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Originally posted by jedimiller
...they are too passionate and take things to heart. this does not make them appropiate to be pastors. because they would focus on personal beliefs and less on the bible...Sorry girls. I love you!
Originally posted by Yknot
The Black family of America during Slavery AND since the late 70's.
(Bill Cosby notwithstanding)
Originally posted by Phenomium
Did you read the passage just before that? Or did you tweak the passage to mirror your argument....I believe if you go just one passage back to Matthew 19:25 you'll see that they are discussing who can be saved or not, it has nothing to do with women or men teaching the word of God.
Originally posted by Phenomium
Furthermore, when you highlighted the words "I suffer not" a woman to teach.......that is not a crutch to your defense either, in biblical tongue of that day it meant that someone does not have to suffer because of something happening. So to say I suffer not...is to say that I don't suffer......because this is not happening. Hence, I suffer not a woman to teach = I don't suffer, if she don't teach.
Originally posted by Phenomium
I suspect it was a bit dramatic to insinuate there would actually be suffering while a woman taught but as the guy back there said.....let one teach for 3 hours and I concur....it is suffering. The bible makes it clear that the apostles were "inspired" by the Holy Spirit while penning the Bible. So it is the authority of God by proxy that you question and the words don't seem that unclear to me, even if you tweak them to support your argument, we can still go and look it up and see, as Paul Harvey says "the rest of the story". The bible also says in several places that God protects his word to make sure that it is not tarnished, so don't think that one part of the bible is correct while others have been tainted by man.
Originally posted by Phenomium
There is passage to reference this in the bible, challenge me and I shall respond with your evidence. As for Adam being the culprit who ruined it for all mankind? It is said by God who had it in their heart to deceive and lure and to most likely use her "charms" to entice Adam to join her while she sinned. After all, has this tactic ever really changed or gone away? Every man alive has been ripped off or deceived by a woman using sexual charm to get her way. The authority that is usurped from man is clear. It is ANY authority that puts the man in subjection to the woman in opposition to God's clear messages.
Originally posted by Phenomium
A woman in the churches, a woman in the workplace anywhere. After all, this among other punishments such as labor pains in child birth, (subjection)
Originally posted by Phenomium
is one of womans punishments for luring Adam to partake of this "forbidden fruit", You have to ask yourself this question? WHY WOULD SATAN SKIP ADAM AND GO TO EVE TO MAKE SURE GOD WAS BETRAYED? I will let the following forum entries answer that one.
Originally posted by Naboo the Enigma
Why stick to the rhetoric of a book compiled 1800 to 2000 years ago? Why not update your practices to represent a more enlightened view of women? What practical reasons are there for not ordaning women?
Originally posted by TheHypnoToad
Maybe one day I'll learn what my place is. Until then, I will continue going off to work. I'll continue making more money than my husband (who is perfectly okay with it), at the job that I got because my grades were so good (in fact, in a class of around 160, only five people were ranked higher than me, two of which were men). I write laws. I do a lot of work that affects a few hundred thousand people every day. I'm good at it.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
How about this one: 85%-90% of all convicted prisoners in the United States comes from SINGLE MOTHER HOUSEHOLDS. If women (as a group) cannot teach their own child to not get in trouble, how much less can she teach on objective moral lessons?
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Put another way: Women, again as a group, cannot teach their children to obey the laws of man, which is MUCH easier than obeying the laws of God.
Originally posted by Naboo the Enigma
... e.g. where X% of children raised solely by their father end up in prison and Y% of children raised solely by their mother end up in prison, I suspect the diference between X and Y will be negligible.
Originally posted by saint4God
...Maybe it was because daddy wasn't there as a role-model? Maybe their mommy was trying to balance work, putting food on the table, keep the house clean, shop for groceries, pack lunches, doing laundry, etc. all at the same time while daddy was off trying to get his kicks? ...
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
2% of people in prison were raised by single fathers.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
2% of people in prison were raised by single fathers.