambill
This is the truth. The dates might be extended before they let the dominos fall.
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Right - because youtube videos are the epitome of all truth.
No wonder you believe in so much that is a lie - your "research" is watching youtube videos that tell you what you already want to believe!
Uh, so you really want to hear about it, I'll give you a small list of references........)
Its always easy to recognize someone that is in denial, no disrespect intended, as we all have been. You might want to research this yourself as the evidence is overwhelming.
1928 - What benefits did I.G. Farben have to give the Nazi Party? Just to name a few, besides a laundry list of other war supplies, Zyklon B, the gas used by Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Agfa, lduwigshafen, Buchenwald, Hoechst and a few others. These boys also produced Chlorine gas used during WWI. Remember Henry Ford. I found out that he merged his German assets with those of Farben. Quote: “Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and WWII.” (Historian Anthony Sutton; “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”, 76 Press, Seal Beach , Ca. 1976; page 33).
J. P. Morgan created artificial panic used as excuse to pass Federal Reserve Act Morgan was instrumental in pushing U. S. into WWI to protect his loans to British government. He financed Socialist groups to create an all-powerful centralized government which international bankers would control at the apex from behind the scenes. After his death, his partners helped finance the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia .
And, curiously enough, the Federal Reserve System has never been audited and has firmly resisted all attempts by House Banking Committee Chairman Wright Patman to have it audited. (N. Y. Times, Sept.14, 1967.)
When the Federal Reserve System was foisted on an unsuspecting American public, there were absolute guarantees that there would be no more boom and bust economic cycles. The men who, behind the scenes, were pushing the central bank concept for the international bankers faithfully promised that from then on there would be only steady growth and perpetual prosperity. However, Congressman Charies A. Lindberg Sr. accurately proclaimed:
"From now on depressions will be scientifically created."
Using a central bank to create alternate periods of inflation and deflation, and thus whipsawing the public for vast profits, had been worked out by the international bankers to an exact science.
21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law.
Same letter by FDR 1933 - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House; "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
1933 – Quoted in his second Cabinet meeting that he (FDR), was not interested in staying out of the war, but rather wanted to devise a way for American to get into another war, “Mr. Farley wrote that at the second cabinet meeting in 1933, “The new President again turned to the possibility of war with Japan.” [Farley, James, The Roosevelt Years, NY, McGraw-Hill Books, 1948, P 39. Cabinet Member James Farley.]
these are all facts and documented...in many cases by unbiased historians. If you love this country, and truth as God has ordained for us beyond the desires of man, please......take note of this whether we would meet of not.
Below are a few of the books, and few, is any are cross referenced, but come with their own sources, and several are rare....I've got them. .....they all say the same thing and actually complement each other.......Paul, the info that I put out is not based on opinion Its all backed up by research and confirmed historical records, interviews, documentation, and no longer a trust of personal opinion......we have been lied to from the day the first history book was ever written. Its all centralized and under the control of 13 families, counsel of the 33, Committee of the 300, Bliderbergers, and the central organization, in the U.S. is the "invite only" groups in the CFR. This is only the US. I haven't even touched the organizations in Europe........
Let the congressmen tell you....
President Einsenhower warned Americans before he left office
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JFK short and long version indicating Karl Marx, and the US Government media control and the secrecy in our own government, this got him killed. He included both communist and our own government.
Short summary version
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Long version
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Congressman McDonald
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Congressman Norman Dodd
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Oliver North put on the spot
www.youtube.com...
Stan Jones
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Peter DeFazio
www.youtube.com...
Rep Tim Ryan tells it like it is
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Brad Sherman
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Stop the NAU
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Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto - Emanuel M. Josephson, 1955
World Revolution – Nesta Webster, (Mrs. Authur Webster), Boston; Small, Maynard, Company Publishers, 1921.
World Revolution – The Plot Against Civilization; Nesta Webster; Edited and brought up to date by Anthony Gittens, 1994.
The Secret Destiny of America – by Manly Palmer Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 3341 Griffith Park Boulevard, LA, 27, Calif. 1944
The Red Fog Over America - Cmdr. William G. Carr, 1955
New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, by William T. Still, Huntington House Publishers, 1990.
Pawns in The Game - Cmdr William G. Carr, 1958, 2007
yamaguchy.netfirms.com...
www.gnosticliberationfront.com...
The Rockfeller File - Gary Allen, 1976
www.mega.nu:8080...
Proofs of a Conspiracy - John Robison, 1798
www.sacred-texts.com...
None Dare Call it Conspiracy, Gary Allen, 1976
reactor-core.org...
Enroute to Global Occupation - Gary H. Kah, 1991
Here’s The Proof: by Robert Concoby & David Nicol, 1994
Globalism: America's Demise - William M. Bowen, JR. 1984
Wall Street And the Bolshevik Revolution - Anthony Sutton, 1974
reformed-theology.org...
Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, Anthony Sutton,
reformed-theology.org...
Interview of Sutton
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The New Dark Age
www.geocities.com...
Morals and Dogma - ALBERT PIKE, 1871
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...
Freemasons evil cult
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New Age Movement
www.spiritualrealist.com...
The Hidden Dangers of The Rainbow: The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism - Constance Cumbey, 1983
The Earth Charter, Initiative
www.earthcharter.org...
Iron Mountain Report
www.mega.nu:8080...
“Report From Iron Mountain, On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace”: by Leonard C. Lewin; The Free Press, 1996.
