MuLongQun,
I apologize for the less than civil response earlier. It was mainly in regards to this bit about living in a bunker.
Originally posted by MuLongQun
Some people might say you’re a coward for not trying. I say people who don’t know when to say “enough is enough” are cowards.
I would say in this scenario “die and let die”.
This is what touched off the cord, so to speak. The audacity that you would call any of us "cowards" for doing what our God/Nature-given duty is: to
provide food, water, shelter, and protection for our families, and the added implication that living in a bunker was just too much of a hellish
existence for any non-coward.
Well, yes, I took serious umbrage with that. And the immediate image that came to mind was of someone who'd led such a pampered existence that
they'd rather "bravely" commit suicide than face 2 years in a cell.
However, in your additional recent posts, you've clarified your stance considerably, but your stance is based on some very specific assumptions.
Namely:
Originally posted by MuLongQun
What if after you have stayed in said bunker for a lengthy time period and decide to surface to find the earth around you is still
“uninhabitable”.
As AngryAmerican already put it, the Earth
might also be green and lush.
If not, then we would travel as far as we could, in search of food, just like mankind did for the previous tens of thousands of years. If the entire
Earth is uninhabitable, all the way around the globe, then yeah, we'll die. But at least we'll have tried. However, a situation where the entire
globe is uninhabitable AND we we manage to survive in a bunker is very highly unlikely. We'd have either been incinerated (a Texas size asteroid will
boil the Earth for 65 mile downward, and I'm not digging any 100 mile down shelter), and any other "uninhabitable" scenario would leave the
atmosphere devoid of oxygen, or too poisoned with other gasses to breathe. Very few shelters are going to carry their own independant full renewable
air supply.
However, the chances are very high that only certain areas will be completely uninhabitable, and that you will find nature doing quite well for itself
outside of those areas. Even Chernobyl is thriving with natural life right now.
Originally posted by MuLongQun
Being locked up in a small confined space is one thing. With no one else to socialize with is another. May you survive? Maybe. May you come out the
same as you went in? Maybe not.
Of course you don't come out of a situation like that as the same person you went in, and if you did, you'd have to be pretty stone cold beforehand.
However, you assume all of us would be alone in our little spider-holes. I have a wife and child, I've also got immediate family within mere minutes
drive. Assuming we
had a bunker, the odds of my being alone in it are very slim. Even if I were alone though, I know I could make it through.
Maybe not the same person I was before, but I'd make it through.
The thing is, MuLongQun, your assumption we'd have to wait 2 years is pretty far-fetched, to be honest. There's really only a couple of scenarios
where you really need a bunker. Nuclear War comes to mind first and foremost. Now, if you are at all familiar with how nuclear fallout works, then
you'll know that each passing minute, there's less radiation than the minute before it.
Even after a direct nuclear strike, provided you are in a bunker with enough mass between you and the fallout, you're pretty safe. After about two
weeks, the radiation levels will have dropped off dramatically, to the point where it's probably safe enough to walk around, at least for a few
hours. Even a few days or hours is enough to buy you some time to keep from getting fried by rads.
In the area I live, we're a pretty high-profile target for a nuclear strike, and for tornados. Tornados are over in minutes, perhaps hours if you've
got a "night of the twisters" scenario.
So, worst case LIKELY scenario, we're looking at about a month, tops, in said bunker. After which time, even if a nuke has reduced the land around us
to ash, we can begin our migration outward towards greener pastures. If there are no greener pastures, anywhere to be found, then, we'll probably
return to the bunker and wait some more. On a long enough timeline, nature recovers.
And if nature simply isn't possible of recovering, well, then, we'll end up dying, and we'd be no worse off than before if we'd just given up and
drank some kool-aid or something. But at least we'll have done our best.