CIA Operation "Pliers" Uncovered in Venezuela

This CIA crap is so old. I’m sure there are good loyal Americans at CIA; however, all spy agencies overtime become corrupted, infiltrated and compromised. This particular CIA has been rotting since the end of WWII when it brought a bunch of Nazis onboard. As they say, it’s the nature of the biz; spies lay down with dogs, they often get up with fleas like bin Laden, for example.

The fact is we will never restore America’s credibility as a beacon of truth and justice until we get rid of these blood-sucking fleas and their top-dog bosses.

This agency should be abolished, and a truth commission established to investigate a long list of domestic and international crimes, recent and historic, their perpetrators should then be brought to justice and tried as the terrorists, war criminals, assassins, drugs and arms dealers, saboteurs, etc. that they really are.

I hope and pray the people will wake-up soon and realize we face the same enemies as Venezuela, and that the same coup is taking place right here, right now. Wake-up people, or it will take a revolution, perhaps even another bloody civil war in this country to set things right.

I’m too old and jaded to believe in any single “ism” as the answer to every social problem. Nonetheless, even in this modern world which so many of us Americans take for granted, at the end of the day what’s important to most people in the world are the basics, food, water, shelter, etc. Today there is a growing imbalance between the haves and the have-nots. Thanks to the Internet and independent media like ATS this fact has become apparent to almost everyone on the planet.

This situation cannot and will not stand. A tipping point will eventually be reached and not the CIA or the whole U.S. government will be able to stop the progress of the people toward social and economic justice.

From what I’ve seen and heard President Chavez is a hero who has risen to power by inspiring the poor and disenfranchised to rise up, challenge the un-elected ruling elite that already has too much wealth and too much power. He is ferocious in that challenge and it rings true with millions of us. That’s why, as he clearly states in the video, he is a marked man, high on the CIA’s assassination list.

That should tell you exactly who the real “enemy” is.

reply to post by SimiusDei


Hugo, the poor little dictator. Guess the CIA is doing what I help pay them for. I can only hope this story is true! Nothing could please me more than seeing an uprising there and killing that murder shlub! Think they might hang him the way the Iraqies did sadam the shoe shine boy?

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

So, how did forming The Golden Triangle, whose primary customer was US GI's, help keep the balance of power in America's favor?

How does supporting the Afghan opium trade help keep the balance of power in America's favor?

How does supporting groups like UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambique help America?

I didnt say they were crime free, and yes they get thier black money in ways I wish they didnt. but alot of what the CIA does, does help America maintain its security. Are they perfect everytime? of course not, do they operate shady? of course they do every countrys secret police does. But do I still think they serve a very important job. Yes I do!

reply to post by turbokid



Ok this the third time I will try this maybe it is the CIA blocking me.

1. Past actions of our Foreign Intelligence Agencies (plural) can be second-guessed, have they made mistakes? BIG TIME. Hindsight as they say is 20/20 with a lot of semantics but there is not some evil scheme at the operational level of the CIA. These schemes do exist (I believe) but you will need to look outside the box and a lot higher up the chain.

2. FIA's are here for one reason to undercut the enemy. We might not like what is done, that is because it is not a black and white scenario. It involves very non-tasteful situations that the public does not want to know about and for security does not need to know about. These operations secure our Geo political and economic status as a world power, which by the way does give us our freedoms. We need intelligence groups to keep us where we are.(OK some public entities do want to know)

3. I whole-heartedly agree with you on the Africa/Middle Eastern human rights violations. This is a world issue not just an American issue and I don’t see the UN doing anything, without us and when we need something done, BLAH BLAH BLAH. You are going to tell me that all the other Countries of the world cannot do anything about atrocities in Africa and by the way the women in the ME don't want us to interfere, you cannot take religion out of their politics, it is synonymous with how they live so dont even try to fight that battle. Unfortunately that is their battle and they dont want our help, they want it to be a self corrective issue.. I know I know but....

4. I would love to talk with you on Iran, Chile, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan. You are talking vague about a huge expanse of time where we could go back and blame the Romans and Parthians, The Europeans after WWI-WWII or the Turks but don’t try to put all the current partitioning that caused the current situations all on the CIA. What are you talking about?
The Shah-The Royal Family- Baathists-Mubarrak-Mushariff-Osama-Sadat, I mean you are bringing up countries that have been involved in such a vast amounts of chaos that has led to today' s current events; It really is a ripple in the pond. I mean you might have to blame Catholicism from 1095 and Pope Urban the II. You need to narrow it down for me.

