Originally posted by coven
The cop should be charged with child endangerment for the two girls abandoned in the Wal-mart... And Psychological damage to those children as well.

These are excellent points !

This is ultimately a Psychological operation executed by the state.

"we are watching you...you must submit to our will..we know what is best for you and your child" --YIKES !!!!

How about a nice law suit against WalMart?

Walmart did willfully create an unlawful and menacing nuisance by displaying a "money drop" near a parking lot full of innocent children traveling with their parents.

Walmart then enticed the parents of these innocent children with a colorful "song and dance" routine designed specifically to draw the parent out of the safety of their vehicles for the sole purpose of monetary gain.

Walmart's continued practice of wealth redistribution led directly to massive child endangerment incidents

Could it have been possible for the cop to check the scene and determine the actual level of endangerment?

Then, confront the parent with his concern about the possibility that the child may have been distressed.

The fact that this cop could have made the decision, that the best way to "serve and protect" this sleeping 2 year old was to arrest the mother and abandon the other children, seems at best a poor judgment and boarders on criminal neglect

The state seems to have an agenda of separating parents from their children

I would like to remind those talking about heat related deaths that this mother stated she did not want to risk taking the child out in the sleet. In case you live in a climate that doesn't experience sleet, that's small ice pellets with a bit of snow.

I really don't think heat was an issue. Unless of course the mother in typical Christmas Story fashion had wrapped the child in so many layers of clothing she couldn't put her arms down. In which case, how dare she?! ...

Well here are my thoughts
I will never leave my child in a car alone no matter how long I am gone. Once when she was five I left her in a locked car for maybe a minute and a half while I ran into a store, I grabbed a carton of milk and was the only person in line so it could not have been more then that. When I came out she had covered herself in her jacket and was sobbing, in that short period of time someone had tried to break into our car, I didn't see anyone around, so that's how fast they were. However, if I had not of had that experience I probably still would leave my child in a car for periods less then 5 minutes. For that police officer to leave the other children unattended is just beyond me. I don't see how there was any need to handcuff her or take her away from the kids for any amount of time. She deserves an apology.

I'll tell y'all what. I have a 9-year-old little girl. Taking her out of the car and putting her back in is hard for us because she's physically handicapped and uses a very heavy power-wheelchair that CANNOT be loaded and unloaded into the vehicles we have by only one person. Therefore, we have the travel-chair which is a ten-minute ordeal getting the chair out, unfolded, the kid in it, and then repeated in reverse when returning to the car. If I go out with the kid and not my wife. I'm leaving the kid in the car while I...

Get gas.
Pick up a pack of smokes.
Run in and pay a bill.

Horrible? No, I also find that any fear is disuaded because I add one simple thing to the mix.

<---------- Her.

I bring the dog too. My dog tells everyone they're too close to my car, whether or not the kid is in there. If the dog's there, my kid is safe. Add to that, I lock the doors and take the keys with me.

Forget car alarms, I got good old Sallie Derra in the backseat.

Cuhail

[edit on 12/14/2007 by Cuhail]

Sheesh. Fishy? She parked right where you pick up the X-mas Trees in front of a Wal-Mart, right next to the guy ringing the bell and watching the red bucket. She was going to take a picture of her two older daughters (8-9 Y-O) and their friend drop $8.00 into the S.A donation bucket. She was right there. The cop lady was right there. What on EARTH is going to happen in that 2 minutes? Under those circumstances?
I'm sure we can all think up some horrible, terrible event that could somehow take place.
It was the cop. She said she was sick -SICK of all these suburban moms and She (The mom) wasn't going anywhere. And so on.

It was the cop's bad mood that made this happen. Period. It's obvious. I AM suprised they didn't taze her, but, that's only because her husband told her to shut up. Which, wisely, she did.

I read the articles.
I watched the interview this morning with the parents.
I believe them.

Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail
I bring the dog too. My dog tells everyone they're too close to my car, whether or not the kid is in there. If the dog's there, my kid is safe. Add to that, I lock the doors and take the keys with me.

Forget car alarms, I got good old Sallie Derra in the backseat.

Cuhail

[edit on 12/14/2007 by Cuhail]

sorry... I just had to say... Lets hope she's not wearing the Santa hat... Burglars may think shes a bit friendly, and giving if thats the case...