March 4, 1939 - Quote from a report of the secret committee by President Roosevelt,;
“I am making no concessions to business, or for relief. I have a military machine sufficient to stop any organized revolt. I am putting MY PEOPLE ahead of all instruments. I’ll have had a full understanding with Chamberlain, and we will destroy this unemployed condition with a WAR, and a WAR only. To Hell with the American people, as far as a Democracy is concerned. It does not exist. It never did, and we will never let it happen that way. I am going to crush business, infest America with all the aliens possible, and in the last analysis, declare Martial Law, and confiscate everything I need for a true and forceful Dictatorship. My New Deal is a failure, and I know it, but no one else will tell me that I must discontinue my present activities, and program.” From the Secret Audience with the Military Appropriation Committee; The Ways and Means Committee; The Special War Finance Committee; and this copy was presented to me by mail through Senator Lundeen.” “The Red Fog Over America” by William Guy Carr, 1955.
In 1841 Clinton Roosevelt published in America “The Science of Government Founded on Natural Laws”, This was nothing more than a plagiarized version of the teachings of Professor Adam Weishaupt of Frankfort University, Germany, the renegade Jesuit priest who arranged for the agenteur of the Illuminati to infiltrate into French Freemasonary in 1776 so “The Secret Power” which directed the World Revolutionary Movement, and the Conspiracy of Satan, at that time could use Freemasonsary to further their secret plans and ambitious and at the same time cloak their diabolitical purpose.
The fact that FDR’s New Deal, his NRA, and other political policies and economic devices fitted perfectly into the “Long Range Plans”, of the Illuminati proved the continuity of the conspiracy from 1841 to 1945. It has been explained that Roosevelt made known his secret plans to establish a dictatorship in American in March 1939 when he gave a secret audience to some of his governments special committee. It has also been mentioned that Roosevelt was kept a virtual prisoner from after Yalta until his death presumably to prevent him telling the truth in the event his conscience troubled him when he realized that he was about to meet his maker.
Congressman McDonald
video.google.com...
Stan Jones
www.youtube.com...
Oliver North put on the spot
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Norman Dodd
www.youtube.com...
Stop the NAU
www.youtube.com...
Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto - Emanuel M. Josephson, 1955
World Revolution – Nesta Webster, (Mrs. Authur Webster), Boston; Small, Maynard, Company Publishers, 1921.
World Revolution – The Plot Against Civilization; Nesta Webster; Edited and brought up to date by Anthony Gittens, 1994.
The Secret Destiny of America – by Manly Palmer Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 3341 Griffith Park Boulevard, LA, 27, Calif. 1944
The Red Fog Over America - Cmdr. William G. Carr, 1955
New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, by William T. Still, Huntington House Publishers, 1990.
Pawns in The Game - Cmdr William G. Carr, 1958, 2007
yamaguchy.netfirms.com...
www.gnosticliberationfront.com...
The Rockfeller File - Gary Allen, 1976
www.mega.nu:8080...
Proofs of a Conspiracy - John Robison, 1798
www.sacred-texts.com...
None Dare Call it Conspiracy, Gary Allen, 1976
reactor-core.org...
Enroute to Global Occupation - Gary H. Kah, 1991
Here’s The Proof: by Robert Concoby & David Nicol, 1994
Globalism: America's Demise - William M. Bowen, JR. 1984
Wall Street And the Bolshevik Revolution - Anthony Sutton, 1974
reformed-theology.org...
Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, Anthony Sutton,
reformed-theology.org...
Interview of Sutton
video.google.com...
The New Dark Age
www.geocities.com...
Morals and Dogma - ALBERT PIKE, 1871
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...
New Age Movement
www.spiritualrealist.com...
The Hidden Dangers of The Rainbow: The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism - Constance Cumbey, 1983
The Earth Charter, Initiative
www.earthcharter.org...
Its always easy to recognize someone that is in denial, no disrespect intended, as we all have been. You might want to research this yourself as the evidence is overwhelming.
1928 - What benefits did I.G. Farben have to give the Nazi Party? Just to name a few, besides a laundry list of other war supplies, Zyklon B, the gas used by Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Agfa, lduwigshafen, Buchenwald, Hoechst and a few others. These boys also produced Chlorine gas used during WWI. Remember Henry Ford. I found out that he merged his German assets with those of Farben. Quote: “Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and WWII.” (Historian Anthony Sutton; “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”, 76 Press, Seal Beach , Ca. 1976; page 33).
J. P. Morgan created artificial panic used as excuse to pass Federal Reserve Act Morgan was instrumental in pushing U. S. into WWI to protect his loans to British government. He financed Socialist groups to create an all-powerful centralized government which international bankers would control at the apex from behind the scenes. After his death, his partners helped finance the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia .
And, curiously enough, the Federal Reserve System has never been audited and has firmly resisted all attempts by House Banking Committee Chairman Wright Patman to have it audited. (N. Y. Times, Sept.14, 1967.)
When the Federal Reserve System was foisted on an unsuspecting American public, there were absolute guarantees that there would be no more boom and bust economic cycles. The men who, behind the scenes, were pushing the central bank concept for the international bankers faithfully promised that from then on there would be only steady growth and perpetual prosperity. However, Congressman Charies A. Lindberg Sr. accurately proclaimed:
"From now on depressions will be scientifically created."