A common misconception about ruling class powers and they're attack dogs is that the policies set forth by the former, and the actions carried out by the latter, suffer from some constant blunderings. To be sure, mistakes are made in some cases and foreign policy does suffer some defeats from time to time, but the overall policy has largely been successful. A policy of destabilization, deracination, and attrition has been perpetrated in the name of the American people in scores of countries across the globe (with large concentrations in South America and The Middle East).

The CIA and other clandestine groups commit crimes ranging from foreign interference in an election, to political assassinations, torture, the funding, training and equipping of death squads. The infiltration of labour movements, destabilization of democratic governments, and drug trafficking (just to name a few).

They do not work for the American people, as much of the overall goals of such policies of destabilisation are to stop egalitarian reforms and install pro-west, free market governments. Such governments open up their markets to foreign capital penetration (crushing the public sector), and open up their labour to exploitation and poverty wages/conditions.

The greater good often trumpeted by those people who see such policies as necessary, rarely makes it back to the US public, and is often at great cost to public treasuries.

I agree with those people who take the view that IF the USA is to be held up as a beacon, a blueprint for other nations, then the USA needs to be clean as a whistle, or no-one will take them seriously. If we tell people that using proxy soldiers, or using torture is bad, then we need to make sure we follow those rules too. If we tell people that democracy/democratic republicism is the best, least corrupt way, then we need to demonstrate that. The outcry in recent years over elections doesn't help this.

The way the CIA operates seems counter to this ideal many times. They constantly seem to stoop to the 'bad guys' level, and do the exact kind of things we are telling other countries are bad.

Please don't take me as anti-american, or an appeaser of venezula/other corrupt regimes. I am in the UK, and although our MI6 seems to get 'caught out' less, I'm sure the way they operate is just as bad most of the time, and we need to address that too.

Originally posted by birchtree


4. I would love to talk with you on Iran, Chile, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan. You are talking vague about a huge expanse of time where we could go back and blame the Romans and Parthians, The Europeans after WWI-WWII or the Turks but don’t try to put all the current partitioning that caused the current situations all on the CIA. What are you talking about?
The Shah-The Royal Family- Baathists-Mubarrak-Mushariff-Osama-Sadat, I mean you are bringing up countries that have been involved in such a vast amounts of chaos that has led to today' s current events; It really is a ripple in the pond. I mean you might have to blame Catholicism from 1095 and Pope Urban the II. You need to narrow it down for me.

ok just for discussions sake i will post my quote ..

FAR worse leaders have been installed or supported by the CIA. Iran, Chile, Saudi arabia. egypt, pakistan..

ok,
Iran, i was referring to the CIA lead coup in 1953. where the CIA helped oust a democratically elected leader, because he decided to nationalize the iranian oil industry, and install a dictator. As you may know the people of iran had enough and began the 79 revolution. (just like i suspect will happen in iraq and afghanistan in the future)

Chile, i was referring to the CIA lead coup in which the the CIA helped overthrow the democratically elected leader Salvador Allende and install a military dictatorship by Augusto Pinochet.
ironically before the election there was a large rift between the rich and poor, slow economic growth and high inflation, and Allende began turning the problems around.
He then nationalized several industries, and thats when the games began.

pressure should be placed on the Allende government to prevent its consolidation and limit its ability to implement policies contrary to U.S. and hemispheric interests, such as Allende's total nationalization of several foreign corporations and the copper industry -Henry Kissinger

Ah the copper industry, the three biggest copper mines in Chile were owned by 2 US copper companies, Anaconda, and Kennecott. and check this out..

In 1971 Chile's newly elected Socialist president, Salvador Allende, confiscated the Chuquicamata mine from Anaconda. Anaconda lost two-thirds of its copper production. Two years later, a compensation of $250,000,000 was paid to Anaconda by the Chilean government.

now remember that two years after 71 is 73 and 73 is when the CIA lead coup put a US business friendly dictator in.. Crazy how that works huh?
Even crazier is that Anaconda copper has some Rothschild and Rockefeller history in it. dun dun dun

en.wikipedia.org...

www.gwu.edu...

Saudi Arabia, I was referring to the incredibly unwavering support of the Saudi regime, despite the enormous human rights violations, womens rights violations, suppression of free speech, incommunicado detentions, links to terrorism, etc. And i base my arguement on my opinion that if Saudi Arabia didnt cooperate in the oil business, these horrendous violations of basic human rights would be ALL OVER TV. Just like is happening with Iran and Venezuela
heres something else i found interesting. Any bad talk towards israel is a sure fire death sentence if your a "rogue state" right?

