Brattleboro to vote on arresting Bush, Cheney

Brace yourself for the next regime, which if history is any indicator, will be worse than the present administration.

What crime exactly would we be arresting them for?

And I don't want general "I don't like his policies" crap. I want a specific crime, I want evidence, and I want you to site the law he has violated.

Please.

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I agree. I am a registered Independent and I, of course, have problems with all politicians. However, I see no crime being committed.

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Grand perjury: Lying to the American public about

Iraq war:
A). weapons of mass destruction

B). terrorist connections to Saddam

Afghanistan war:
A). taliban's power


Incompetence: Failure to act in 9/11 and Katrina disasters


Need I say more? I can keep going.

-Warrantless wiretapping of civilians

-Condoned torture of enemy combatants and US civilians


And countless other crimes against humanity.

Don't get me wrong, Bush/Cheney aren't the only ones to blame. The whole government is rotten to the core. They just happen to represent the 'higher ups' involved in a mass cover up of destruction and death.

They've essentially scripted World War 3 and pretty much followed through with all their plans so far.

No one has been imprisoned yet. Libby got out thanks to a pardon.

This Administration is one of the most criminal in the history of the US, if not the world.


Immortal Technique - cause of death lyrics

Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

If you want the truth, listen to the man speak.

Originally posted by bkcrt
What crime exactly would we be arresting them for?

And I don't want general "I don't like his policies" crap. I want a specific crime, I want evidence, and I want you to site the law he has violated.

Please.

[edit on 29-1-2008 by bkcrt]

Simply put, Public Indecency. More radically put? How about the warrantless wiretaps? How about breaking the constitution as opposed to upholding it. Cheney likes to rattle on about national security, which he thinks trumps Upholding the constitution.

Originally posted by bkcrt
What crime exactly would we be arresting them for?
And I don't want general "I don't like his policies" crap. I want a specific
crime, I want evidence, and I want you to site the law he has violated.

It has long been apparent to us that our Constitution is under attack and
has been deliberately and relentlessly undermined by domestic enemies
-- indeed, by our highest government officials.
Many Constitutional crimes have been committed by the Bush
administration, including warrantless electronic surveillance of American
citizens in violation of the 4th Amendment, failure to provide due process
rights in violation of the 5th and 6th Amendments, infliction of cruel and
unusual punishments in violation of the 8th Amendment, usurpation of
powers granted exclusively to Congress in violation of Article I, Section 1,
and violation of Article VI, Paragraph 2, which states that all international
treaties to which the United States is a signatory are "the Supreme law of
the Land."
The wars prosecuted by the Bush administration in our name with our
national resources are violations of all treaties defining the international
laws of war since 1928, including the United Nations and Nuremberg
charters, which uniformly prohibit wars of aggression. As violations of
these international covenants and pledges, they also constitute high
crimes against the United States Constitution.
Furthermore, the illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and other
war crimes including torture and use of internationally prohibited weapons
such as depleted uranium, violate the Geneva Conventions of 1949,
thereby further violating the Supreme Law of our Land.
Our oath therefore compels us to issue a citizens' warrant for the
immediate arrest of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, President
and Vice-President of the United States.
We call upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney to surrender
themselves to federal law enforcement authorities or to any private group
of Americans that is prepared to make these citizens arrests.
The right of citizens arrest is deeply grounded in English common law and
is constitutionally protected under the 9th Amendment, derived from the
natural right of self-defense and defense of others. A citizens arrest is valid
when arresting citizens have a reasonable belief that the suspect has
committed a felony.
We believe that felonies of great magnitude have been committed, and
the evidentiary bases of these are conclusively established in the public
record.
We charge these officials with conspiracy to commit genocide against the
citizens of another sovereign state, with conspiracy to commit mass murder
of American citizens by waging a fraudulently justified war, and other high
crimes described on our website, www.VeteransAgainstTorture.com.

Our charges include war crimes and crimes against humanity for which we
will seek extradition for trial in the international criminal court at the Hague,
Netherlands, following trial in the United States for treason and other high
crimes against our constitutional government.

