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Originally posted by welivefortheson
reply to post by Hot_Wings
you obviusly have no knowledge of the history of the cia.
i could go on
Originally posted by centurion1211
If other governments practice espionage, dirty tricks, or whatever you want to call it, that causes harm to the U.S. and/or its citizens, should the U.S.
a) Turn the other cheek and just take what they dish out and it's consequences, or
b) Basically respond in kind?
But it cannot be respond until an action is taken. You cannot preemptively respond, the very concept has no logic.
[quote]If the U.S. (CIA) is aware of activites occuring in another country that could cause harm to the U.S. and/or its citizens, should the U.S
a) do nothing and try to minimize the damage once it occurs, or
b) actively try to disrupt and stop those activities before anything happens here to harm the country or its citizens?
[edit on 11/29/2007 by centurion1211]
The key word here is "could". Just because your car could back over my rosebush because it's a massive 4X4 with a lot of blind spots and the turning radius of a Sherman Tank, should I go over into your yard and put sugar in the tank to protect interests?
You, and others, confuse the desire with the action. Because a person, or a nation, has desires, is not enough justification for a civilized people to attack them, either openly or covertly. You might right now be angry enough to rip my lungs out because I refuse to knuckle under to your will in this matter. That would be a desire. (Vengeance as pleasure:lol But you would find it a bit overboard of me to try to have you banned for just feeling those desires, though I could justify it as being an action to protect myself from you.
As hard as it is to face, certain actions, while they may be justifiable under the idea of safety, are neither right nor profitable.
Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
reply to post by SimiusDei
Sorry, but I am NOT going to believe or trust anything coming out of a paper in Venezuela. Chavez controls everything there like the dictator he is.
Whats really sad is how most here immediately believe anything coming from countries which are trying to hurt America. However, when its a U.S. source, the same people immediately denounce it as propaganda. Those who think like this, sadly, have their beliefs twisted.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Exactly. No one wants to even consider that a U.S. media source might be telling the truth, but here's a venezuelan news source controlled by chavez - remember, he's already shut down all the opposition media there - and many of you are just swallowing it whole (just because it conveniently meets your personal beliefs?) without even considering the source.
Deny ignorance indeed ...
Originally posted by SimiusDei
CIA Operation "Pliers" Uncovered in Venezuela
(visit the link for the full news article)
In the memo, the CIA proposes the following tactics and actions:
* Take the streets and protest with violent, disruptive actions across the nation
* Generate a climate of ungovernability
* Provoke a general uprising in a substantial part of the population
* Engage in a "plan to implode" the voting centers on election day by encouraging opposition voters to "VOTE and REMAIN" in their centers to agitate others
* Start to release data during the early hours of the afternoon ...
Exactly. No one wants to even consider that a U.S. media source might be telling the truth, but here's a venezuelan news source controlled by chavez
Perhaps no world leader is better placed to challenge the global authority of the United States than Hugo Chavez, the populist leader of Venezuela. As the head of one of the world's largest oil-producing countries, Chavez has been instrumental in raising world oil prices, undermining the control and profits of the multinational oil companies, and introducing innovative plans to use the wealth from this natural resource to help the impoverished-rather than the already powerful-in his own country and around the world. As the popularly elected president of one of South America's largest democracies, his strong resistance to the Bush administration's Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) has severely set back, if not derailed entirely, the US's long-held hemispheric agenda.
When in 2005 Bush ally and Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson called for Chavez's assassination ("It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war"), public outcry forced some questions: Was that, in fact, a CIA goal? Did the US have plans to invade Venezuela (as Chavez alluded to receiving intelligence about on Nightline in September 2005)? And exactly what was the extent of US knowledge of or involvement in the April 2002 coup against Chavez? (He was back in power within two days, after 250,000 took to the streets in Venezuela to protest.)
Venezuelan-American attorney Eva Golinger and journalist Jeremy Bigwood have used the US Freedom of Information Act to obtain government documents about US intervention in Venezuela. The Chavez Code contains this irrefutable evidence that, at the very least, the US knew about the plot to overthrow Chavez before it happened. The history of US interventions across Latin America, the suspicious blacked-out lines and pages, and the ongoing investigation suggest an even darker tale.
Eva Golinger was educated at Sarah Lawrence College and the City University of New York Law School. Her investigation into US involvement in the coup against Chavez has been covered by major media throughout the US and in Venezuela. She divides her time between New York and Caracas. The Chavez Code is her first book.
Originally posted by Scramjet76
Good point, I agree many americans seem to blame everything on their gov't which is odd considering that the gov't is for the people by the people.. so they should be blaming themselves.
Many of us feel that our elections and "choice" were hijacked long ago.
FILM-VENEZUELA: Documentary Revolution
By Alejandro Kirk
MONTEVIDEO, Apr 26 (IPS) - For Venezuelan documentary maker Angel Palacios, truth is not impartial, but it is possible for the media to be independent, as long as they do not try to be ”independent of the world.”