Things are looking bad; almost nobody supports Ron Paul and knows of Bilderberg Group.

As I was walking the streets, I asked about 20-25 random people if they knew what Bilderberg Group was. NONE of them said yes. Then I asked them if they know who Alex Jones is, and if they saw the film Endgame. Again, everyone said no, thought I was a nutcase, and didn't seem to care or have any intention on seeing the film. And all the people I talked to think Ron Paul is a racist radical who has the potential to ruin our nation. When I mentioned that the nation is already screwed beyond belief and Ron Paul is our last hope, they all looked at me funny.

I still think its very amusing to think that Ron Paul ever stood a chance. Dont worry though, some of those other candidates seem decent enough. Also Im not sure why you are surprised that people havent heard of the Bilderberg Group.

I am sure you asked in the wrong area. If I asked around where I live, there would be a lot of people with at least some knowledge of NWO Ron Paul etc.

reply to post by thetruth777


Not sure where you live but I think you've got inflated expectations of what people
actually pay attention to. Most people don't know even know how elections work in this country much less participate in them. And to be perfectly honest (and please, this is in no way a dig at you) if some guy on the street came up to me asking about Alex Jones I'd play dumb and move along.
I don't trust anyone, let alone a stranger asking me about a fear profiteer, you could be anyone (with all due respect).

An important point from a Wikipedia article.


Bilderberg Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The group's stated justification for secrecy is that it enables people to speak freely without the need to carefully consider how every word might be interpreted by the mass media.

reply to post by Hellmutt


I must admit I do enjoy going down the Bilderberg conspiracy trail every now and then but at the end of it all Occam may be right about this one.

reply to post by thetruth777


My guess is Ron Paul will run as an independent and will take 5% of the total vote thru out The United States Of America. He would more then likely take votes away from the Republicans verses the Democrats. Many will disagree with his platform of beliefs, but Ron Paul has opened the eyes of many who really listen to what he has to say whether they agree or not. Rik Riley

It will take a coup to restore American democracy. Fascists never give up anything without a fight.

Originally posted by thetruth777
As I was walking the streets, I asked about 20-25 random people if they knew what Bilderberg Group was. NONE of them said yes. Then I asked them if they know who Alex Jones is, and if they saw the film Endgame. Again, everyone said no, thought I was a nutcase, and didn't seem to care or have any intention on seeing the film. And all the people I talked to think Ron Paul is a racist radical who has the potential to ruin our nation. When I mentioned that the nation is already screwed beyond belief and Ron Paul is our last hope, they all looked at me funny.

Welcome to the real world and thank you for the good news. You are not a nutcase just get out more and make contact with the real world more often to put things into their proper perspective. Movies, conspiracies and faith in failed candidates are not a part of normal day to day living.

Neither is anarchism as some allude to.

The man is pulling 6% to 10% in every state. That is not bad numbers for someone who is painted as too far out of the republician party to concider.

reply to post by Hellmutt


I am a long time lurker and I finally had to speak up.

You make a really good point and I think for most, on the surface see it as no big deal. However I would like to add this: The Logan Act

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

So although one can appreciate that they may not want every single word to come under scrutiny from the media, considering WHO is at these meetings they are in fact illegal.

The only person I know outside of ATS who knows who the Bilderberg Group and Alex Jones are, is my dad. Therefore it does not surprise me in the least to know that you found zero out of 25 people knew who they were. I doubt I could find many who know who Ron Paul is, either, but I live in Canada, so that's maybe a little more understandable.

By the way, I haven't seen Endgame, either. But at least I would watch it if I got the chance, and I've seen a few other Alex Jones documentaries, like Police State 1 and 3 (couldn't find 2).

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I agree. I think if Paul runs as an independent, he will do similar damage to the Republicans that Nader did to the Democrats the last 2 elections.

The whole Ron Paul thing sort of bothers me, especially that so much of his support comes from young voters. Before he died, Dr. Timothy Leary wrote a very good essay which bemoaned the fact that young people in the USA are becoming more and more conservative. This changes the dynamics because, since the 1960's, young voters have been sympathetic to the Left, and *in* the 1960's, were radical leftists and revolutionaries.

Ron Paul's Libertarianism has introduced far rightwing concepts that many young people are supporting. As a leftist and as an old hippie, I share Leary's concerns over this.

reply to post by Masonic Light


And I share an sigh of relief that young people are running from radical leftism. I would also argue most of Paul's points are Libertarian - NOT conservative as we now use the term.

But its OK masonic light, because as Masons we are united in our question to RULE the WORLD!

Originally posted by thetruth777
As I was walking the streets, I asked about 20-25 random people if they knew what Bilderberg Group was.

That seems like an odd thing to do. I know that if you asked me, I'd have said 'no' as well.