Is that good enough for ya ???

I'm not exactly a big Bush fan by any means, but this is ridiculous. This is still a bunch of butthurt libs wanting Bush arrested because he "stole" the election 8 years ago...and again 4 years ago

It's kind of pathetic, really. People need to let go.

I've been listening to people shout "war crimes" for years now, yet no one has ever proved Bush had anything to do with carrying out "war crimes." What are they and where is this proof? People scream "tapping phone lines," but apparently no one can prove it enough to make a case. I can say "Bush tapped my phone line" all I want to get attention and try and make him look bad.

People need to stop blaming Bush for all their problems. The fact is, Iraq isn't even affecting us. If there was no news media coverage, no one would even know the war is happening. This isn't like WWII where things were rationed. There is no draft, it's ALL volunteer, which people casually forget. The War in Iraq is hardly affecting the American lifestyle at all.

The problem with this nation is we're a nation of cowards. No one has any guts. No one will stand up and fight. Even this war is a joke - we're fighting it with one hand tied behind our back. We should have steamrolled the place. Don't wanna die? Get out of our way. Whether or not people want to accept it, American lives are more important than Iraqi lives. That's just the way it is when your country is fighting a war - you care more about your side than the other.

There are two rules, and ONLY two rules, to war:
Rule #1: People die.
Rule #2: You can't change rule #1.

Accept it. Stop blaming Bush for all your problems, he's not really causing you any. Man up, people!

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
I'm not exactly a big Bush fan by any means, but this is ridiculous. This is still a bunch of butthurt libs wanting Bush arrested because he "stole" the election 8 years ago...and again 4 years ago

dude, this ain't got nothing to do with his stealing the election
it's got to do with his actions in the oval office

wake up !!!

I applaud the citizens of this town for having the courage to stand up to the Bush-Cheney union.

Now if only more towns would follow suit.

Originally posted by AussieNutter
I applaud the citizens of this town for having the courage to stand up to the Bush-Cheney union.

Now if only more towns would follow suit.

You voted for Rudd, didn't you? I dread think what kind of economic shape Oz will be in a year or two from now. I Hope it doesn't affect the gallops racing.

Originally posted by AussieNutter
I applaud the citizens of this town for having the courage to stand up to the Bush-Cheney union.
Now if only more towns would follow suit.

there are 3 more towns doing it
one in California, one in Kentucky and one in Colorado
that makes 4 that I know about
another poster on here says it is being looked at
by his city council but he didn't state a city or state
so I don't know if his city is one of the ones I posted.
If it isn't then you can make it 5 towns in the works
with Bush/Cheney Arrest Warrants.
Pretty soon congress will listen, if not
then their names will start coming up
on the warrants as accomplices.
The people are fed up with this administration.
It was pretty evident 2 years ago when the democrats
took over the hill winning mid-term elections. We were
hoping that would create the impeachment proceedings
but when Pelosi said impeachment was off the table.
She signed her own warrant as well.
The revolution has begun whether or not Ron Paul gets
elected or not. V for "Victory over tyranny" !!!!

Originally posted by SimonSays

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
I'm not exactly a big Bush fan by any means, but this is ridiculous. This is still a bunch of butthurt libs wanting Bush arrested because he "stole" the election 8 years ago...and again 4 years ago

dude, this ain't got nothing to do with his stealing the election
it's got to do with his actions in the oval office

wake up !!!

No, it doesn't. Vermont is a huge liberal state. If Bush was a Democrat, they would not be having this election, I guarantee you. This is a partisan thing, and it's proof that the two party system just doesn't work. If Bush was a Democrat, Iraq would be cast in a different light in the mainstream media. You near nothing but bad news. You don't hear about all the Iraqi police being hired. You don't hear about the progress in schools. You don't hear about the thanks that civilians give. You hear nothing but disrespect to our nation and to our troops, and it's a partisan thing more than anything else.

This "vote" in Vermont is nothing but a bunch of Gore and Kerry voters looking to get revenge for their candidate losing the election. Make no mistake about it.