Using a central bank to create alternate periods of inflation and deflation, and thus whipsawing the public for vast profits, had been worked out by the international bankers to an exact science.
21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law.
Same letter by FDR 1933 - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House; "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
1933 – Quoted in his second Cabinet meeting that he (FDR), was not interested in staying out of the war, but rather wanted to devise a way for American to get into another war, “Mr. Farley wrote that at the second cabinet meeting in 1933, “The new President again turned to the possibility of war with Japan.” [Farley, James, The Roosevelt Years, NY, McGraw-Hill Books, 1948, P 39. Cabinet Member James Farley.]
these are all facts and documented...in many cases by unbiased historians. If you love this country, and truth as God has ordained for us beyond the desires of man, please......take note of this whether we would meet of not.
Below are a few of the books, and few, is any are cross referenced, but come with their own sources, and several are rare....I've got them. .....they all say the same thing and actually complement each other.......Paul, the info that I put out is not based on opinion Its all backed up by research and confirmed historical records, interviews, documentation, and no longer a trust of personal opinion......we have been lied to from the day the first history book was ever written. Its all centralized and under the control of 13 families, counsel of the 33, Committee of the 300, Bliderbergers, and the central organization, in the U.S. is the "invite only" groups in the CFR. This is only the US. I haven't even touched the organizations in Europe........
Let the congressmen tell you....
President Einsenhower warned Americans before he left office
www.youtube.com...
JFK short and long version indicating Karl Marx, and the US Government media control and the secrecy in our own government, this got him killed. He included both communist and our own government.
Short summary version
www.youtube.com...
Long version
video.google.com...
Congressman McDonald
video.google.com...
Congressman Norman Dodd
www.youtube.com...
Oliver North put on the spot
www.youtube.com...
Stan Jones
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Peter DeFazio
www.youtube.com...
Rep Tim Ryan tells it like it is
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Brad Sherman
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
Stop the NAU
www.youtube.com...
Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto - Emanuel M. Josephson, 1955
World Revolution – Nesta Webster, (Mrs. Authur Webster), Boston; Small, Maynard, Company Publishers, 1921.
World Revolution – The Plot Against Civilization; Nesta Webster; Edited and brought up to date by Anthony Gittens, 1994.
The Secret Destiny of America – by Manly Palmer Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 3341 Griffith Park Boulevard, LA, 27, Calif. 1944
The Red Fog Over America - Cmdr. William G. Carr, 1955
New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, by William T. Still, Huntington House Publishers, 1990.
Pawns in The Game - Cmdr William G. Carr, 1958, 2007
yamaguchy.netfirms.com...
www.gnosticliberationfront.com...
The Rockfeller File - Gary Allen, 1976
www.mega.nu:8080...
Proofs of a Conspiracy - John Robison, 1798
www.sacred-texts.com...
None Dare Call it Conspiracy, Gary Allen, 1976
reactor-core.org...
Enroute to Global Occupation - Gary H. Kah, 1991
Here’s The Proof: by Robert Concoby & David Nicol, 1994
Globalism: America's Demise - William M. Bowen, JR. 1984
Wall Street And the Bolshevik Revolution - Anthony Sutton, 1974
reformed-theology.org...
Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, Anthony Sutton,
reformed-theology.org...
Interview of Sutton
video.google.com...
The New Dark Age
www.geocities.com...
Morals and Dogma - ALBERT PIKE, 1871
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...
Freemasons evil cult
www.youtube.com...
New Age Movement
www.spiritualrealist.com...
The Hidden Dangers of The Rainbow: The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism - Constance Cumbey, 1983
The Earth Charter, Initiative
www.earthcharter.org...
Iron Mountain Report
www.mega.nu:8080...
“Report From Iron Mountain, On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace”: by Leonard C. Lewin; The Free Press, 1996.
March 4, 1939 - Quote from a report of the secret committee by President Roosevelt,;
“I am making no concessions to business, or for relief. I have a military machine sufficient to stop any organized revolt. I am putting MY PEOPLE ahead of all instruments. I’ll have had a full understanding with Chamberlain, and we will destroy this unemployed condition with a WAR, and a WAR only. To Hell with the American people, as far as a Democracy is concerned. It does not exist. It never did, and we will never let it happen that way. I am going to crush business, infest America with all the aliens possible, and in the last analysis, declare Martial Law, and confiscate everything I need for a true and forceful Dictatorship. My New Deal is a failure, and I know it, but no one else will tell me that I must discontinue my present activities, and program.” From the Secret Audience with the Military Appropriation Committee; The Ways and Means Committee; The Special War Finance Committee; and this copy was presented to me by mail through Senator Lundeen.” “The Red Fog Over America” by William Guy Carr, 1955.
In 1841 Clinton Roosevelt published in America “The Science of Government Founded on Natural Laws”, This was nothing more than a plagiarized version of the teachings of Professor Adam Weishaupt of Frankfort University, Germany, the renegade Jesuit priest who arranged for the agenteur of the Illuminati to infiltrate into French Freemasonary in 1776 so “The Secret Power” which directed the World Revolutionary Movement, and the Conspiracy of Satan, at that time could use Freemasonsary to further their secret plans and ambitious and at the same time cloak their diabolitical purpose.
