CIA Operation "Pliers" Uncovered in Venezuela

reply to post by John_Q_Llama

ok, being sensitive to your 9/11 feelings. lets forget 9/11 for a moment and go back to the previous terrorist attack on American soil. The last bombing of the WTC which happened during the Clinton administration I may add. Unless we are going to say that this was also perpetrated by our own government?...no? ok than we have not had an attack on our soil since then. That is well worth the war wherever it may be. As long as it is not inside the U.S.
It is a shame that so many innocent civilians and U.S. troops had to die.
Nobody wants this. But sometimes this can't be helped to maintain the assurance and quality of American life.


[edit on 30-11-2007 by Polite American]

Look What The C.I.A. did to president CARTER...THAT was political...October Surprise...HOLD Back The HOSTIGES...What A bunch Of Great guys Those CIA ....They (cia)Wanted RONNIE RAYGUN..

Originally posted by mrmajestyk6309
Look What The C.I.A. did to president CARTER...THAT was political...October Surprise...HOLD Back The HOSTIGES...What A bunch Of Great guys Those CIA ....

They (cia)Wanted RONNIE RAYGUN..

Like I said, whatever betters the U.S. let them keep doing it

Point well taken...Carder was in a sea of sharks.......When why and or how ??.)..I hate things chrash...but,.. the rest of the world does not fall for that cia bogus osama tape...I did it

reply to post by Polite American


Polite American, I know what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing with you just to be a pain in the butt. But I have a hard time with the way foreign peoples in countries that are not sympathetic to the USA are so often viewed as something less than human, and treated as such in order to further the agenda of the American government. The USA is not the most important country in the world, and not the center of the universe. Other countries and other peoples deserve more respect that to be viewed as obstacles in the way of the well being of Americans.

reply to post by John_Q_Llama

I agree that other countries deserve more respect than what give them at times. But I have to disagree with you that the U.S. is not the most important country in the world, for me and my family and friends it is! and if I lived in Venenzuela then that country would be the most important country in the world. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THIS WAY???

I think the presence of a secretive, autocratic organization like the CIA within an open, democratic nation-state is problematic at best.

Americans are taught to think about politics primarily in four-year election cycles. The CIA is not bound to any such public pressure. So they can enact plans contrary to public opinion, obtain funding through non-public channels, and put pressure on elected officials to "support our para-military troops." So the American people elect new officials, and those officials upon election get pulled along by geopolitical currents set in motion perhaps decades earlier, currents which the elected officials could not have known about while campaigning, and which, subsequent to their election, they cannot discuss with the people who elected them.

The CIA overthrew Iran's first democratically-elected government. I think there's ample evidence that we as a people need to rethink the global-imperialist mindset that makes us think that it's our job to sculpt the rest of the planet's politics as we see fit.

So two possibilities jump out at me, insofar as why Venezuela should be viewed as a threat. I don't by any means think these are the only two, but they seem like important ones to me:

1. Venezuela is working towards regional autonomy, which may limit corporate America's growth in that part of the world. The problem with this reasoning is that, because the shares of many corporations are traded in public stock markets, their business models are oriented towards accelerating profit growth. Unfortunately, because we live on a planet with limited resources, business cannot grow indefinitely. And because our currency is no longer based on material assets (gold) but rather on productivity potential (businesses are pressured to grow faster than inflation), any profit comes at the expense of somebody being put out of work. In essence, corporations have access to all the material assets they need, they've sqeezed every bit of productivity out their employees, employees unable to keep up have been laid off, and outsourcing work to countries with less expensive currencies is a way to make a little more profit on the margins. The CIA depends on Americanist ecenomic hegemony, and is happy to help destabilize a foreign country if it means continued double-digit profit growth domestically (i.e., taxes can continue to be collected at the rates they have in the recent past).

2. We depend on Venezuela for oil. This analysis carries all sorts of discursive connotations, but the thing to keep in mind that the internal combusion engine of which Americans are so fond is only 30% efficient. 70% of the energy you buy as gasoline is wasted. Gone. So why should we punish Venezuala because lobbyists procure corporate subsidies that remove incentives to innovate? Or because Americans won't condescend to carpooling or mass transit or living closer to where they work?

