Who has the best Special Forces ?

Yeah WebDevil longtime no see. I was kinda buzy here. Israels I got to agree are very good. They arer very battle proven. Their numbers are not to big though.

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I will put my opinion in for the Korean Rock Marines. Just what I have heard from people. I dont know any stories about them right off hand.

Originally posted by crossfire
Scotch eh? - didn't know - I like the Scotch too!

Will ye have a wee drink wi' me och aye the noo?

That guy from Austin powers - he's Scotch - funny guy

Hope you're not planning to travel to Glasgow anytime soon, we'd surely miss your posts!

Originally posted by TheLastProphet

I belileve the Corporate special forces are the best!!! They have perks and even lear jets for their independent contractors....LOL....

Actually your not too far off there. A lot of those guys are ex SF. There are some contractors (aka Mercs) that have been known to take over entire governments in places like Africa.

U.S Army Rangers, Delta Force is composed of the best of the best Army Rangers.
U.S Airborne Rangers, which my Dad was one for 30+ yrs.--Hands Down the best!

Originally posted by Knightmare
U.S Army Rangers, Delta Force is composed of the best of the best Army Rangers.
U.S Airborne Rangers, which my Dad was one for 30+ yrs.--Hands Down the best!

I'm not specifically denigrating your old man but I stand by my assertion that any unit where Sergeants yell commands cannot be called "special forces". In my not-particularly humble opinion US Rangers are little more than light infantry, not much different to Irish Rangers. I'd put the RMC ahead of 75 Rangers.

Delta is a different matter.

Actually, Delta is not made up of Rangers. They are made up of all the Army specialties. That in itself is what makes them elite. I will never say that the members of the 75th Ranger Bats are not in some ways elite, but you must remember that not every one the 75th's members are actually Ranger School qualified. NCO's and Officers are for sure, but young Privates through Specialists are often just Infantry grunts--though from then on they are highly trained grunts.

I also wonder if it has any bearing when you compare a nation's Special Forces that many countries have groups made up from all military branches where in the U.S. Each service has it's own SF group/s?

Finally, I've had the privilege to work with members of the United States Marine Corps. I'd nominate them as the best of the best Infantry combat force in the world. I don't think any military force has ever earned as fearful of a reputation as the USMC. And that's saying a lot coming from an Army Sergeant.

There is nothing great about special forces anywhere is there?
They're all mind controlled freaks who have their sexual traits and energy sublimated and diverted into sadistic and homicidal activities
Anti-human, anti-God-feeling, narrow-minded little perverts one and all
Servile little masturbators over S&M porn with frozen hearts, small shrivelled penises and no hope or optimism for humankind
Servants of Satanic worshipers and blood-drinkers
Pity them - they have nothing going for them except karmic instruction for them the next time around
Which would include the suffering they've dealt
This goes for them all, worldwide

I still believe it is a first-place tie between British SAS, Ukrainian spetsnaz, Russian spetsnaz, Polish GROM, and Belarusian spetsnaz. 2nd-place is German GSG-9. All Slavic and European teams seem to be the top ranks.

[edit on 27-10-2004 by TheRussianPoljak]

Originally posted by dh
There is nothing great about special forces anywhere is there?
They're all mind controlled freaks who have their sexual traits and energy sublimated and diverted into sadistic and homicidal activities
Anti-human, anti-God-feeling, narrow-minded little perverts one and all
Servile little masturbators over S&M porn with frozen hearts, small shrivelled penises and no hope or optimism for humankind
Servants of Satanic worshipers and blood-drinkers
Pity them - they have nothing going for them except karmic instruction for them the next time around
Which would include the suffering they've dealt
This goes for them all, worldwide

wow looks like this thread hit a bad nerve with someone.
dude these are the guys protecting you.

almost all of the special forces train and corss train with one another so i would imagine they are fairly similar, The Australian SAS is probably the most versatile because its all we really have and so has to be able to take on roles that the slightly separate Navy Seals/SBS do in other countries, but really its splitting hairs when you come down to it.

