China Blocks USS Kitty Hawk Carrier from Hong Kong

Originally posted by mek12
If we, the American people had our way then there would be no American Troops in Iraq. Afghanistan is one thing. Iraq is a total LIE.

Umm...its not a lie. Stop believing the liberal media.

If we, the American people had our way then there would be no missles being set up in Eastern Europe.

What missiles are being setup in Eastern Europe?

If we had our way then there would be health coverage for all

Umm...its not the governments job to provide you with health coverage. Show me this in the constitution. Please stop saying 'we' when referring to the U.S.. Most people are against government national health care. You do NOT speak for the majority.

Yes The Chinese know more than most of us Americans do about how our own society.

Speak for yourself buddy. Perhaps they know more then you but that statement is ludicrous.

I am glad perhaps this will slow down US imperial take over.

Originally posted by Bushwacked
I am glad perhaps this will slow down US imperial take over.

Take over of what?
Please be specific and tell me what has the U.S. taken over? And please don't say the same old cliche of Iraq.

What better way to gather intel on an enemy fleet carrier than
allow it to dock in your own harbor. China has an ulterior
motive here. Snapshots of the latest gadgets perhaps?

Originally posted by Zeta115
What better way to gather intel on an enemy fleet carrier than
allow it to dock in your own harbor. China has an ulterior
motive here. Snapshots of the latest gadgets perhaps?

Intel that would be useless since it is being decommissioned next year and is the only Carrier to run on conventional fuel.

Originally posted by kdial1
Intel that would be useless since it is being decommissioned next year and is the only Carrier to run on conventional fuel.

Excellent point!
I'm glad you mentioned it because I had forgotton that it was close to being decommissioned.

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I'd like to add to that too Zeta about the snapshots of latest gadgets you mentioned.

As I stated in an earlier post we have sold the Taiwanese our Kidd class DDG's which have more advanced technology and there is no doubt that China has spies embedded in the Taiwanese Navy. Getting a ton of information about systems which hundreds of our fleed currently uses. Scary when you start to think about it. If they know what frequencies our systems run on then they know how to jam them.....think about that

Originally posted by mek12
Why the suprise. China considers America its #1 enemy. Both China and Russia have figured out that it is no longer the American people who make the decisions but it is greedy cooperations.

Actually that is incorrect. After having lived in China for quite sometime, it is interesting to see that every young person wants to come to America mostly to study. China just gets annoyed sometimes when the US involves itself in internal affairs of China. please enighten yourself.

If we, the American people had our way then there would be no American Troops in Iraq. Afghanistan is one thing. Iraq is a total LIE.
If we, the American people had our way then there would be no missles being set up in Eastern Europe.

Interesting I've met an awful lot of American people who disagree with you. I guess you don't speak for the American people.

If we had our way then there would be health coverage for all, but there isn't.(and don't tell me we can't afford it when were shipping pallet loads of cash to Iraq)

If we had our way then alot of those jobs would not have been shipped overseas.

And...what you would have rampart inflation and the purchasing power of your money would be far worse. The reason comapnies are moving operations to CHina, is simply because the Chinese people have a superior work ethic. Lets face it the majority of American poeple are lazy, hell without your Mexican slave albour, there would be one to do mnay of the menial tasks.

Yes The Chinese know more than most of us Americans do about how our own society.

How would you know ? Ever been to China ? Didn't think so.

Originally posted by kdial1
Scary when you start to think about it. If they know what frequencies our systems run on then they know how to jam them

They really cannot jam anything regarding the operation of the ship itself because everything is hard wired. Perhaps they can get some info regarding external communications but that would be about it.

This is just a little pissing contest. China cancels at the last minute to piss off America, then decides to invite them back. Gotta say America won this pissing contest by refusing to turn around and be played with by the Chinese mind games. The article suggests it may be because of a recent North American visit by the Dalai Lama, which in reality is probably a small part but not all of the motivation for this.

Interesting that China cited "strictly humanitarian" reasons for inviting the vessel to return. Allowing a few families to have thanksgiving together in Hong Kong should hardly be high on the priority list of "humanitarian" causes for the Chinese government.

Also good to note that you would never see a Chinese Navy Vessel dock in an American port (prove me wrong?). Could have been portrayed as a symbol of American Hegemony - had it happened. But in regards to that, Hong Kong is still a relatively international city compared to the rest of China, or even most American cities.

Other than that, Skeleton Hilary is OK, but Head Bangin' Cheney, Bush, and ?(was it Rumsfeld) on the trippy cruise was my favorite avatar around .

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www.newsgd.com...

latest chinese navy visit to USA - san diego in late 2006.

