Not Everyone Got It Wrong!

Originally posted by Esoterica

You're making the common mistake that the NWO exists.

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by Esoterica]

NWO is just the OWO rearranging the furniture. there is only one ruling force in the world, and it has been that way for AT LEAST the last hundred years, and more likely the last 1700, or maybe even 309,000. the NWO is just a new name for the old boy's club.

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Esoterica

You're making the common mistake that the NWO exists.

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by Esoterica]

NWO is just the OWO rearranging the furniture. there is only one ruling force in the world, and it has been that way for AT LEAST the last hundred years, and more likely the last 1700, or maybe even 309,000. the NWO is just a new name for the old boy's club.

309,000 years? Was there a one-world government controlling the loincloth market?

Originally posted by Esoterica
309,000 years? Was there a one-world government controlling the loincloth market?

the descent of the human soul into physicality, actually. busy-ness is just a distraction which keeps your soul attached to dense three dimensional reality. materialism. matter and matters.

p.s. i don't believe this, but i don't disbelieve it either. on the other hand, the last one hundred years is well documented for those with informational hip-waders.

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Esoterica
309,000 years? Was there a one-world government controlling the loincloth market?

the descent of the human soul into physicality, actually. busy-ness is just a distraction which keeps your soul attached to dense three dimensional reality. materialism. matter and matters.

p.s. i don't believe this, but i don't disbelieve it either. on the other hand, the last one hundred years is well documented for those with informational hip-waders.

Oh, you're one of those people.



So am I

Originally posted by medic
Hmm...good post, but all the same we are still out here and people are still living in the past on this. I'm not saying thatitshouldn't be investigated, but it's really getting out of hand. People should focus more on current events. just my opinions though.

But there is a reason for the need for revenge and enmity, it is to hide their true intentions for this country of which the average citizen would be afraid to hear. Socialism.

Originally posted by Esoterica
Yes, I have. It's remained roughly the same from last year, maybe increased a bit. But nothing that didn't occur in the years before the invasion.
Gasoline companies don't make money by hoarding, they make it by selling. And a sudden influx of all this supposed oily spoils of war would drive the prices down. Since they have not, the logical conclusion is that we are NOT getting large amounts of free oil from Iraq.

Not yet. But the price gouging will continue, no matter what they do or don't get. I'd bet my life on it. People are so used to it now, they'll pay anything. Do you really think the petro companies aren't going to take advantage of that? They know that people have no choice. It's not like they're going to say, "That's it! I'm not buying gas anymore!"

Originally posted by Satyr
Not yet. But the price gouging will continue, no matter what they do or don't get. I'd bet my life on it. People are so used to it now, they'll pay anything. Do you really think the petro companies aren't going to take advantage of that? They know that people have no choice. It's not like they're going to say, "That's it! I'm not buying gas anymore!"

Carpools. Public transportation. People definitely will say "I'm not buying gas anymore" if they can't afford it.

And what is this "Price Gouging" you're talking about? You wanna see price gouging, so look at some gas stations after 9/11, when they thought there could be a shortage. There were places selling gas for 3 bucks a gallon. They changed it quick when nobody came to them.

What's occuring now is not price gouging. Raising gas prices by a few cents every now and then, then lowering them again, is not gouging. Sure, a few statiosn here and there may decide to try to screw us over, but the majority of them are smarter than that.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Former Gulf war vet and Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter, along with his colleagues from Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) had it right all along. And no one in the mainstream media, government and White House paid any attention to them and their warnings. The war in Iraq was pre-ordained and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9-11 or WMD.

In Ritter's own words:

Not everyone got it wrong on Iraq's weapons

The missing WMD

By Scott Ritter

Friday, February 6, 2004: (IHT) WASHINGTON: 'We were all wrong," David Kay, the Bush administration's former top weapons sleuth in Iraq, recently told members of Congress after acknowledging that there were probably no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Kay insisted that the blame for the failure to find any such weapons lay with the U.S. intelligence community, which, according to Kay, provided inaccurate assessments.

The Kay remarks appear to be an attempt to spin potentially damaging data to the political advantage of President George W. Bush.
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Scott Ritter....hmmm....credible?
If so, in regards to "Not Everyone Got it Wrong", has anyone seen the latest from Mr. Scott Ritter?
Here:

"'Kerry's a Phony', says Scott Ritter"
Link: (will need to join) Riigghhhttt....
www.rushlimbaugh.com...

Article:

"Many people have been asking, "Where's Scott Ritter?" Well, ask no more. The former Iraq weapons inspector, who was arrested after being nabbed twice for soliciting what he thought were 14- and 16-year-old girls but turned out to be undercover cops in an online chat room, has written a column for New York Newsday on the weapons of mass destruction question. It's headlined: "Kerry, Too, Needs to Clear the Air."

Ritter recounts Kerry's "pious rectitude" in attacking President Bush on the intelligence on Saddam Hussein's WMDs, but then drops this blockbuster: "The problem for Sen. Kerry, of course, is that he, too, is culpable in the massive breach of public trust that has come to light regarding Iraq, WMD and the rush to war." I'm by no means condoning Ritter's editorializing about this war, but I am pointing out that he thinks Kerry guilty of this "massive breach of public trust."

Kerry had a chance to stand up and say, "It's all BS." Instead, he voted for the liberation and is only now changing his tune. This is reminiscent of then-Senator Al Gore selling his vote for the first Gulf War to then-Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole because Dole promised him more TV time to grandstand. Ritter states: "John Kerry seems to share in this culpability, and if he wants to be the next president of the United States, he must first convince the American people that his actions somehow differ from those of the man he seeks to replace."