S. Arabia to host Israel boycott event
Despite a promise made to Washington last November to drop its economic boycott of Israel, Saudi Arabia plans to host a major international conference next week aimed at promoting a continued trade embargo on the Jewish state, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

Egypt, i was referring to the very hard supression of speech and press, torture of detainees, female circumcision (google it)
and this..

(Cairo, March 26, 2007) – Proposed constitutional amendments approved by the Egyptian parliament on March 21 effectively remove basic protections against violations of Egyptians’ rights to privacy, individual freedom, security of person and home and due process, Human Rights Watch said today..
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Activists were protesting proposed changes to article 179 of the constitution that would have the effect of removing constitutional safeguards requiring the government to obtain judicial warrants before searching a citizen’s home, correspondence, telephone calls, and other communications, when the government deems activity being investigated is terrorist-related. In such cases the president would also be allowed to send cases to special “exceptional” courts or military tribunals, whose decisions may not be appealed, instead of the regular courts, thereby jeopardizing individuals’ fair trial rights. The amendments would also mean security forces would be authorized to exercise powers of arrest that could lead to arbitrary, and potentially indefinite, detentions.

hrw.org...

but i guess this is the kind of practice the US would advocate, since nearly the same thing is going on here.

Pakistan, i was referring to the US support of a leader who installed martial law, suspended the constitution, imprisoned opposition leaders, arrested journalists, support the taliban, was involved in 911 financing

i suspect this is why..

Foreign companies currently operating in Pakistan include: Union Texas Pakistan (produces around 30 percent of oil and 10 percent of natural gas); British Gas; Lasmo; OMV; Gaz de France; Shell; Unocal.
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Pipelines leading from the oil and gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan, across Afghanistan, to Pakistan, and, eventually, to the enormous Indian market could provide Pakistan with a much-needed injection of cash in transport fees.

www.worldpress.org...
if you recall, the taliban was originally offered these transport fees to pipes leading across afghanistan, they refused, the rest is history. Now the "new" afghan government is following through with the pipeline plans, so they are safe.







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Originally posted by bobafett
I agree with those people who take the view that IF the USA is to be held up as a beacon, a blueprint for other nations, then the USA needs to be clean as a whistle, or no-one will take them seriously. If we tell people that using proxy soldiers, or using torture is bad, then we need to make sure we follow those rules too. If we tell people that democracy/democratic republicism is the best, least corrupt way, then we need to demonstrate that. The outcry in recent years over elections doesn't help this.

The way the CIA operates seems counter to this ideal many times. They constantly seem to stoop to the 'bad guys' level, and do the exact kind of things we are telling other countries are bad.

Please don't take me as anti-american, or an appeaser of venezula/other corrupt regimes. I am in the UK, and although our MI6 seems to get 'caught out' less, I'm sure the way they operate is just as bad most of the time, and we need to address that too.

Good post and I agree, but I also understand that to beat the bad guys we may have to stoop to thier level. I also understand, with that we gain a lot of baggage we could do with out. I think when ever you do things like this it becomes second nature and its easy to fall into a pattern of doing it that way all the time. For example its not uncommon for a undercover drug enforcement agent to become what he is trying to put an end to. I do believe the analogy if you sleep with dogs you'll come up with fleas.

Good discussion take care

Here's the latest post from the BBC as of Saturday, 1 December 2007, 01:49 GMT

Chavez urges reform for Venezuela

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has urged voters to approve constitutional changes in a referendum on Sunday.

Addressing tens of thousands of supporters at a rally in Caracas, he also threatened to stop oil supplies to the US if it tried to disrupt the vote.

Source

reply to post by welivefortheson


Its a good thing that no other country has ever developed and employed an organization along the lines of the CIA. I mean the Soviets, and now just Russia would never do something like that (KGB), and I am certain China doesn't have anything like that either right? Damn the US for thinking that foreign countries might be trying to harm us and cause problems that would bring about the need for a group such as the CIA.

I love how Chavez is now not allowing election officials to oversee the vote on Sunday and has vowed to cut off oil to the US if we question the results.

ahhhhhhhhh..youth indeed is wasted on the young and naive..

Originally posted by US Monitor
reply to post by welivefortheson

 

I love how Chavez is now not allowing election officials to oversee the vote on Sunday and has vowed to cut off oil to the US if we question the results.

i guess you missed this part ?

About 100 electoral observers from 39 countries in Latin America, Europe and the United States will be on hand, plus hundreds of Venezuelan observers, according to the National Electoral Council.

news.aol.com...