The fact that FDR’s New Deal, his NRA, and other political policies and economic devices fitted perfectly into the “Long Range Plans”, of the Illuminati proved the continuity of the conspiracy from 1841 to 1945. It has been explained that Roosevelt made known his secret plans to establish a dictatorship in American in March 1939 when he gave a secret audience to some of his governments special committee. It has also been mentioned that Roosevelt was kept a virtual prisoner from after Yalta until his death presumably to prevent him telling the truth in the event his conscience troubled him when he realized that he was about to meet his maker.
Congressman McDonald
video.google.com...
Stan Jones
www.youtube.com...
Oliver North put on the spot
www.youtube.com...
Congressman Norman Dodd
www.youtube.com...
Stop the NAU
www.youtube.com...
Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto - Emanuel M. Josephson, 1955
World Revolution – Nesta Webster, (Mrs. Authur Webster), Boston; Small, Maynard, Company Publishers, 1921.
World Revolution – The Plot Against Civilization; Nesta Webster; Edited and brought up to date by Anthony Gittens, 1994.
The Secret Destiny of America – by Manly Palmer Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 3341 Griffith Park Boulevard, LA, 27, Calif. 1944
The Red Fog Over America - Cmdr. William G. Carr, 1955
New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, by William T. Still, Huntington House Publishers, 1990.
Pawns in The Game - Cmdr William G. Carr, 1958, 2007
yamaguchy.netfirms.com...
www.gnosticliberationfront.com...
The Rockfeller File - Gary Allen, 1976
www.mega.nu:8080...
Proofs of a Conspiracy - John Robison, 1798
www.sacred-texts.com...
None Dare Call it Conspiracy, Gary Allen, 1976
reactor-core.org...
Enroute to Global Occupation - Gary H. Kah, 1991
Here’s The Proof: by Robert Concoby & David Nicol, 1994
Globalism: America's Demise - William M. Bowen, JR. 1984
Wall Street And the Bolshevik Revolution - Anthony Sutton, 1974
reformed-theology.org...
Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, Anthony Sutton,
reformed-theology.org...
Interview of Sutton
video.google.com...
The New Dark Age
www.geocities.com...
Morals and Dogma - ALBERT PIKE, 1871
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...
New Age Movement
www.spiritualrealist.com...
The Hidden Dangers of The Rainbow: The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism - Constance Cumbey, 1983
The Earth Charter, Initiative
www.earthcharter.org...
lol.......Didn't think I had the research did you? You can deny all you want but the people that want to find out will now research my sources
and find out otherwise that my claims are true. Its a tell tale sign that you denied all that I wrote and this is a sign of being a shill.
The retorts you gave, a 10 year old can research and find out most of what you wrote is wrong. The European Masons are of a higher degree and the US Masons are to some extent out of the loop. You might actually believe most of what you wrote but I would suggest more research as what you wrote is not correct.
How many Americans do you know outside of the Masons know that the hand across the throat is a Masonic sign for Joy or Exultation is given by raising both arms above the head, with the palms facing each other......yes, a touchdown!!! imagine that. Master Mason Third degree.
degrees...........don't even try. Read Darkness Visible by Walton Hannah.
www.masoniclight.org...
[edit on 6-1-2009 by tgambill]
The retorts you gave, a 10 year old can research and find out most of what you wrote is wrong. The European Masons are of a higher degree and the US Masons are to some extent out of the loop. You might actually believe most of what you wrote but I would suggest more research as what you wrote is not correct.
How many Americans do you know outside of the Masons know that the hand across the throat is a Masonic sign for Joy or Exultation is given by raising both arms above the head, with the palms facing each other......yes, a touchdown!!! imagine that. Master Mason Third degree.
degrees...........don't even try. Read Darkness Visible by Walton Hannah.
www.masoniclight.org...
[edit on 6-1-2009 by tgambill]
Originally posted by tgambill
lol.......Didn't think I had the research did you?
Nope, I didn't - and I was quite correct. You have no research. Thanks for the laugh though. What you DO have is a bunch of youtube links that you got off conspiracy sites. Not research. Conspiracy propaganda. I await for you to cite real references, and not fiction. I was expecting so much more from you - is this the best you have to offer? How disappointing!
Originally posted by tgambill
You can deny all you want but the people that want to find out will now research my sources and find out otherwise that my claims are true. Its a tell tale sign that you denied all that I wrote and this is a sign of being a shill.
Actually, promoting reality makes me a truth seeker and you promotion of lies would make you a shill. I encourage EVERYONE to read through all that - any rational person will come to the exact same conclusions I have. You have provided absolutely nothing that refutes a single thing I said. Nice try though
Originally posted by tgambill
The retorts you gave, a 10 year old can research and find out most of what you wrote is wrong. The European Masons are of a higher degree and the US Masons are to some extent out of the loop. You might actually believe most of what you wrote but I would suggest more research as what you wrote is not correct.
That's the great thing about the truth - I am telling the truth, and you are spreading lies. Because the truth is so simple, any 10 year old can google what I've said and found it to be correct.
You have yet again demonstrated you have done no research. The Scottish Rite, which you drum up in your made up conspiracies, was started and FOUNDED in the United States. So a group that is primarily US based, which has the mystical high degrees that only you know about, is somehow the group in power, yet none of the high level masons are in the United States. Thanks for the laugh again.
Originally posted by tgambill
How many Americans do you know outside of the Masons know that the hand across the throat is a Masonic sign for Joy or Exultation is given by raising both arms above the head, with the palms facing each other......yes, a touchdown!!! imagine that. Master Mason Third degree.
