Come come ATS you're easily big enough to handle this with your usual applomb.

People get heated about this and that and surely its a good thing to let them get their fury off their chests.

Anyone coming onto this board knows their ideas or views can be challenged, its how we learn to think outside the box when someone whose posts one admires prods one onto another direction.

We have had so much PC rammed down our throats and its backfiring beautifully enough to bite many of its perpetrators right on the bum and I hope they hurt.

You can't miss the fact that all the institutions are getting a hiding from the public these days and 9/11 is a major issue. If we doubters roll over sweetly and ooh! so sorry we thought otherwise, we are letting down not only those who died, but those who are suffering today, due to the poisonous atmosphere they had to live through. The amount of fire-fighters and other helpers as well as the public need our support to rally the government to do more to help these people and take better care of us.

I will never forget watching the tower with the long scarf being waved to show there were people there. Then suddenly it imploded down and the scarf was gone. My heart went out to its owner.

I don't care who says what, I remember Fred Dibner who use to blow up buildings and chimneys in built up areas saying, 'its only by a carefully planned, controlled explosion that you can stop the building from spilling everywhere as its demolished, however strong its built.

I don't mean to upset (grumpy) at ATS but I do think this is one topic we should be left to shout and bellow about because it is one of the most important things that has happened in our life's time.

Originally posted by backinblack




would like nothing more than to see this forum gone..

Sadly you are playing right into their hands..

he's right though. there obviously are people out there who want this forum closed, and you obviously are telling us all exactly what it would take to have that happen,

playing right into their hands,

its odd really, when someone doesnt want something specific to occur, the last thing they would do is to tell everyone in the world exactly how to do it,

yet here we have you telling the whole world that you dont want the forum closed, and exactly what needs to happened for it to be closed.

hmmmmm......

Thanks for the warnings, but instead of threatening closure, why not just enforce the bans?

If you need someone with a ban-hammer to play 9/11-whack-a-troll sign me up!

Better than seeing one of the most productive parts of the forum closed. (Productive minus trolls of course)

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by patternfinder
there still is the slippery slope of non progress when the same OSers come in and say the same exact thing every single time...

Perhaps if you stopped the derogatory implications by calling people "OSers" we'd see some type of trend toward civility.

edit on 5-9-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)

so the term "OSer" is derogatory, but the term "truthers" is not?

Perhaps they should be called "Veracious".

I am not a member of the truth movement, but I sure consider myself veracious. whether that leads me to the answer being 19 arab hijackers, or some nefarious, powerful group, I am yet to conclude, as the information will always be suppressed.

well if the 911 forums do get shut down...that would be a sad day...as it would mean just one more aveune towards truth is closed down.....Shame....

there are so many unanswered questions.....and as people are taught through out life...the only question that is a silly question is the one that is not asked.

answers cannot come easy as the roads to answers get closed down...just as time moves us further from the truth.

ATS has provided a good forum for this subject and i respect what ATS tries to do to protect their members from abuse.....But also for the most part the members are adults and can handle some of the abuse....but as far as the T&C goes...come on follow them....not that hard.....yes sometimes trying to get a point across is like beating a hammer against steel but even then it does create a spark of light than can shine .

now as for derogatory....calling someone a truthers can be just as derogatory as calling someone an OSer's...it is just how it is stated that matters....I don't like being can a truther...because i don't know really what the truth is...but i do not believe many elements of the OS.....so i have been labeled....as it seems labeling makes things all ok.

but a trend i do see is professionals deny the OS and they get raked over the coals....and called all sorts of things...which is a shame....as it is professional opinion.

so what makes one professionals opinion more valuble than anothers....i guess it just depends upon what side of the fence one chooses to stand on.

I have questioned many things through out my life....and i will go on continuing the questioning....so i question how this ban would be implemented....if one speaks of it...does one get banned.

I guess it can go the way of the M word......it does not exist in the realm of ATS...cannot be discussed....and cannot be mentioned.

My brother has MS and it would be valuble to me to discuss such a topic...but forbidden....and i live with it.....but 911....one of the biggest possible conspiracies in the world...next to JFK and Martin luther king...and even Abraham Lincoln....how would one not want to dicuss it.

i have changed how i conduct myself in 911 threads cause i got a warning....but i find i can get a point over by realising i am not here to argue with people who believe in the OS....but rather to educate people on factors that don't add up with the OS.

I just don't allow myself to be goated into an argument....and i can say this with all regard....i can name SIX people who believe in the OS whom frequent 911 threads and try to incite anger by repeatedly ignoring what gets stated...and not adding to the threads with information to the contrary....

i find that some of the people whom believe in the OS only cite two to three sources..NIST,FEMA and Bazant Zhou.....i find this odd as they are the same papers in contention....

so some friendly advice to people...present your thoughts....acknoledge the person presenting...then counter...as it will show the observer what is out there....and the more that someone asks for proof...just try to show it...as it is for the benefit of the person on the sideline.

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I view those who viciously attack 9/11 investigators as the equivalence of mean drunks. They are drunk on the mixture fed down through the taste makers and social engineers. Have you ever tried to reason with a really mean drunk? Its really no use. That being said I believe 9/11 was and continues to be a great opportunity to uncover and neutralize some of the great mechanisms of totalitarian control since it was necessary that these mechanisms be exposed and continue to be exposed to preserve the lies. This is really what we're here for. This I believe is why we chose to be on the earth at this time. To be in a position to dismantle these mechanisms that are preserved via the top levels of the secret societies and strengthened by satanic rituals of power. When you observe these mechanisms you realize they are very powerful as the lies they foment are powerful and they hold great magic. However, they are no match for the truth.This is why satan ( or whatever you call those 4th dimensional beings ) NEVER DARE to expose these mechanisms to the true light because they would be destroyed immediately. They kick up a lot of dust and cover their ears and waah waah waah like banshees but they WILL NOT DEBATE the truth because even the darkness respects the superior power of the true light and the true light is in all of us who acknowledge and love it.