Ritter writes that when he lobbied Congress for a review of the nation's Iraq policy in April 2000, he spoke to Kerry who asked him to put claims of "hyped-up intelligence regarding the threat posed by Iraq's WMD" in writing. Ritter had the Arms Control Association send "several copies" to Kerry, then sent one of his own. The senator never responded. This guy's point is that Kerry knew everything Bush knew. The press put Ritter on as a guest 24/7 when he made these same charges about the president. Let's see if they do the same now that the very same guy is slamming John F. Kerry."




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Seekerof]

We came, we saw, and liberated a bunch of under developed monkeys.

Methinks Little geroge had some push from Dad, and 9-11 was just the excuse.

Most Iraqi people are happy about it. Obviously, the militants aren't.

Originally posted by Esoterica

Carpools. Public transportation. People definitely will say "I'm not buying gas anymore" if they can't afford it.

Carpools! Give me a break! They aren't even realistic for most people! Don't even get me started on this. This state has a #ing carpool lane that's always practically empty because it's supposed to be incentive to carpool. Really, it just allows people who aren't carpooling, but happen to have two or more in the car, the privilege to drive in that sacred #ing lane! That's a sore spot for me, while I'm stuck in traffic. Oh, and try catching a damn bus 35 miles away from your office when it's 10 degrees outside. Guess what? The bus doesn't come to my house, nor does it go to the area where I work. They only go to bus stops. Sorry, unless you live and work in a big city, and/or work with your neighbors, neither is feasible.

And what is this "Price Gouging" you're talking about? You wanna see price gouging, so look at some gas stations after 9/11, when they thought there could be a shortage. There were places selling gas for 3 bucks a gallon. They changed it quick when nobody came to them.

What's occuring now is not price gouging. Raising gas prices by a few cents every now and then, then lowering them again, is not gouging. Sure, a few statiosn here and there may decide to try to screw us over, but the majority of them are smarter than that.

I don't know where you live, but it's a hell of alot more than "a few cents". It fluctuates a good 30 cents here. Lately it's been hanging close to $1.70. But hey, what other product can you change the price of every other day, depending on how you feel? What the hell do you suppose is the purpose? IMO, it just prepares people to pay the higher price without as much price shock when they decide to keep it there. I don't know about you, but I remember when gas was $1.35 and stayed there, just last year. Supposedly we never bought much fuel from the middle east, so what the hell does 9/11 have to do with anything?

[edit] It went from $1.52 to $1.75 today. That's not price gouging?

[Edited on 2-13-2004 by Satyr]

Why are we even arguing over whose fault the intelligenmce was, when its a moot point?

The blame game.....its pretty obvious, since Bush was planning the Iraq invasion when he took office. Faulty intelligence. And how about that 9/11 commision thats getting dusted under the carpet?

All you pro Iraq war junkies.....I TOLD YOU SO. The war was a fraud. Now, they admit there are no WMD in Iraq...same thing Ive been telling you, well, since this bull# started. Dont take a genius, ya know!

But I am glad this is all turning out like it is: the whitehouse is finally on the defensive. For once, Bush is looking more and more like the rat he is, and his lackeys....the only people hard core supporting them are the religous right.

But if you want me to spell it out for you:

Daddy Bush was director of the CIA for HOW long? The CIA/Bush connection are pretty much the same. Cheney was Sec of Defense while daddy Bush was prez.

Add it up folks. It aint that hard. Now you all know for a fact this war was a miserable fraud. And dont give me this bull# about how the WMD lie justified removing Saddam Hussein. I dont care how many people he gassed, or how mean he was. There is nothing in Iraq that justifies the numerous body bags of US soldiers piling up, who all signed up to defend thier country, and instead, got sent to some middle eastern backwards #hole to die for nefarious plans.

I dont care about the Iraqis or thier quality of life, I do not care about "ruthless dictators", nor do I give two #s about anythiung else in that gods forsaken dump of a region. Those soldiers belong here at home, guarding the country they signed up to defend, the country they would rather be defending and living in. We have thousands of miles of undefended borders that INS cant control, and those soldiers would be much happier and better spent on those borders.

Screw Iraq. Impeach Bush. Bring them home. And # the middle east!

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Those soldiers belong here at home, guarding the country they signed up to defend, the country they would rather be defending and living in. We have thousands of miles of undefended borders that INS cant control, and those soldiers would be much happier and better spent on those borders.

Screw Iraq. Impeach Bush. Bring them home. And # the middle east!

yeah, man. you don't defend america from half way around the world. that is called aggresion, invasion and imperialism.

p.s. watch out for canada! with all the beer drinking up there, they're always gassing their own people.

Watch out for Canada indeed. They let anyone into that country, terrorists included, and they in turn skip across our border to here. yes, we must watch out for Canada as well. But thats beside the point. The Canadian border can be better patrolled if the troops were home. And not in the middle east.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Why are we even arguing over whose fault the intelligenmce was, when its a moot point?

The blame game.....its pretty obvious, since Bush was planning the Iraq invasion when he took office. Faulty intelligence. And how about that 9/11 commision thats getting dusted under the carpet?

All you pro Iraq war junkies.....I TOLD YOU SO. The war was a fraud. Now, they admit there are no WMD in Iraq...same thing Ive been telling you, well, since this bull# started. Dont take a genius, ya know!

Quit looking where the media tells you all to look. Skadi's right. It was not an intelligence failure! Wake up! Cheney and Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans knew EXACTLY what they were doing. Cherry picking the intel they wanted to suit their agenda. Plain and simple.

Great to see you're back, SKADI!