I'd say no one outside of you because there is no "masonic sign fo joy or exultation" in freemasonry, and neither is there any sign with "rasing arms above the head and palms facing each other." Imagine that, you making more things up.
The sad fact is that you could read the Master Mason 3rd degree ritual and find out how wrong you are. Its on google. But you choose not to and instead to believe in the fanciful.
Originally posted by tgambill
degrees...........don't even try. Read Darkness Visible by Walton Hannah.
Yep, one of the best defenses of freemasonry available. Anyone who reads that kind of stuff and believes it after it has been debunked will believe anything. I can't tell you how many masons I've heard read that and join because they were convinced it couldn't be as wrong as she made it out to be.
By the way, thank you for showing that I am correct and you are wrong once again - the masoniclight link you quoted shows exactly what I've stated. Note that there is no mention of hierarchy, just lists of degrees.
I still await any evidence that negates even 1 point I've made. But you don't have any.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by LowLevelMason]
"Nope, I didn't - and I was quite correct. You have no research. Thanks for the laugh though."
*******) you people are such liars. lol.......you sit in your own Island and you are either gullible or you people have the philosophy of the Ends justify the means, which is ill advice and the advice of evil men.
"What you DO have is a bunch of youtube links that you got off conspiracy sites."
*******seriously wrong.......the research I sent you is slam dunk.
"Not research. Conspiracy propaganda. I await for you to cite real references, and not fiction."
******The Unified Conspiracy is a fact. I challenge you to refute any of it instead of these useless posts.
"I was expecting so much more from you - is this the best you have to offer? How disappointing!"
******) Ahhhhh, you'll get over it and eventually shill and distort elsewhere.
"Actually, promoting reality makes me a truth seeker and you promotion of lies would make you a shill. I encourage EVERYONE to read through all that - any rational person will come to the exact same conclusions I have. You have provided absolutely nothing that refutes a single thing I said. Nice try though "
*****Wrong again, the references are all linked and shadow over this like a term paper.
"That's the great thing about the truth - I am telling the truth, and you are spreading lies. Because the truth is so simple, any 10 year old can google what I've said and found it to be correct."
******Lies, challenge them and see for yourself.
"You have yet again demonstrated you have done no research. The Scottish Rite, which you drum up in your made up conspiracies, was started and FOUNDED in the United States."
*****Wrong..........and in the European royality.
"So a group that is primarily US based, which has the mystical high degrees that only you know about, is somehow the group in power, yet none of the high level masons are in the United States. Thanks for the laugh again.
****lots of people that study masons know about these. The High level masons are in Europe.
"I'd say no one outside of you because there is no "masonic sign fo joy or exultation" in freemasonry, and neither is there any sign with "rasing arms above the head and palms facing each other." Imagine that, you making more things up."
******lol....now I know that you are a LIAR, sorry to say. I have the proof in print.
The sad fact is that you could read the Master Mason 3rd degree ritual and find out how wrong you are. Its on google. But you choose not to and instead to believe in the fanciful.
quote" and weep.........
Hence Solomon decreed that those signs and the word should designate all master masons until time or circumstances should restore the genuine. The three killers were found and confessed their crime. The body was buried as near the holy of holies as would be allowed.
The initiate is then told of a further two signs. In addition to the signs of Horror, Sympathy and the Penal sign are the signs of Grief and distress and the sign of joy and Exultation. The sign of grief and distress involves passing the right hand over the forehead and extending the thumb in a square over the left eye, this mimicking Hiram Abiff wiping sweat from his forehead during the attack. It is explained to the initiate that in Scotland, Ireland and some states of America the sign is given in a slightly different manner along with the exclamation: ‘O Lord my God, O Lord my God, O Lord my God, is there no help for the widows son?’
The sign of Joy and exultation stems from the completion of the Temple, which being so struck by its magnificence in one spontaneous motion every one cried oh wonderful masons. The sign involves raising both hands above the head, palms facing each other.
Finally the worshipful master associates tools with various virtuous aspects.
www.geocities.com...
"By the way, thank you for showing that I am correct and you are wrong once again - the masoniclight link you quoted shows exactly what I've stated. Note that there is no mention of hierarchy, just lists of degrees."
*****Clearly a heirachy. You have demonstrated in light of the reservations, that you are nothing more than a shill................
*******) you people are such liars. lol.......you sit in your own Island and you are either gullible or you people have the philosophy of the Ends justify the means, which is ill advice and the advice of evil men.
"What you DO have is a bunch of youtube links that you got off conspiracy sites."
*******seriously wrong.......the research I sent you is slam dunk.
"Not research. Conspiracy propaganda. I await for you to cite real references, and not fiction."
******The Unified Conspiracy is a fact. I challenge you to refute any of it instead of these useless posts.
"I was expecting so much more from you - is this the best you have to offer? How disappointing!"
******) Ahhhhh, you'll get over it and eventually shill and distort elsewhere.
"Actually, promoting reality makes me a truth seeker and you promotion of lies would make you a shill. I encourage EVERYONE to read through all that - any rational person will come to the exact same conclusions I have. You have provided absolutely nothing that refutes a single thing I said. Nice try though "
*****Wrong again, the references are all linked and shadow over this like a term paper.
"That's the great thing about the truth - I am telling the truth, and you are spreading lies. Because the truth is so simple, any 10 year old can google what I've said and found it to be correct."
