Originally posted by Bob88
lol Fry! piss on Kofi! I want Butros Butros - he'd straighten this mess out.
Lupe is clearly against a war w/ Iraq. It's much easier to leave a tyrant and his regime in power allowing them to starve their own citizens while
oppressing Kurds and Shiites w/ chemical weapons, murdering the slightest bit of political opposition, disallowing the most basic rights and freedoms
to the people. Allowing Iraq to break 16 UN resolutions doesn't matter much either. Oh, lets not mind them shooting at allied aircraft because while
the UN passed a resolution calling for protection for the Kurds - the UN wanted to be P.C. and not specifically ask for a no fly zone. Sitting back
and turning a blind eye to Saddam and his thugs is what some call the ëtaking moral high ground.í I personally see America with all her power and
might as being weak if we canít stop such tyrants as Saddam ñ havenít we learned anything from the Hitlers, Stalins, and Maos of the world?
Lot's of red blooded Yankee vets opposed to this farce of a hostile corporate take over marketed as a war, Bob, not just them Brits!
These tired talking points you keep dragging out.....do you guys ever comparatively quantify the things you take up opposition to, in order to make
sure your 'house is clean', in other words?
Starving Iraqi Children - and the blockade has contributed how much towards that?
Kurds & Chem Weapons - You want to bring up what WE did back in the 70's & 80's with chemical warfare through proxy states? Iraq included? Giving
them the stuff then turning a blind eye when they used it kind of knocks us off the moral hill in that whole Kurd argument, no?
Rights & Crushing Dissent - What is your Arab shining beacon of Yankee Democratic values, Saudi Arabia!?!
Breaking UN Resolutions - I think they have a couple of 'gimmes' before they catch up to Israel, no? When are we bombing them?
Shooting at Planes - That no fly zones has creeped up to sorties between the 33rd & 36th parallels, and it includes knocking out
communications.....again, that whole thing of a sovereign nation AND responding to when someone brings a war to your front door is completely lost on
you people!?! I don't think any pilot wearing an American flag patch on his uniform would be allowed back in the country if he actually got hit with
that outdated crap they're firing at us...his CO would probably give him to the French!
Hitler Comparison - Saadam hasn't conquered anyone, doesn't have an industrialized country/economy on relevantly par with 1945 Germany, and uses
religion as a mass herd control mechanism far less than Hitler did - nope, no biggy here except the equivalent of a big mouth street thug boss.
Winston - no mistake, they of course have grown, but are still in the mix at every major global energy concern. that we are not privy to all, does not
mean the changes are not in motion; look up the Science forums for that very topic. Shell is very much involved publicly with the Icelandic
initiatives for applied hydrogen energy.
Given a 50 year time window of oil at current levels, not thinking that evolving to alternate energies is already being tested is naive. That leaves
us with the case as it is: maximizing and extracting every iota of profit to be had from the already established infrastructure.
Thus, the acceleration of wars in South America and the Middle East are simply a quid pro quo between a pliant government and the industry where their
Affirmative Reaction - no flame shame here, just hoping to see more substantive posts.....a couple of Cosmic Forum denizens already got the Rabid
Right Wing/Angry white Man market covered!