Perhaps you're not familiar with how petty and immature people are, especially politically motivated people. Sir, you need to wake up.

reply to post by ChocoTaco369

choco, I'm gonna recite a line from a famous movie
that is relevant to your situation.

"You are living in a dream world Neo
a dream that has has blinded you from the truth"

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While I appreciate your naiivety to reality, you sir, need to wake up.

If the authorization of warrantless wiretaps isn't enough, how about the Patriot Act? Care to explain to me how it doesn't break the Constitution?

Is there some sort of new interpretation neocons are using these days?

"The Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper." None other than yours truly...Der Fuhrer.

Originally posted by SimonSays
The people are fed up with this administration.

You keep saying things like this, but seriously, how has Bush impacted your life? That is, besides the rebate checks you got from him. How has his "tyranny" forced you into a cave? Has he taken your home? Your car? Your job? Because last time I checked, overall, unemployment has shrunk, the DOW has climbed a lot higher and home values have overall increased since Clinton left office. There's also been no other attacks on American soil since 9/11.

Again, he's not by favorite president by any means. I don't think he's anything special at all. He's way too liberal for my tastes and he's way too spendy. If anything, he's more of a Democrat on paper than a Republican. I'm personally not a Bush fan at all, but I realize that he is not the worst president in history by any means like some of you guys make him out to be, and in reality, our standard of living hasn't changed much at all since he has been in office.

Please, tell me how Bush has made your life a living Hell. You called him tyrannical. Please, tell us how he's hurt you personally.

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
This "vote" in Vermont is nothing but a bunch of Gore and Kerry voters looking to get revenge for their candidate losing the election.

so what's your reasoning for the same thing happening
in California, Kentucky and Colorado ??

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Washington Post claims Bush is the worst US President ever
but don't take my word for it read it here

Source

So if he is indeed the worst ever .... AND we've had other
presidents impeached for far lessor offenses like Watergate,
then Bush is the kingpin of atrocities and needs to be
impeached.

Originally posted by SimonSays

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
This "vote" in Vermont is nothing but a bunch of Gore and Kerry voters looking to get revenge for their candidate losing the election.

so what's your reasoning for the same thing happening
in California, Kentucky and Colorado ??

California is a huge liberal state, one of the most liberal in the entire country. For Kentucky and Colorado, they're select TOWNS, correct? Not the state? What's the overall voting record of the towns in question?

Originally posted by SimonSays
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Washington Post claims Bush is the worst US President ever
but don't take my word for it read it here

Source

So if he is indeed the worst ever .... AND we've had other
presidents impeached for far lessor offenses like Watergate,
then Bush is the kingpin of atrocities and needs to be
impeached.

Wow. You want to make a point by quoting something in the Washington Post?

Well, check out this study:

archive.newsmax.com...

According to the quantified liberal bias study, the Washington Post is tied for the 5th most liberal mainstream media source out there with a 66.6% liberal bias. You're going to post an opinion article from a very liberally biased newspaper about Bush? What do you think it's going to say?

And I'm in a dreamworld? You're getting all your "news" from horribly biased sources. What do you think they're going to tell you?

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what do you have to say about all the young, homeless vets who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder? what about the americans that have died as a result of friendly fire? screw that, what about any american that had to die in a foreign country post-911? IMO a "war on terror" is nothing more than a ploy to fatten up Bush-n-friends' bank accounts. Just like the "war on drugs". You can't have a war against an ideal. especially when you're playing both sides of the coin.

IMO our gov't is the biggest perpetuator of terror (not to mention drug dealer) in the world but people are so caught up in what's legal vs. illegal by law as opposed to what's morally right vs. unethical. it's sick that some people think it's o.k. for the president to lie to the public hundreds of time and swindle billions (if not trillions) of dollars because he didn't do anything "illegal" as defined by current law. but of course his actions aren't illegal! he makes the laws! laws that cover his sorry administration from current and retroactive prosecution. i applaud these cities for what they're doing and IMO more americans need to grow a pair and take a stand for what's right.