******Lies, challenge them and see for yourself.
"You have yet again demonstrated you have done no research. The Scottish Rite, which you drum up in your made up conspiracies, was started and FOUNDED in the United States."
*****Wrong..........and in the European royality.
"So a group that is primarily US based, which has the mystical high degrees that only you know about, is somehow the group in power, yet none of the high level masons are in the United States. Thanks for the laugh again.
****lots of people that study masons know about these. The High level masons are in Europe.
"I'd say no one outside of you because there is no "masonic sign fo joy or exultation" in freemasonry, and neither is there any sign with "rasing arms above the head and palms facing each other." Imagine that, you making more things up."
******lol....now I know that you are a LIAR, sorry to say. I have the proof in print.
The sad fact is that you could read the Master Mason 3rd degree ritual and find out how wrong you are. Its on google. But you choose not to and instead to believe in the fanciful.
quote" and weep.........
Hence Solomon decreed that those signs and the word should designate all master masons until time or circumstances should restore the genuine. The three killers were found and confessed their crime. The body was buried as near the holy of holies as would be allowed.
The initiate is then told of a further two signs. In addition to the signs of Horror, Sympathy and the Penal sign are the signs of Grief and distress and the sign of joy and Exultation. The sign of grief and distress involves passing the right hand over the forehead and extending the thumb in a square over the left eye, this mimicking Hiram Abiff wiping sweat from his forehead during the attack. It is explained to the initiate that in Scotland, Ireland and some states of America the sign is given in a slightly different manner along with the exclamation: ‘O Lord my God, O Lord my God, O Lord my God, is there no help for the widows son?’
The sign of Joy and exultation stems from the completion of the Temple, which being so struck by its magnificence in one spontaneous motion every one cried oh wonderful masons. The sign involves raising both hands above the head, palms facing each other.
Finally the worshipful master associates tools with various virtuous aspects.
www.geocities.com...
"By the way, thank you for showing that I am correct and you are wrong once again - the masoniclight link you quoted shows exactly what I've stated. Note that there is no mention of hierarchy, just lists of degrees."
*****Clearly a heirachy. You have demonstrated in light of the reservations, that you are nothing more than a shill................
33 degrees...as I said. You have an advantage, you can lie and hide the truth by just denying it. When one tells the truth, one cannot do this.
www.geocities.com...
YOU WROTE:
"I'd say no one outside of you because there is no "masonic sign fo joy or exultation" in freemasonry, and neither is there any sign with "rasing arms above the head and palms facing each other." Imagine that, you making more things up.
The sad fact is that you could read the Master Mason 3rd degree ritual and find out how wrong you are. Its on google. But you choose not to and instead to believe in the fanciful."
Also, you are busted!!!!!
quote:
"Hence Solomon decreed that those signs and the word should designate all master masons until time or circumstances should restore the genuine. The three killers were found and confessed their crime. The body was buried as near the holy of holies as would be allowed.
The initiate is then told of a further two signs. In addition to the signs of Horror, Sympathy and the Penal sign are the signs of Grief and distress and the sign of joy and Exultation. The sign of grief and distress involves passing the right hand over the forehead and extending the thumb in a square over the left eye, this mimicking Hiram Abiff wiping sweat from his forehead during the attack. It is explained to the initiate that in Scotland, Ireland and some states of America the sign is given in a slightly different manner along with the exclamation: ‘O Lord my God, O Lord my God, O Lord my God, is there no help for the widows son?’
The sign of Joy and exultation stems from the completion of the Temple, which being so struck by its magnificence in one spontaneous motion every one cried oh wonderful masons. The sign involves raising both hands above the head, palms facing each other.
Finally the worshipful master associates tools with various virtuous aspects.
Review of the Third Degree and Previous."
www.geocities.com...
gee whiz, I would think that a high level Mason would know this. Or, they haven't trusted you yet and are keeping these "secrets" away from you.
[edit on 7-1-2009 by tgambill]
www.geocities.com...
YOU WROTE:
"I'd say no one outside of you because there is no "masonic sign fo joy or exultation" in freemasonry, and neither is there any sign with "rasing arms above the head and palms facing each other." Imagine that, you making more things up.
The sad fact is that you could read the Master Mason 3rd degree ritual and find out how wrong you are. Its on google. But you choose not to and instead to believe in the fanciful."
Also, you are busted!!!!!
quote:
"Hence Solomon decreed that those signs and the word should designate all master masons until time or circumstances should restore the genuine. The three killers were found and confessed their crime. The body was buried as near the holy of holies as would be allowed.
The initiate is then told of a further two signs. In addition to the signs of Horror, Sympathy and the Penal sign are the signs of Grief and distress and the sign of joy and Exultation. The sign of grief and distress involves passing the right hand over the forehead and extending the thumb in a square over the left eye, this mimicking Hiram Abiff wiping sweat from his forehead during the attack. It is explained to the initiate that in Scotland, Ireland and some states of America the sign is given in a slightly different manner along with the exclamation: ‘O Lord my God, O Lord my God, O Lord my God, is there no help for the widows son?’
The sign of Joy and exultation stems from the completion of the Temple, which being so struck by its magnificence in one spontaneous motion every one cried oh wonderful masons. The sign involves raising both hands above the head, palms facing each other.
Finally the worshipful master associates tools with various virtuous aspects.
Review of the Third Degree and Previous."
www.geocities.com...
gee whiz, I would think that a high level Mason would know this. Or, they haven't trusted you yet and are keeping these "secrets" away from you.