The US has the military budget of the next nine most industrialized nations combined. If our politicians weren't so busy using Iraq to distract the American people from our domestic problems, I would see little reason to fear a Venezuelan invasion.

reply to post by America Jones
Bravo proffesor! and I mean that sincerely. With that spiel you just set forth I really do believe you are a proffesor somewhere. That is exactly the "I hate America" and "America the evil empire" indocrination our proffessors are teaching today in our unversities and places of higher learning. Never the less I will agree on those two points you put forth that make Venenzuela a threat.

And I will have to add the greenback! Don't forget that Venenzuela has threatened to start selling its oil in Euros! Same as Iran has threatened. This alone is worthy of an American invasion! How dare they think they can sell oil in anything less than he almighty greenback!

Ok my 2 on this CIA, Chavez deal. Bottom line Chavez hates America plain and simple. He is a Castro shill and will take over the position of being the stick in America’s ass when Castro does the big good bye. I have to say that Chavez seems to have the people of Venezuela behind him for the most part. He talks revolution and his people eat it up. I believe Hitler did some of the same things to get his power increased. Chavez has kicked many corporations out of Venezuela and claimed the resources in the name of his people. This is great if the profits now state owned make it to the people. I don’t think it will however. I see Chavez building his military up and trying to stick it to America and his neighbors more and more.

As far as his so-called democratic reforms, what he is doing now will suspend term limits so he can run for office repeatedly. Moreover, if you think he will ever lose an election than you are blind to what he is doing. Chavez is nothing more than a power hungry dictator plain and simple. He crushes his opposition and he jails anyone who doesn’t think as he does. You will see what he really stands for very soon.

As far as the CIA goes, I thank them for the job they do. They counter those who are out there trying to destabilize America. The CIA does exactly what they have to do to keep the balance of power in our favor. That’s right our favor, America has helped the world every time they have asked us to. SO why not reap the benefits whatever they may be. Our government owes it to all American citizens to protect our way of life at all costs. We may not like how the cow was killed but we love how the steak tastes when we get it on our dinner tables. In addition, ill tell you this, those that hate us are destabilizing America every day. And it kills me to see Americans buying into our enemy’s lies and deceptions about our government and our protection agencies. The day the CIA is closed down is the day America will have its head taken off by those that seek our destruction. And you people who have nothing better to do than put down your own country will one day wish you had of supported it and fought to keep our way of life the way it is. Cause if America ever does go down you will be treated the same as every one else.

Slavery or Death choose wisely!!!




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[edit on 30-11-2007 by geemony]

Polite American,

Now I know you're not being serious and is just playing everyone on this forum. I'm asking you to cut it out now. If in your last post you really mean it then I don't have any hopes that your country will ever be okay again.

And Geemony I really hope that your countrymen don't think like you do. I see that as an insult and a spit in the face to me and 6.3 billion other people on this planet.

reply to post by Polite American


I'm not a professor, and when I took political science classes in high school Venezuela wasn't even on the popular media's radar. In general, I try to keep my personal political beliefs out of my professional relationships. That's why I read and post here.

reply to post by TheBandit795

I apologize if you took offense. This will be my last post on this thread. If I may ask though so as to live and learn, what part of my last post did you find incredulous?

Originally posted by Polite Americanst

And I will have to add the greenback! Don't forget that Venenzuela has threatened to start selling its oil in Euros! Same as Iran has threatened. This alone is worthy of an American invasion! How dare they think they can sell oil in anything less than he almighty greenback!

With that post your position just became a joke, a parody of intelligent discourse on the subject. Further discussion with you would be futile and without meaning in any productive way.

Perhaps this was your intent, I cannot, dare not, think that a rational human would make such statements as face value. So the only logical conclusion I can arrive at is one wherein you are "just doing your job".

Polite American, you really dont have a clue do you, so you think its ok for the CIA or any other group to murder, torture ferment war and unrest just to make you feel better, well what a proud little Nazi you must be. And you wonder why America and Americans are hated around the world, but dont worry there is going to be a little regime change in the US and its not one your going to like one little bit.

Maybe you will realise that such actions taken by the CIA actually puts you more at risk rather than safer from it, but hey I'm sure you would have cheered the Waffen SS and their good work, how about POL POT, how can any decent human being applaude war and terror is beyond me, well actually no its not becasue decent human beings arent like that.