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
It will take a coup to restore American democracy. Fascists never give up anything without a fight.

America is a republic, not a democracy. Republic. R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C. NOT a democracy. Talking about coups and fascists when you don't understand the basic concept America was founded on is just plain silly.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
The man is pulling 6% to 10% in every state. That is not bad numbers for someone who is painted as too far out of the republician party to concider.

Oh, good lord.

Ron Paul has two (2) - count 'em TWO - delegates (out of 96) so far. He got all of them from ONE state - he hasn't got ANY in ANY OTHER STATE.

In order to win the Republican nomination, you need 1,191 delegates. One thousand, one hundred and ninty-one delegates.

'Pulling 6% to 10%' means nothing. Delegates are what you need, delegates are what the caucasii are for, not for minor percentages. Stop believing the mainstream media.

Currently, Romney has 42 delegates. This puts him in the lead (which is a shame, since I favor Giuliani).

Originally posted by Masonic LightRon Paul's Libertarianism has introduced far rightwing concepts that many young people are supporting. As a leftist and as an old hippie, I share Leary's concerns over this.

I think it's great that young people are voting more conservative. Perhaps years of the minority dictating what and how the majority should support them is finally coming to an end. The rise of big government, rewarding irresponsibility, racism and division of the people will come to an end. When Hillary loses, the boomers are finished in politics. Good riddance to bad rubbish, in my opinion.

Your pal,
Meat.

Keep one thing in mind. Almost half of this country voted for George Bush. Not once. Twice. The idea that people have somehow changed is almost farcical. Most people don't have a clue about what the candidates stand for --- even their own --- and simply glom onto some superficial or second-hand opinion. People avoid hard truth at all cost.

As long as we're told "don't worry, everything will be alright', people will believe it. How many candidates are saying that they'll lower taxes but plan to keep funding the wars? Exactly how does that work? How much money can we borrow from foreighn governments? It is finite but no one has caught on to that yet.

People talk about wanting change --- even here on ATS. But they really don't. The situation is relatively simple. As a nation we're spending way beyond our means. In an emergency, you could get by taking cash advances on your credit card for awhile. But that would only last for so loing and then you'd be screwed. As a nation, that's exactly what we're doing. And we're very nearly screwed. And besides Ron Paul, not another single candidate seems to get that.

How can anyone be suprised that no one has heard of Ron Paul?

When the mass media is so concerned with Hillary & obama?

How can he get any message out?

He can't and when he can, he is viewed as a "leftist" "libertarian" "socialist"

We've already got that covered with the democratic party.

Besides, there have only been 4 primaries so far. The nominee is not going to be chosen on 4 states.

B-T-W To mmmeat very nice post.



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Originally posted by thetruth777
As I was walking the streets, I asked about 20-25 random people if they knew what Bilderberg Group was. NONE of them said yes. Then I asked them if they know who Alex Jones is, and if they saw the film Endgame. Again, everyone said no, thought I was a nutcase, and didn't seem to care or have any intention on seeing the film. And all the people I talked to think Ron Paul is a racist radical who has the potential to ruin our nation. When I mentioned that the nation is already screwed beyond belief and Ron Paul is our last hope, they all looked at me funny.

Welcome to the "Fringe". You may find as you get older that almost no one is as paranoid as you are now. I is all part of maturing. I was once like you, now I am older and wiser.

Some however only get older

Yes Ron Paul. There was a really great interview with him and the producer-director of american freedom to fascism, and he really did come across as genuine, i agree with the poster above me, if i tried to find anyone out side of ATS who knew what the bilderbergs were all about, it would prove to be at the least similar to flying long haul in steerage if u copy, but all said and done, with ref to Ron Paul, i recently read an article via the bbc, about the preliminary votings, and the sad thing was that even the BBC had no time for him, not even a mention in the story, just his name and a percentage symbol in the bottom column, if i remember correctly they did however manage to mention all other parties involved, so maybe that does tell you something, is he too outspoken, could he indeed ruin the plans for a NWO, either way if u had to judge a book by its cover, he'd certainly get my vote
dno

Originally posted by harrymudd


He can't and when he can, he is viewed as a "leftist" "libertarian" "socialist"

I don't think that anyone would accuse Ron Paul of being "leftist" or "socialist".

He *is*, however, a Libertarian, and even ran for President as a Libertarian in the past.

Also, to my conservative friends who posted above:

I am not conceding the majority of youth to the right wing; in fact, the majority of youthful voters continue to celebrate liberalism and humanitarianism, as is evidenced by their overwhelming support of Obama. I just find it curious that so many young folks fell for Ron Paul's snake oil. While some may indeed be tired of "big government", apparently most people are tired of big corrupt corporations trying to run everything, and prefer to elect their own leaders than having CEO billionaires dictate to them.

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