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[edit]Yes, NASA Is Hiding Pics From Mars!

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posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:28 PM
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We all know that there are many images of the sundial, and it is used to calibrate the camera.

But why does NASA have to do a high quality cut-n-paste job and FAKE images that are used to "prove" the color of the surface on their press page?







That is not where the edge of the rover is.






They even cut around the upright on the sundial. Very convincing work.

Real pros....

Why are these fake images on the press page if it is not NASA's intent to deceive?

[Edited on 6-2-2004 by ArchAngel]




posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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Where did they cut out?

Nobody knows what the actual color we would percieve on mars is. There's a whole team in NASA working on figuring out just how to treat these images.

The raw data they recieve is grayscale images in different wavelengths depending on which color filter they rotate to cover the lenses. These have to be combined as specific color chanels. Because of this, the actual colors are open to some interpretation, which is why they added the color wheel in aid of working this out.

This has been covered over and over. Even NASA admit they aren't 100% sure.


[Edited on 6-2-2004 by Zzub]



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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i'm not sure what your trying say, but maybe this will interest you.

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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Zzub,

Though I agree with everything you said. It does not address the issues he has raised.

Look at the background immediately behind the sundial in the top pics, then look in the bottom pics.



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:35 PM
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Look at the two top pics of the sundial, then the two bottom ones.

What is different?



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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He is pointing out that the rover in the pics at the bottom still has "rover body" behind the sundial, while there is Martian ground immediately behind the sundial in the top pics.



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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Where is the edge of the rover in relation to the sundial in this image?



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Ohhhh i see what your saying, hmm thats weird



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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Simple, the color images here are cutouts to show the color of mars as well as the color dial. The color wheel is not near the edge of the solar panel, it's in the middle. This was mentioned in one of the live press meetings after Spirits first few days.



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 05:58 PM
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The mistake I made in my inital evaluation was that the second set of pics shows the lander itself. The edge is as it should be as shown here.



But notice the shadow of the sundial.



After looking thoough all of the Panacam images I do not see one that matches what is used in the press image.



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:18 PM
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They are from Sol 16:

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...


But only the L7 is there.

How did they make the color image if they only have L7?



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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sorry but um im sure that mars is mostly blue, besides why would nasa wanna tell you anyways, you could always find out 10-20 years later when they feel like telling you anything lol..



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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Quote that follows is from Eric De Jong- Lead for the Solar Visualization Team



"We almost never choose to take the images in natural color, because that’s not as helpful to us scientifically,” said Eric. “However, we’re able to approximate what humans might see because Jim’s team lived and breathed with this camera for many years, experimenting to get the colors in the camera models just right.”

This is a very broad statement, IMO it says much. Why can't a simple , plain imaging lens be used?



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:38 PM
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on this image is says (Gusev, Sol2)



But the Sol2 pics are from when it was still on the pad:

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:44 PM
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This is the first part of the associated press release for this image:


These are the first images sent back from the panoramic camera on the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit since the rover experienced communications problems on the 18th sol, or martian day, of its mission. They were acquired at Gusev Crater, Mars, on Sol 26 (Jan. 29, 2004), showing that the camera's health remained excellent during Spirit's recovery. Two of Spirit's potential target rocks, which are near the rock called Adirondack, can be seen on the lower left and right. The rock on the left has been named "Cake," and the white rock on the right has been named "Blanco."


Where is Sol 26 for the panoramic camera?

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 06:50 PM
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I think they are keeping pictures from us too archangel.



posted on Feb, 6 2004 @ 08:24 PM
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"The facts, gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching"...Isaac Asimov





NASA says:


Actual data from Mars Exploration Rover Spirit´s panoramic camera is mapped on top of these lines as dots. The plot demonstrates that the observed colors of Mars match the colors of the chips, and thus approximate the red planet´s true colors. This finding is further corroborated by the picture taken on Mars of the calibration target, which shows the colored chips as they would appear on Earth.



But it cannot be. The data is not there to create this image.

Or this one either:



Nasa says:


These are the first images sent back from the panoramic camera on the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit since the rover experienced communications problems on the 18th sol, or martian day, of its mission. They were acquired at Gusev Crater, Mars, on Sol 26 (Jan. 29, 2004), showing that the camera´s health remained excellent during Spirit´s recovery.


There is no Sol 26, and there is no match with any of the published images.

These images from the press page could not have come from any images published for Spirt.

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

Sol 33: No image of sundial

Sol 30: No image of sundial

Sol 29: No image of sundial

Sol 16: Only two images that are not correct filters for color, and shadow is in wrong position.

Sol 15: No image of sundial

Sol 14: Lander in frame above sundial, not the ground

Sol 13: No image of sundial

Sol 12: No image of sundial

Sol 11: No image of sundial

Sol 10: No image of sundial

Sol 9: No image of sundial

Sol 8: No image of sundial

Sol 7: No image of sundial

Sol 6: First two images from R2 and R7 filters cannot create color, rocks are different. All other sundial images shadow is too long.

Sol 5: Lander in image above sundial. Rover on pad.

Sol 4: Rover on pad

Sol 3: Rover on pad

Sol 2: Rover on pad

Sol 1: No image of sundial




NASA has failed to provide the raw data for both of the press page images that they are using to prove the color of Mars.



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