Citibank tell it's card members what they can buy and not

reply to post by marg6043


Thanks for that link, marg6043! Great information.

I might add a comment on the WorldNetDaily quote from the article titled -Citibank confirms anti-gun stance-

Citibank spokesman Mark Rodgers told WorldNetDaily, "Citibank's consumer business has a longstanding policy of not engaging in financial relationships with businesses that manufacture or sell military weapons, military munitions or firearms."

I will now call up my broker at Smith Barney - another of Citigroup's financial subsidiaries - and buy 100 shares of Lockheed (LMT) or Smith and Wesson (SWHC).

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by dr_strangecraft

 

I don't get what's illegal about buying a firearm out of state not face to face. The only caveat is that the transfer must take place between two FFLers. I can buy any firearm I want from wherever I want without showing my face. It gets shipped to a local FFL and then transfered to me.

It's not illegal.

NOW I get it. Thanks. I couldn't tell from the stuff I looked at that they were selling to licensed dealers---I thought they were selling to the public, beyond state lines.

Thanks for your taking the time to enlighten me on it. And subsequent posts make it clear that they are out to distance themselves from active outdoorsmen and people who want to be safe in their homes, as well as hobbyists, etc.


I was avoiding Citibank LONG before this, btw. The way they abuse and manipulate consumers lost me years ago. That, and the fact that their company is not well run.


Again, thanks.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


If they transfered it from FFL to FFL it would be considered a face-to-face transaction, as the FFL's would see the face of the person buying the gun.

What this letter means is that the company was just mailing guns to people's houses across state lines, which is illegal. If I were a creditor I would have done the same thing. So would any creditor that was following the advice of a lawyer worth his wait in mud.

Anyways. Dang... I was hoping I'd be the first person to make the "Didn't anybody read the whole letter" post... Curse you people who pay attention and steal my thunder!

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
It gets shipped to a local FFL and then transfered to me.

That's the key part right there, isn't it though?

The understanding is that the weapon 'seller' is giving the weapon to someone who should verify that the weapon is being transfered to someone authorized to own the weapon.

You don't want a 13 year old kid getting on-line, buying a gun, and then taking it to school and shooting someone.

reply to post by DCFusion


Last I knew mail order gun selling didn't exist anymore as you are describing it. It would be like me selling crack or kiddie porn through a website and using Paypal for the transactions. The laws being broken have nothing to do with Paypal.

If somebody is really just selling guns (with the exception of pre-1899 firearms which are exempt from federal restrictions) there is a greater problem here. Why does Citi know some guy is buying guns mail-order and apparently the fed does not? Citi shouldn't have to take any action as the ATF would be all over the sellers ass about this.

I've been checking out CDNN Sports mentioned in the letter and they don't sell guns. I don't know if they did just before the letter but they as it appears now they don't sell guns.

www.cdnninvestments.com...


There is an FFL speciffic site but it requires registration just like any manufacturers FFL order site: cdnn.powerfulhosting.com...


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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Last I knew mail order gun selling didn't exist anymore as you are describing it. It would be like me selling crack or kiddie porn through a website and using Paypal for the transactions. The laws being broken have nothing to do with Paypal.

Well, you can't really compare selling crack to firearms. Crack is just illegal no matter what.

Maybe I am missing something, but I think the way that it works is that you shop online and find a gun you like. You purchase it and the on-line store sends it to an authorized 'distributor (for lack of a better term), who then gives the gun to you after making sure you can own the gun.

In this case, as I read it, Citibank terminated the contract because the seller was selling guns directly to the purchaser without using an authorized 'distributor'. That is, the on-line seller could not verify in any way that they were giving the gun to someone who could actually own the gun.

reply to post by DCFusion


The letter says:

...the act prohibits the selling of a handgun to a resident of another state.

Referring to:

the Gun Control Act

I assume it's referring to the Gun Control Act of 1968.

From the Gun Control Act of 1968:

(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce;

Having an FFL makes them licensed. The Citi letter makes no mention of licensing.

The letter continues:

Shipping across state lines is also banned, yrt guns for sale online reach people across the country.

Again the letter ignores licensing.

The Letter

Gun Control Act of 1968

"In this case, as I read it, Citibank terminated the contract because the seller was selling guns directly to the purchaser without using an authorized 'distributor'. That is, the on-line seller could not verify in any way that they were giving the gun to someone who could actually own the gun."