Well, you can't really say one is better then the other. Much like asking if a brain surgeon is better then a heart surgeon. All are good at what they do. For example the U.S army rangers train primarily for performing lightning fast assaults/raids and capturing airports/large targets, so in this respect they're better then the Navy Seals and SAS. Where as Navy Seals primarily train for maritime operations and direct action missions with a light amount of equipment and a very few amount of operators so in this respect they're better then Army Rangers and SAS. In truth most special forces can perform each others missions. Anyways i would say the special forces that interest me the most and my favorite would be the navy seals, cuz they have the most difficult military training+screening(theres a reason why people say this) and they were generally accepted in the spec ops community as the most effective special forces unit in Vietnam. Also the unit they derive from which is the Underwater Demolition Teams had it rough. Sure it must have been hell being a spec forces unit such as SAS/Delta/Ranger on the ground, but at least they had equipment and weapons. Where as the UDT had no equipment other then swim fins and a scuba mask and had to swim miles out to beaches in WW2 and Korea (that were usually defended by several MG emplacements and obstacles) and then demolish the obstacles(usually getting shot at and killed in the process) so others can land there. Plus they are the most comfortable in the water and water is the most difficult element to fight in warfare, every branch of the military considers water an obstacle even the marines, where as the SEALS are one of the few spec ops units that use water as a refuge rather then an obstacle.

wow looks like this thread hit a bad nerve with someone.
dude these are the guys protecting you.

No these people may think they're doing that, and you may think they're doing that. In fact my turn of phrase was just a little colourful, but yes it did hit a raw nerve. It must be remembered that Delta is the mind-progamming code for assassination after all

These folks, the special forces, are really protecting the interests of people quite unlike me, those who are very rich and powerful, and in the process killing people who are quite like me, ordinary joes, who have the misfortune to live in poverty stricken and war-torn areas, which those rich and powerful see as holding strategic or material advantage to be dominated or controlled through endless conflict and war

Originally posted by TheLastProphet

I belileve the Corporate special forces are the best!!! They have perks and even lear jets for their independent contractors....LOL....

LOL thats funny. More like a sccoter with a broken horn...

Al-Qaeda

If you look on the other side of the coin.We have been discussing sf from around the world,but if you consider that the members of Al-Queda view themselves as soliders fighting the west you have to give them some credit for the tactics,methods and there ability to evade capture.
They have proven themselves to be capable of fighting in most countries around the world inflicting death and destruction don`t take this the wrong way as l am not a supporter and firmly believe there arses should be removed as quickly as possible using as much violence as possible,but l also have a respect for there abillites and structure.They are managing to escape capture from the worlds best intelligence and millitary agencies.
If you were to take a handful of Delta or Sas , Asas would they be capable of the same.
Spetsnaz would have come close twenty years ago as there role in the cold war was to invade behind enemy lines before the outbreak of war and cripple the West infastructure such as govt buildings,power stations and military bases to prevent the country from functioning to its full capacity.They were tasked to destroy the underground bunkers setup around the countries for local govt early warning and communications.They were trained to operate without supplies from Russia and had to supply themselves using sleeper agents put in place years before.
I think Al Qaeda who granted is a Terrorist Organisation could well fit the defenition of Special Forces

Originally posted by dh



No these people may think they're doing that, and you may think they're doing that. In fact my turn of phrase was just a little colourful, but yes it did hit a raw nerve. It must be remembered that Delta is the mind-progamming code for assassination after all

These folks, the special forces, are really protecting the interests of people quite unlike me, those who are very rich and powerful, and in the process killing people who are quite like me, ordinary joes, who have the misfortune to live in poverty stricken and war-torn areas, which those rich and powerful see as holding strategic or material advantage to be dominated or controlled through endless conflict and war

these folk are made up of people like YOU and ME. hell do you think these people enjoy killing? NO.
really proof? or is this just "logic"
so the SF guys go into say bosnia and kill civies for the advantage of holding the area?
no most SF are used for reacon mainly they are trained highly for combat but they prefer stealth and discretness, but when they go loud. it gets LOUD.
rich and powerful eh , so what would you suggest? that we disband the services and let nations take our land?