[edit on 7-1-2009 by tgambill]
Originally posted by tgambill
*******) you people are such liars. lol.......you sit in your own Island and you are either gullible or you people have the philosophy of the Ends justify the means, which is ill advice and the advice of evil men.
There you go again spreading disinformation. In fact the truth is if you had bothered to do 5 minutes of research (which you have not done) you would know that masonic philosophy is diametrically opposed to any form of "the ends justifies the means."
And how nice of you to castigate 5 million people as evil men. I am glad you have been appointed moral judge of people you can't possibly know and those whose affiliations you have so obviously failed to do any research on.
Originally posted by tgambill
*******seriously wrong.......the research I sent you is slam dunk.
No...the DISINFORMATION you sent me is humurous, and proves nothing. Youtube videos - seriously? I had far more faith in you. You disappointed me.
Originally posted by tgambill
******The Unified Conspiracy is a fact. I challenge you to refute any of it instead of these useless posts.
No, its only a fact in your world. In reality things are quite different. Please google "proving a negative" - what you have proposed is a lie. I cannot prove a negative.
Originally posted by tgambill
******) Ahhhhh, you'll get over it and eventually shill and distort elsewhere.
While I have no doubt you are a conspiracy shill and distort the truth on many sites, unfortunately I'm going no where. I'm here to debunk people like you I must say though..you make it too easy. As it is, I really don't have to do anything because you can't present even 1 shred of actual evidence for anything you state. Please work harder on this.
Originally posted by tgambill
*****Wrong again, the references are all linked and shadow over this like a term paper.
You must have flunked out of school if you think youtube links are considered "references." You have shown yourself to be wrong, and for that I thank you. However, do work harder next time so I have some work to do.
Originally posted by tgambill
******Lies, challenge them and see for yourself.
No amount of disinformation on your part will change reality. If I have lied about anything, provide a source and show me where. You can't of course, because I have been completely truthful.
Originally posted by tgambill
*****Wrong..........and in the European royality.
Again you show you have done absolutely no research. The Scottish Rite was exclusively founded in the United States.
Originally posted by tgambill
****lots of people that study masons know about these. The High level masons are in Europe.
You have yet again showed you don't know what you are talking about. There are no high level masons, and no actual researcher has ever suggested otherwise. The group that you claim is exclusively the producer of "high level masons" was founded for them AND IS PRIMARILY A UNITED STATES ONLY GROUP.
Originally posted by tgambill
******lol....now I know that you are a LIAR, sorry to say. I have the proof in print.
You have again proved how gullible you are. Just because something is "in print" doesn't mean its true. I would have thought you would have been able to figure that out. Nothing you have stated thus far is any masonic sign.
The sad part is you could find out what all of them were, if you were interested in actually doing the research instead of spreading lies. But alas, I guess you are not interested in the truth.
Originally posted by tgambill
Hence Solomon decreed that those signs and the word should designate all master masons until time or circumstances should restore the genuine. The three killers were found and confessed their crime. The body was buried as near the holy of holies as would be allowed.
The initiate is then told of a further two signs. In addition to the signs of Horror, Sympathy and the Penal sign are the signs of Grief and distress and the sign of joy and Exultation. The sign of grief and distress involves passing the right hand over the forehead and extending the thumb in a square over the left eye, this mimicking Hiram Abiff wiping sweat from his forehead during the attack. It is explained to the initiate that in Scotland, Ireland and some states of America the sign is given in a slightly different manner along with the exclamation: ‘O Lord my God, O Lord my God, O Lord my God, is there no help for the widows son?’
The sign of Joy and exultation stems from the completion of the Temple, which being so struck by its magnificence in one spontaneous motion every one cried oh wonderful masons. The sign involves raising both hands above the head, palms facing each other.
Finally the worshipful master associates tools with various virtuous aspects.
Oh man, thanks for the laugh! You are gullible enough to believe some geocities site? Please, go to a lodge and make the "sign of joy and exultation." I would love to see the reaction. The REAL ritual is online. Read it. Stop believing in lies.
Originally posted by tgambill
*****Clearly a heirachy. You have demonstrated in light of the reservations, that you are nothing more than a shill................
You are so in love with the lies you believe that even when you find something that is correct you can't even see the truth. You show something that shows beyond a doubt no hierarchy exists, and you deny it!
Thanks for the laughs!
reply to post by tgambill
Thanks for proving yourself wrong.............again.
Do you get all your sources from geocities sites? You BUSTED yourself!
The Scottish Rite is a SIDE ORDER. There are no high degrees or low degrees. There are other side orders that you have ignored because you, in your search to believe in lies, have decided to simply ignore everything which shows you are wrong.
The York Rite has just as much power as the Scottish Rite - none, outside of the administration of its own body - but you ignore it because it doesn't have the magical high numbers that you obsess with.
You have assumed that numbers somehow stand for power, authority, or something like it. You assumed wrongly.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong.............again.
Do you get all your sources from geocities sites? You BUSTED yourself!
The Scottish Rite is a SIDE ORDER. There are no high degrees or low degrees. There are other side orders that you have ignored because you, in your search to believe in lies, have decided to simply ignore everything which shows you are wrong.
The York Rite has just as much power as the Scottish Rite - none, outside of the administration of its own body - but you ignore it because it doesn't have the magical high numbers that you obsess with.
You have assumed that numbers somehow stand for power, authority, or something like it. You assumed wrongly.
