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Originally posted by rikriley
My guess is Ron Paul will run as an independent and will take 5% of the total vote thru out The United States Of America. He would more then likely take votes away from the Republicans verses the Democrats. Many will disagree with his platform of beliefs, but Ron Paul has opened the eyes of many who really listen to what he has to say whether they agree or not. Rik Riley
Originally posted by mmmeat
Originally posted by Shar_Chi
It will take a coup to restore American democracy. Fascists never give up anything without a fight.
America is a republic, not a democracy. Republic. R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C. NOT a democracy. Talking about coups and fascists when you don't understand the basic concept America was founded on is just plain silly.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
I would note that I think liberals and conservatives have lost it, but since you decided to insert your liberal ideology in this I responded against it. I would be equally appalled were you a radical republican. By the way, stop using a false dilemma fallacy. It makes your talking points look even worse.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
I am sorry that you do not understand that your arguments amount to logical fallacies.
By the way, I taught logic a while ago, its been a while though. I suggest you DO take a logic classes though, as it may help you from using so many logical fallacies to defend your ideology.
Yes, as long as they are used I will point them out. I am sorry this upsets you, but I must point out logical inconsistency.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
reply to post by rikriley
I agree. I think if Paul runs as an independent, he will do similar damage to the Republicans that Nader did to the Democrats the last 2 elections.
The whole Ron Paul thing sort of bothers me, especially that so much of his support comes from young voters. Before he died, Dr. Timothy Leary wrote a very good essay which bemoaned the fact that young people in the USA are becoming more and more conservative. This changes the dynamics because, since the 1960's, young voters have been sympathetic to the Left, and *in* the 1960's, were radical leftists and revolutionaries.
Ron Paul's Libertarianism has introduced far rightwing concepts that many young people are supporting. As a leftist and as an old hippie, I share Leary's concerns over this.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
But I know it is much easier to talk about my use of fallacies rather than acknowledge your entire "argument" consists of a inaccurate false dilemma fallacy.
I can certainly understand your concerns. What I find most interesting, however, is that the rest of western, advanced world is moving in the *opposite* direction, and is prospering. We, on the other hand, have been moving further and further to the right, and as a result are in decline.
They now lead the western world in preventative health care, while we are way *way* behind.
I try not to be close-minded, and will consider Libertarian ideas if they can be shown to work. However, if they don't they should be discarded.
Originally posted by Shar_Chi
Well if you mean a supreme court handpicked by bush
a raped bill of rights and plundered constitution...
Cite your source, and list how these documents were 'raped' or 'plundered.'
Knowledge is power. Get some.