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One year after the Bush Administration promised to streamline a process to allow people with HIV infection to visit the United States despite congressionally mandated travel ban, critics are saying that the proposed new rules are more restrictive than the old ones.
Laws dating back to the early days of the AIDS epidemic in the United States forbid issuance of visas to foreigners infected with HIV, but allow exceptions through a cumbersome waiver process that has been denounced as slow,
reply to post by xpert11
Here in New Zealand you can be prosecuted if you fail to reveal that you have HIV and then go on to have unsafe sex.
Originally posted by Bluess
What do people believe??? that AIDS just spreads through the air??
comon... banning people from entering a country because they have HIV infection is just plane stupid...how about spending a little more time, telling the people how to avoid getting a HIV infection, its quite simple.
What can and can't you get AIDS from?
Please inform instead of restrict
Originally posted by Bluess
OMG... yes lets just pick up all the HIV infected people and place them on an island far out in the sea....
Once again I find it where obscure that people think "the more that have AIDS the more likely I am to get it"
Take responsibility for your own actions, and learn how not to get AIDS and you wont get it. simple as that.
Originally posted by Bluess
So you mean that sick people should be banned from entering your country because they lack information/knowledge on AIDS?
And how do you intent on "securing" HIV infected americans to not rape people? throw them out of your country?
please... why would any person infected if he/she obtained the knowledge of AIDS spreed it by purpose? That would only be done by an insane person anyway.
I wonder if you would ban people with other desieases, that can infect other people, from entering your country aswell?
Originally posted by xpert11
Originally posted by Bluess
So you mean that sick people should be banned from entering your country because they lack information/knowledge on AIDS?
Well a person may not even know they have HIV or understand how the disease spreads . Since it wouldn't be practical to determine if a person has such knowledge the best thing to do is to prevent them from entering the US in the first place.
.......or you could inform them and help them. and if the person doesnt know he/she has HIV, how would america find out?
And how do you intent on "securing" HIV infected americans to not rape people? throw them out of your country?
Apples and oranges foreign visitors don't have the same rights has US citizens.
.......whatever rights they have american people can spread AIDS aswell as foreign people
please... why would any person infected if he/she obtained the knowledge of AIDS spreed it by purpose? That would only be done by an insane person anyway.
Never underestimate the sick things that people will do. You also ignore the possibility of someone unintentionally spreading HIV.
.......unintentionally spreading HIV can also be done by americans
I wonder if you would ban people with other desieases, that can infect other people, from entering your country aswell?
Depending on the disease I have no problem with such bans.
.......Once again it all sums up to the whole, "block any foreigner to enter the country if they are sick and we will all be healthy here in america" this is utopia thinking to me
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[edit on 6-12-2007 by xpert11]
Originally posted by blueorder
reply to post by Bluess
I have no problem with such a policy extending to other infectious diseases, none at all.
As for an American citizen returning, he is an American citizen and will have to return, we are talking about immigrants trying to become American citizens, there is no onus to take them in
Originally posted by blueorder
reply to post by Bluess
no, I meant what I typed and posted, "ONUS", there is no onus for the US to take them in and no "right" for those immigrants to reside.
The US, as a nation state, has every right to decide on the type of immigrant it wants, be it in terms of skills, or in terms of infectious diseases.
It would seem prudent for a nation to want people without infectious diseases, be it on a public health or economic level- the rest is just waffle
Originally posted by Bluess
Then how about the right to ban people from entering your country on the count of country of origin, skincolor, haircolor, disfunctions, ugliness and other things?
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bizzarre, no, I would limit it to salient issues such as skills, infectious diseases etc.
Some infantile reasoning there
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there is a little thing called ethics, you might wanna consider instead of just claiming rights.
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I don't claim "rights" that is the point- the US is a nation state and has to put it's interest first, and rightly so
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there is also a little thing called humanrights, and that should be followed worldwide.
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which does not mean automatic entry to the US- the US as a nation shall decide who resides there
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there is a world outside america too. no offence.
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Correct, it is a world of nation states, and if someone is refused entry to America they go back to their country of origin or seek another country