Sign of joy and exaltation? BWhahahaha I would love to see someone come up to me with that rubbish. O man you guys are gullible.
tgambill, your discussion probably belongs in another thread. Don't let the masons hijack the thread about the masonic symbolism with a
side-argument. Obviously if you post something saying "some song is masonic" their retort is "it isn't real". Instead of arguing with them,
just keep putting support for the individual claims made in the post.
Unless we want to make a new thread with a list of songs with masonic content?
Unless we want to make a new thread with a list of songs with masonic content?
Both of your Masons are not even good at lying or covering it up.
The candidate is shown the secret handshake - the 'lion's paw' grip, the 'Due Guard' and four further signs of Horror, Sympathy, Grief and Distress, and Joy and Exaltation. The passwords are 'Machoben' and 'Tubal Cain'
www.christian-restoration.com...
www.christian-restoration.com...
The 33rd Degree in England
In England only 75 Freemasons can be 33rd degree at one time. Headquarters of Supreme Council 33 Degree is at 10 Duke Street, London. (Known as Grand East by Masons) The building contains a 'Black Room' a 'Red Room' and a 'Chamber of Death' for ritual purposes. No Mason can rise above the 18th Degree without the unanimous agreement of the entire Supreme Council. The most senior 33rd Degree Mason is known as the 'Most Puissant Sovereign Commander' The English working of the rite - sometimes known by the code name Rose Croix from the title of the initiate to the 18th Degree - differs from the American in one basic respect. In England and Wales only a few of the 33rd degrees are conferred by special ritual, while in the USA each degree has its own initiation ceremony. In England the 4th to the 17th Degrees are conferred at once and in name only during initiation of the selected Freemason to the 18th Degree. To the few who rise higher than the 18th Degree, the 19th to 29th are conferred nominally during the ritual of initiation to the 30th Degree - that of Grand Elected Knight Kadosh or Knight of the Black and White Eagle. Degrees above the 30th are conferred singly.
www.christian-restoration.com...
roots of Masonry
www.christian-restoration.com...
Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written
"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians"
Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”
‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.
www.christian-restoration.com...
General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
“That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.
If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?
Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.
Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”
Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)
The candidate is shown the secret handshake - the 'lion's paw' grip, the 'Due Guard' and four further signs of Horror, Sympathy, Grief and Distress, and Joy and Exaltation. The passwords are 'Machoben' and 'Tubal Cain'
www.christian-restoration.com...
www.christian-restoration.com...
The 33rd Degree in England
In England only 75 Freemasons can be 33rd degree at one time. Headquarters of Supreme Council 33 Degree is at 10 Duke Street, London. (Known as Grand East by Masons) The building contains a 'Black Room' a 'Red Room' and a 'Chamber of Death' for ritual purposes. No Mason can rise above the 18th Degree without the unanimous agreement of the entire Supreme Council. The most senior 33rd Degree Mason is known as the 'Most Puissant Sovereign Commander' The English working of the rite - sometimes known by the code name Rose Croix from the title of the initiate to the 18th Degree - differs from the American in one basic respect. In England and Wales only a few of the 33rd degrees are conferred by special ritual, while in the USA each degree has its own initiation ceremony. In England the 4th to the 17th Degrees are conferred at once and in name only during initiation of the selected Freemason to the 18th Degree. To the few who rise higher than the 18th Degree, the 19th to 29th are conferred nominally during the ritual of initiation to the 30th Degree - that of Grand Elected Knight Kadosh or Knight of the Black and White Eagle. Degrees above the 30th are conferred singly.
www.christian-restoration.com...
roots of Masonry
www.christian-restoration.com...
Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written
"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians"
Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”
‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.
www.christian-restoration.com...
General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
“That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.
If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?
Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.
Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”
Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)
Originally posted by Ablastard
tgambill, your discussion probably belongs in another thread. Don't let the masons hijack the thread about the masonic symbolism with a side-argument. Obviously if you post something saying "some song is masonic" their retort is "it isn't real". Instead of arguing with them, just keep putting support for the individual claims made in the post.
Unless we want to make a new thread with a list of songs with masonic content?
Indeed - it is always wise to ignore the truth. Never ever listen to any points of view other than what you already want to believe in. Tgambill is very good at that already
Originally posted by tgambill
Both of your Masons are not even good at lying or covering it up.
Thanks for the continued laughs. You YET AGAIN PROVE that you have not done one bit of research. "Christian-Restoration"? Another biased, fanatical zealot site. All you are doing is googling for things that confirm what you already want to believe. All of these propaganda sites copy and paste from one another, just like you are doing.
What is really so sad here is that older, REAL versions of the masonic ritual are out there and EASILY gotten. Literally, it would take less time for you to read the the real ritual than reading through all these propaganda sites.
But you wouldn't dare. Because then you would find out you are believing in lies.
I want you to go to a lodge and do the "sign of horror, sympathy, grief, distress, joy, and exaltation." I want you to use the password "machoben." The reactions should be priceless.
You can copy and paste from KNOWN fraud, hoaxes (Bill S. again? The same guy who claims to have been a vampire? LOL!), but you have completely failed to do any real research. With all the REAL copies of the old ritual out there, you sir have done a very poor job.
The Albert Pike quote is even a KNOWN fraud. Leo taxil hoax - but of course, you wouldn't bother to have researched that.
I love it. This is now providing me with endless humor. Keep it up!
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