NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz, page 28

Originally posted by Novise
This is interesting.

How would one go about listening to music with 432 HZ instead of 440?

This seems to be the method:
RIPP your original CD with CDRipper:
Then use: "Audacity"
Search text audacity on link below for the method:
www.godlikeproductions.com...

The software can be found on:
audacity.sourceforge.net...

If there are more methods, then please post them in this Thread.



[edit on 3-5-2008 by hawk123]

Audacity screenshots for conversion from 440 to 432 can be found on:

www.niburu.nl...

Message below must resonance the whole world to 432.

Bobby, great thread! It's simply fantastic! I've been into sound for more than 8 of my almost 21 years, so I'm really fascinated by the subject. WD!

For all you experimenting with pitch shifters and timestretchers the percentage to drop the pitch is to 98.18181818(18)% [432/440*100], that's a change by -1.81818181(81)%.

The change in pitch is very low, and most people will never notice. Also, these manipulations are best heard on electronic music, not your favourite golden oldies due to the fact that computer sound generators generate the A-440 and use it for calibrating to other notes.

I've attached three short sound files of my manipulations to a song by Origin Unknown called "Valley of the Shadows"; basically I'm pretty sure that it was completely written using synths (synthesizers (sp)) based on the A-440Hz margin and not sampled from old records.


File 1: Original version at 440Hz
File 2: Edited version at 432Hz (high quality and high precision, took over 20(!) minutes to process a 1 min 10 sec file)
File 3: A switch from 440Hz to 432Hz at 25 sec, back at 40 sec, and down again at 51 sec. So you can hear the contrast.


After listening to it I felt the 432 version was kinda' 'bent out of place', I don't really like it. Maybe it's because our brains are adjusted and got used to the 440Hz base, or perhaps it's the effect of this particular song, I'll be experimenting with other songs and let you know if I get some results.


P.S.: By the way if you mix both files (1 and 2) and listen to them synchronized you'll hear a Chorus Effect at 8 cycles per second I believe.


Edit to add:

Here's a pretty good Frequency-to-note convertion site:

Cents to Frequency Calculator

So basically, all synths have a TONE OFFSET feature in the settings, which is set in CENTS (100 cents = 1 semitone).
An offset of 8Hz is -31.766653633429414 cents, roughly -32 cents will get your electric pianos as close to the A-432Hz base as possible (i.e. 431.9417763085722Hz). Let's tune 32 cents down

[edit on 5/5/08 by MastaG]

This is what I've sculpted in my sequencer, it's just a sketch done in 15 minutes. I kept all the notes hitting the A note, and an arpegio going up and down the octave.

I've rendered 2 versions, one A-440, for the A-432 version I simply shifted the Master Tone down by 32 cents.

Indeed, strange as it may seem, the 432Hz version makes my spine sort of resonate and get warm, pretty nice feeling. But still the 432 version sounds wrong at times...

Debating the Concert Pitch - A-440 Version
Debating the Concert Pitch - A-432 Version

Please let me know how it feels...

Edit to Add:

Interesting:
P.S.: An average human ear and brain will notice an abrupt frequency offset of not less than 4-8Hz. By abrupt I mean sudden change in pitch. A trained piano tuner can notice a change in pitch of 1.3-2Hz! Now ain't that cool?

[edit on 5/5/08 by MastaG]

reply to post by Herbal Oli

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Judging by the reaction to the tests posted above, I doubt it!

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Herbal Oli

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Judging by the reaction to the tests posted above, I doubt it!

Dave, have you actually played at 432Hz?

reply to post by SkipShipman

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How did your experiment go? Perhaps you could post your results somewhere (youtube or something.) - though it would be nice to have good sound, not sure if youtube is the best route in light of the topic of 'quality music'.

Peace

dAlen

reply to post by dAlen

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dAlen, just tune down each of your machine heads (or pegheads, tuning keys, tuning machines, tuners whatever you call them).
Use digital tuners (for example 'PC software + microphone' are pretty good) to check on your tuning. Pluck the string - watch the frequency you get...

You can find all the frequencies for each note of every octave here:

www.phy.mtu.edu...

simply subtract 8Hz to tune into the A-432Hz base.


Edit to Add:

I'm still trying to calculate the resonating frequencies. The 432Hz frequency doesn't seem to be fundamental frequency. Does anyone know the fundamental frequency of everything around us?

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 11/5/08 by MastaG]

reply to post by Herbal Oli

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Oli, 432Hz is thus not the fundamental frequency (natural frequency) of everything around, it's just ONE of the multiple resonating frequencies.

To find the natural frequency we have to divide 432Hz (if indeed it does resonate everything around us) by the largest possible factor to get a WHOLE NUMBER. I've been trying to do that for the past 1 hour. I never paid attention to my Maths teacher...

Here we go...

432/27 = 16Hz
432/54 = 8Hz
432/108 = 4Hz
432/216 = 2Hz

If I have not understood the basics of resonance yet (I paid no attention to my Physics teacher aswell..) :

16Hz will resonate at 432Hz
8Hz will resonate at 432Hz
2Hz will also resonate at 432Hz

What is the natural frequency? 2Hz? 16Hz? 32Hz? or 432Hz?

And here's another tough part: if indeed 432Hz resonates everything around us, then WHAT ARE THE OTHER FREQUENCIES?

If the natural frequency of everything is 2Hz then our music should be played at tones 4Hz, 8Hz, 16Hz, 32Hz, and so on... to be in resonance with "everything"

If the natural frequency of everything is 3Hz, then our music should be played at tonal frequencies of 6Hz, 12Hz, 24Hz, etc...

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED MYSELF... ..I MIGHT BE TALKING BS but I'm surely doing some technical tests analyzing frequencies with my sinewave generators, mixers and oscilloscopes...

Edit To Add:

Systems with one degree of freedom, such as a mass on a spring, pendulums, balance wheels, and LC tuned circuits have one resonance frequency. Systems with two degrees of freedom, such as coupled pendulums and resonant transformers can have two resonance frequencies. Extended objects that experience resonance due to vibrations inside them are called resonators, such as organ pipes, vibrating strings, quartz crystals, microwave cavities, and laser rods. Since these can be viewed as being made of millions of coupled moving parts (such as atoms), they can have millions of resonance frequencies.

So how can we find these millions of resonance frequencies?

Resonance @ Wikipedia

[edit on 12/5/08 by MastaG]

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