The person above me hit the nail on the head. First off, the first source is not the most credible. This is a one-time incident, it says so: "The first company to be affected by this decision appears to be firearms distributor CDNN Sports Inc." Has this happened to anyone else? This seems like an incident where they did the right thing. If they could not confirm who was getting the gun why would they give the OK? It could have gone in the hands of anyone? With the recent rash public shootings it only makes sence. It doesnt seem like they provided all of the proper information.

This happened one time. I would refrain from making acccusations until this is something that has happened to more than 1 person. Jumping to conclusions on a one time incident with an unreliable source doesnt make a good post. Maybe next time...

Though I do believe we are slowly losing our rights it takes more than one time to convince me.

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Originally posted by gabriel5578
"In this case, as I read it, Citibank terminated the contract because the seller was selling guns directly to the purchaser without using an authorized 'distributor'. That is, the on-line seller could not verify in any way that they were giving the gun to someone who could actually own the gun."

Is there another letter posted in this thread somewhere?
Nowhere does the letter make any mention of either the seller or buyer being "authorized" or not. Nowhere in the letter does Citi make the claim that this FFL dealer was shipping firearms to non FFL dealers.

For the information presented in Citi's letter to hold up in court the dealer in question would have to not have an FFL or be shipping directly to customers without FFL's.

Am I missing some info here?

This might be a stupid observation, but if they were selling the guns directly to the customer over the internet, and mailing it to them, then anybody to pick up the gun right?

I mean if I stole someones name, and SS#, and gave them my shipping address or the abandoned house next door, then I could leave a not on the door for UPS to just leave it on the porch.

Whats the name of the company that was doing this? I think I read about doing this in the anarchist hand book.

Seriously though, if its not going from FFL to FFL and shipping directly, they should be more concerned about law enforcement cause they just broke a buttload of laws.

Cheers,

Camain

reply to post by mrmonsoon


interesting---they(citibank) have been sending me letters for years trying to hook me into their cards--saw recently where they are in financial difficulties---i presenly reside in canada where they(the government) will not permitt me to own a gun legally anyhow--yet if i go down to the tavern or the indian reserve or contact some soldiers in this town where i live , i could come out equipped like the terminator for next to nothing price wise but armed to start a war--not that i want to--but thats the reality.

I strongly believe that, barring an outside infusion of cash, Citibank will be out of business within the next two years.

I hope that none of their executives ever finds another job again.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
CitiBank Refuses gun transactions

Who are they to tell us what we spend out money on.

If you think their high and might anti-gun crap is wrong, get rid of their cards/bank accounts.

Tell everyone you know to do the same.


The letter from them


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Did you by any chance vote for Bush? I know what you're thinking, " what difference does that make"? Well? Any reply?

Originally posted by pc is here

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
CitiBank Refuses gun transactions

Who are they to tell us what we spend out money on.

If you think their high and might anti-gun crap is wrong, get rid of their cards/bank accounts.

Tell everyone you know to do the same.


The letter from them


[edit on 1/8/2008 by mrmonsoon]

[edit on 1/8/2008 by mrmonsoon]

Did you by any chance vote for Bush? I know what you're thinking, " what difference does that make"? Well? Any reply?

Excuse my stupidity. The Devil crushed my skull before you were born. Really. I'm OK, but have that weirdness associated with clairvoyants with an early life (severe) head injury. If you get a gun don't shoot your family or friends with it. The credit card people? Well, like the rest of us, they're in their own world. --------PC

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let me get this straight citibank which has been linked to laudering drug cartel money for decades now won't let you buy a firearm legaly thru online store. what a bunch of f@#$ing hypocrites.

Correction, they won't let you buy a gun illegally.

Originally posted by mattifikation
Correction, they won't let you buy a gun illegally.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Hello everyone CDNN does not sell guns illegally. Citibank either does not understand federal law or is using this as a convenient excuse to terminate gun related agreements like fleabay and gaypal.

Read before you blabber:
newsgroups.derkeiler.com...

I've been buying from CDNN for years and they would laugh me off the phone if I asked them to ship a gun direct.

Before you throw your 2 cents, understand gun law.

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Civility and Decorum are Required

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