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reply to post by Hot_Wings


Hey Hot Wings you, my friend are a supporter of murderers, baby killers, country destroyers and freedom haters, reading your posts here you come across as either utterly naive to the reality of those you support or as bad as them. Akin to the National Front member who sleeps in Nazi pyjamas and drinks his coffee from a mug with Hitler's face on it. The CIA have done a Great deal of damage the world over, any fool knows that, just as any fool knows that Hitler was a baaad man. IMO your voice is dangerous and blind and very much what neither the US nor the rest of the world needs right now. We have seen enough butchery by the US and her cronies mate, we have heard enough evil, spew from people like you. Stick to your posters and pyjamas, if you get your rocks off on blood and guns and guts you need help, professional help.

Read straight american history, read about Hugo Chavez, he's not perfect, but he's done more for the people of his country than anyone ever has, he's given the poor proper health care and education and social services they never had before. These are things that the poor in the US can only dream of. In the US if you get sick and you are poor you are f****d plain and simple. In the US the rich rule, the rich rule and the rich rule, and use their stazi CIA to infiltrate and overthrow.

reply to post by willywagga

For someone that doesn't even live here you certainly have alot to say about the US and if you do live here shame on you!
I find your reply to Hot Wing very insultive and uncalled for. You reffered to him as a nazi severaltimes among other things. You do not know him or what he sleeps in.
If you would clear your eyes of all the hate you would clearly see that he stands for the U.S.A. and if that means backing the CIA and the people that make up the CIA then more power to him.
Some people like Hot Wing and myself know that the CIA is made up of individuals and those individuals are American citizens and when you attack one American you attack all of us!
Same goes to Hugo Chavez, when he talks trash about our president he is talking trash about all Americans! wheather I voted for Bush or not or wheather I want him replaced or not HE IS STILL MY PRESIDENT and no one talks trash about a fellow American and their president and goes uncalled on it!
I hope that the CIA is doing something about Chavez, When he threatens our president he threatens America and he has got to go! sooner better than later.
(I apologize for posting again but someone had to reply to that hate monger)

And by the way Hot Wings, you said America is constantly being attacked by different countries, that's really funny, but it's a lie, to suit your vicious rant, America was attacked once, by outsiders, on 911, and that was by your friends, the Bin Ladens, otherwise, you have mostly been attacked by nutty fellow americans like Timothy McVeigh et al, in fact your political extremism fits nicely with his. You and your fellow military extremos here. I bet you all believe in God and his mercy too. LOL.

reply to post by Polite American


You're right I don't live in America, thank heavens. But I am affected by your country's actions every day. Your country has made the whole world a dangerous place, your president IS a dangerous man, most Americans agree with this, they read the news, not what Fox tells them. Your country tortures innocent people, your government kills innocent children, and don't tell me so does China etc. We're not talking about China here we're talking about your country. How dare you let your young men die for a lie, you sir, let those young soldiers die and kill for a lie. SHAME ON YOU SIR !!!!




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reply to post by willywagga

shame on you for letting england come to the demise that it has! at least in America we can still own guns! and we are free to call our president all kinds of vile crap and not get tortured, raped or killed.
In America we have the CIA to take preemptive measures and we have (Thank GOD) a president that has the balls to hunt down and kill these animals wherever they may be. And yes it is a shame that civilians get killed and innocents get used as human shields and that our enemies ide in hospitals and religious placesand then cry foul when the civilians they are hiding behind get killed. and of course it is Americas fault. Well I say to you if you have such a hate for America and want to do something about it then move here and run for office and then you can change the world.
Until then you will be as you say "affected" by us Americans...
They kicked a sleeping giant! what do you think America is going to do? Sit around and play nice?
Ad all of you that consider America a shining beacon of freedom and all that crap WAKE up! America is going to do whatever it takes to protect its citizens and its lands WHATEVER IT TAKES!

To anyone who imagines the CIA aren't busy little beavers in Venezuela... lol.

reply to post by Shar_Chi

I think we can all agree that they are there. Just some people think it is a bad thing and some think it is a good thing.

Venezuela is not American land, nor is Iraq nor anywhere else the US wishes to plunder, yeah America in a plunderer plain and simple, americas own resources are running dry, therefore they go steal from someone else. Why do you think they hate Chavez so much, because he has the oil, just like Saddam, thats why. Greedy America. I don't hate America, I certainly don't hate americans, I just don't like the self righteous way america plunders and murders while saying they're freeing people. Jesus it's so profane and sick, and if you support american foreign policy then you are the same.

BY the way I'm not English, I'm Irish.




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