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by dh



No these people may think they're doing that, and you may think they're doing that. In fact my turn of phrase was just a little colourful, but yes it did hit a raw nerve. It must be remembered that Delta is the mind-progamming code for assassination after all

These folks, the special forces, are really protecting the interests of people quite unlike me, those who are very rich and powerful, and in the process killing people who are quite like me, ordinary joes, who have the misfortune to live in poverty stricken and war-torn areas, which those rich and powerful see as holding strategic or material advantage to be dominated or controlled through endless conflict and war

these folk are made up of people like YOU and ME. hell do you think these people enjoy killing? NO.
really proof? or is this just "logic"
so the SF guys go into say bosnia and kill civies for the advantage of holding the area?
no most SF are used for reacon mainly they are trained highly for combat but they prefer stealth and discretness, but when they go loud. it gets LOUD.
rich and powerful eh , so what would you suggest? that we disband the services and let nations take our land?

Yup - these guys are trained for combat, but they do not understand which master or plan they serve
They may be highly impressive guys in terms of skills and sheer force
But they have no self-determination - they are pure automatons at the service of agendas
Most of them have chosen their course through some kind of childhood traumatisation, and their adult training renders them expert in subterfuge and killing
There is nothing worthy in surrendering your humanity for a robotoid existence
You are being made a jerk of by those in control
You are being used for their unworthy ends

Yup - these guys are trained for combat, but they do not understand which master or plan they serve
They may be highly impressive guys in terms of skills and sheer force
But they have no self-determination - they are pure automatons at the service of agendas
Most of them have chosen their course through some kind of childhood traumatisation, and their adult training renders them expert in subterfuge and killing
There is nothing worthy in surrendering your humanity for a robotoid existence
You are being made a jerk of by those in control
You are being used for their unworthy ends

Somebody of the meds then.
So who`s in control come on you dieing to tell us
And wheres your evidence that they`ve been traumatised in our childhood

[edit on 28-10-2004 by weirdo]

Originally posted by weirdo

Yup - these guys are trained for combat, but they do not understand which master or plan they serve
They may be highly impressive guys in terms of skills and sheer force
But they have no self-determination - they are pure automatons at the service of agendas
Most of them have chosen their course through some kind of childhood traumatisation, and their adult training renders them expert in subterfuge and killing
There is nothing worthy in surrendering your humanity for a robotoid existence
You are being made a jerk of by those in control
You are being used for their unworthy ends

Somebody of the meds then.
So who`s in control come on you dieing to tell us

And wheres your evidence that we`ve been traumatised in our childhood

I think we know who's in control - without you taking the piss cos it's so easy- it's those who benefit in resource and power from world events
As for childhood traumatisation - only those from a generically hate-filled family could want to pick up a gun and go and kill another human being without knowing why
If the threat is immediate and on your doorstep, that's different
It might well involve an officer and a Fed or two
Not that I would for a minute advocate that - we want peace in the world
The Special Forces are merely the wedge that promotes chaos
Whatever their special abilities, we've nothing to thank them for

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[edit on 28-10-2004 by dh]

Originally posted by dh
Yup - these guys are trained for combat, but they do not understand which master or plan they serve
But they have no self-determination - they are pure automatons at the service of agendas
Most of them have chosen their course through some kind of childhood traumatisation, and their adult training renders them expert in subterfuge and killing
There is nothing worthy in surrendering your humanity for a robotoid existence
You are being made a jerk of by those in control
You are being used for their unworthy ends

they are trained to fight a dirty war because no one else can or will.
they serve the military, the military serve the head of state and the YOU elect the head of state. enough said.
no self determination? are you kidding me?
yomp 30 miles in 8 hours with full kit needs self determination and THAT isnt even the real SF course.
really? so every one of them has had a bad childhood eh? doubt it. they come from all walks. rich ,poor, middle class and working.
they are not robots they have feelings,emotions , memories. hell the ex-SF guys in africa chased rapers and pillagers and murders all across the country, although only paid to destroy the enemy. the corp SF teams hunted down the bad guys and made them pay, they vowed never to let any scenes like the ones they seen go unavenged.....
i am being used , but i can make a diffrence so can you and anyone. tis better to make a diffrence and be a pawn than to be a knight and not make a diffrence.
i am being made a jerk .....exsplain?