Originally posted by TheBandit795

And Geemony I really hope that your countrymen don't think like you do. I see that as an insult and a spit in the face to me and 6.3 billion other people on this planet.

Can you please tell me how I insulted you my friend? Of course that wasnt the intention but the truth does hurt sometimes. I of course thank the nation of aruba for any help they gave us during WW2. You are right we couldnt have done it with out the help of many countries willing to die for freedom rather than be under the boot of dictators and communist enemies. But the fact is that America is the only country on earth that is willing to fight these enemies before they are solidly in effect on our soil. The CIA is no different that any secret agency in any country on earth. Spin it however you want sir but every nation on earth that can afford it has an agency that spies and consorts against its enemies.

I revert to the recent meeting in whihc Chavez was on his ussual rant against everyone who doesnt think as he does. The King of spain asked him to please shut up and ol Chavez cryied he not shown respect. But its ok for Chavez to run his mouth and call others evil but give him the same in return and its us who is disrespectful. Seems a bit hypocritical doesnt it.

He calles our president the devil and no one says a thing. Granted GW isnt the best we can come up with but the bottom line is he is the president of the United states like it or not. To get respect you must first show it and Chavez couldnt care less so I say on with the coup...........

And I couldnt care less if my countrymen feel as i do becuase you know what. Americans can think anyway they want to and no one can tell us what t think or what to believe. We think for ourselves not what our leaders tell us to think.

Originally posted by geemony
As far as the CIA goes, I thank them for the job they do. They counter those who are out there trying to destabilize America. The CIA does exactly what they have to do to keep the balance of power in our favor.

So, how did forming The Golden Triangle, whose primary customer was US GI's, help keep the balance of power in America's favor?

How does supporting the Afghan opium trade help keep the balance of power in America's favor?

How does supporting groups like UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambique help America?


The CIA has been a tool for corporate and class power since its inception. The CIA helps to destablize whole regions and countries in order to maximize investment opportunities for Multi-national companies. Companies who ship production jobs to cheap labour pools and away from Americans. The profits of the cheap production are reaped by the corporate heads while little if any of the savings are enjoyed by US citizens.

Ask yourself, why does the CIA target (for destablization) left leaning, democratic countries that often have populace initiated, egalitarian or redistributive policies in effect? Instead of targeting right leaning, autocratic, despotic, or dictatorial countries?

IMO the C.I.A. is a tool used by the CFR to destabilize and displace foreign governments in order to further their goal of globalization. Not only has this program been well researched and documented, "they" do not even deny it anymore.

Some excellent books on the subject.

"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins.

"Blowback" by Chalmers Johnson.

Additionally, Jim Marrs, does an excellent job of outlining the whole agenda in "Rule By Secrecy".

Im not surprised that many Americans still believe that the U.S. is a sovereign entity. Read a few books on intl. banking and/or finance and it becomes very clear that who ever controls the purse strings makes the rules. We have not had control over own currency for over a 100 years.

reply to post by SimiusDei


I wouldn't believe all you read from state-sponsored media...

They're nearly as bad as our own CNN and FOX!

I said nearly, yes .
Venezuelans Protest Chavez's Referendum

Tens of thousands of people flooded the streets of the capital Thursday to oppose a referendum that would eliminate term limits for President Hugo Chavez and help him establish a socialist state in Venezuela.
Blowing whistles, waving placards and shouting "Not like this!" the marchers carried Venezuelan flags and dressed in blue—the chosen color of the opposition—as they streamed along Bolivar Avenue.

"This is a movement by those of us who oppose a change to this country's way of life, because what (the referendum) aims to do is impose totalitarianism," said former lawmaker Elias Matta. "There can't be a communist Venezuela, and that's why our society is reacting this way."

www.breitbart.tv...


Related news: Castro says he warned Chavez about US

Originally posted by Polite American
Like I said, whatever betters the U.S. let them keep doing it

HUH??? better according to WHOM ???
There is No oversight ...

reply to post by Hot_Wings


That is hillarious - thanks for the great sense of humour - much appreciated as things tend to get too serious on these subjects.