*sorry... sometimes these threads need a little cooling down with a bit o' humor*

WOWEE!!! You know what floors me??? That she got off so easy with the cops! I mean people have been tazed and beaten for far less. I mean, she refused to speak until her husband arrived - that certainly warranted a repeated jolt of 50,000 volts and a good wood shampoo from our friendly public servants.

Her gall to actually exercise her 5th Ammendment rights and refuse to make a statement! They should have made an example of her, tazed her a good 15 to 20 times, roughed her up while she was handcuffed, imprisoned her and removed her children from her home. I mean, honestly, they do it every single day to people for lesser transgressions.

But seriously folks... cops are PIGS! Jackbooted brownshirt thugs who should NEVER be trusted for anything. I'm still in awe that they allow these mouth-breathing slackjaws to even carry weapons. Because, as we've seen, they obviously believe that every single 87 year old woman, pregnant mother, polish immigrant, sleeping drunk, deaf mute in a bathtub, handcuffed suspect or father holding his baby is a deadly threat that should be assaulted first and repeatedly before honoring their commitment to "Protect and Serve"

NWA was right, "F*@# The Police!"

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
This woman deserves the death penalty!!!

Anyone who would endanger a child should be shot and killed!!

If the world we live in today makes it dangerous to do what she did, we should all jump off a cliff. That is the real problem.
Stop treating the effects, the cause will be there
This world is our creation
I do not want to hear "People are good but there are some bad guys that ruin everything".

There was a story about two stupid women, a mother and a grandmother and a baby. On a shelf above the baby's head was a big piece of rock. The two women sat watching and crying waiting for the rock to fall down and kill the baby.
When the father came home and saw them, he left the hose and traveled the world with the intention never to return unless he found people that are more stupid than those in his house He found them and returned to see the piece of rock very well tied up with strings and the women happy

What's going on today ? We punish the woman that left her baby inside her car. I do not care if it's harder to fix the entire society than punish 1 woman, that is the real cause

[edit on 14-12-2007 by pai mei]

[edit on 14-12-2007 by pai mei]

Kids die of a million things.

They die in un-monitered pools. Sometimes in monitored ones. They die walking down the street, on their way to school. In the school. After school. Riding their bikes. At home. Away from home. In the car. Visiting grandparents. Playing with daddy's gun. Playing with mommie's gun. In wells. In caves. In malls. In hospitals. In the trunks of cars. At their parents hands. At their teacher's hands. At a stranger's hand. At a friends hand.
How are you going to argue that leaving a child sleeping in a locked car on a rainy, sleeting, cold night-20 feet away, while you take a picture, the most irresponsable thing you've ever heard? Good grief! Our kids are going to be neurotic and trembling for their whole life if we don't stand up to fear and live. The police, in this case don't help. They aren't protecting the child by doing this? Noticing what is going on and keeping a good eye on the situation is what they need to do, not create a new situation and then exasperate it.

The "cops are pigs" sentimentality has little place here either. I am good friends with quite a few cops. They aren't all just "Pigs". They are people, trained to react in certain ways to suppress an escalation of chaos, in certain situations. I've seen my friend go from uniformed buddy, to "Cop Mode" in 0.010 of a second. It's training. Training to turn ity on, and when to turn it on and how to turn it off. Some people that don badges and guns don't reserve their "Cop Mode" for just situations that require it. They abuse it. But, it's hardly a number that requires "blanket" labeling like "Pigs suck". I've been arrested a number of times and never did I get tazed, or hit, or coerced.

Ohhhh in a perfect world....

Cuhail

The link provided did not state that the woman was parked in a loading zone. That makes a difference. It appears that the policewoman was tired of seeing irresponsible parents and just overreacted. Without further evidence I can't conclude that it was police brutality (although leaving the older children at WalMart was hardly responsible). Embarrassing as it was to the mother, it's probably better to be overzealous than it is to allow a child to be endangered. I think the couple should get their apology, but I would not want the police to be less vigilant because of it.

Since this is local news for me, I saw an interview with the couple on my morning local Fox news show. They described the whole ordeal from their point of view, and I thought it was genuine. The couple are ... normal, everyday folks. (I think we'd call them "Sheeple, here) They were astounded and shocked at the whole ordeal. They want any charges dropped, a clean slate with DCFS and an apology from the Police Dept. involved. THEY just want their life back. I'm with them. It sucks.

Cuhail

[edit on 12/15/2007 by Cuhail]