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Thank you very much. The best news release I could find regarding those visits came from the Canadian Navy website. HERE. China has sailed east only two times, once in 2000, then again in 2006. They were both goodwill tours, which were escorted the entire way by domestic military vessels (at least in Canada, so I assumed America would as well). They visit Victoria, SD, and Hawaii, among others. The troops go out to socialize with local communities, for example in Victoria they played a goodwill soccer game.

However, this has only ever happened twice, whereas the original article of the thread states that "Hong Kong, especially its raucous Wanchai bar district, has long been a regular port of call for resting U.S. sailors. The Kitty Hawk visited there for a Thanksgiving stopover in 2005." So this is something that happens often, and China at the last minute is playing some sort of game.

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Game or not, China has every right to refuse incoming ships whenever they feel like it.

It's their country, they can refuse anyone, at any time, and theres not a damn thing the rest of the world can say about it. May as well just go dock somewhere else.


Its not like the US ports would be very keen on letting a Chinese Military vessel dock at say, New York.

Originally posted by WuTang
This is just a little pissing contest. China cancels at the last minute to piss off America, then decides to invite them back. Gotta say America won this pissing contest by refusing to turn around and be played with by the Chinese mind games.

Won how ? I would say the Chinese won, because they showed their power. They said the US ships couldn't come in so the American Navy looked like fools sitting off shore, hoping the PRC would change its mind. I'm sure there was a bit f sucking up from the US governement.

Interesting that China cited "strictly humanitarian" reasons for inviting the vessel to return. Allowing a few families to have thanksgiving together in Hong Kong should hardly be high on the priority list of "humanitarian" causes for the Chinese government.

Yes they feel sorry for the poor US Naval sailor. Citing humanitarian circumstances is just another way of embarrassing the US.

Also good to note that you would never see a Chinese Navy Vessel dock in an American port (prove me wrong?).

It will happen, no doubt.

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Thank you sir. You just stuck it to all the whiny "We just stuck it to China by sailing to Japan" weenos in this thread.

This is really nothing to get worked up over. As far as I'm concerned, U.S. Navy warships should not be making port-of-calls anywhere. Its a legitimate security threat for our own servicemen and women.

Happy Thanksgiving to every single one of them.

What if the carrier was loaded with missle defense materials for placement in Taiwan? Impossible?

-or- The carrier was to be used as a blocking threat in case of a US strike on Iran?

Think back, say to August 2005. Remember? Was the US prepared to launch against Iran, and the Chinese and Soviets had huge war games. Looked like China was going after Taiwan if the US launched against Iran.









[edit on 22-11-2007 by pc is here]

Latest news on this as of 2pm EST was that China decided to allow the group to dock for Thanksgiving on "Humanitarian grounds" and no other reason.

english.aljazeera.net...

However, you guys are right, it was too late and the U.S. already had decided to head for Japan instead.

I like that, it makes us look good. "If you're going to deny us, then at the last minute take it back just to screw with us basically, we are gonna say screw your port, we will go to our nearby allies port, thats how many allies WE have."

Heheh..

i believe the imperial growth he is talking about is american imperial ambition and control as demonstrated by their actions in many third world countries such as panama, nicaragua, columbia, el salvador, venezuela, etc, and their use of guerrilla tactics and terrorism to install or attempt to install despotic dictatorships friendly to american corporate interests over the last 100 years of history. Thats not including our grab of hawaii, the phillipines, the pacific islands, and the attempt on cuba (who we SUPPOSEDLY were aiding in their bid for freedom from spain).

the missiles are the batteries we are attempting to put into eastern europe as a missile shield against russia
"The proposed placement of about 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar tracking station in the Czech Republic would pose a "clear threat" to Russia, Col. Gen. Vladimir Popovkin, chief of Russia's Space Forces, told reporters last week. He spoke after the United States announced it would open formal negotiations with the two former client states of the Soviet Union"
as of this year.

And my final comment is that im amazed how we criticize all the products coming from china when we regularly use highly toxic substances in our own products. From sodium nitrate in ALL processed meats (bacon, sausage, ALL cold cuts, hot dogs etc) which have been linked to leukemia and brain tumors in children, to MSG in ALL processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, and artificial sweeteners, all of which have large detrimental effects with extended use. Then there is the Flouride in our water (which is indisposable toxic waste from fertilizer plant chemical scrubbers), mercury in our vaccines(all flu vaccines STILL contain thimerosal).... ah hell i could go on and on. Just another example of our government being against other peoples drugs but for our own.

Well it makes no sense to me why the US would whip out its wee wee at the only nations that can do considerable damage to them.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful...They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
~George W. Bush

Originally posted by Bushwacked
I am glad perhaps this will slow down US imperial take over.

The imperial ways have long ended since WWII.

It is no longer in any nation's modern foreign policy to be imperialistic. Many colonies are currently seeking freedom through revolution, or have already sought freedom and have been liberated from their imperial empires. The Russian Empire is no more, the British Empire is no more, the French Empire is no more (not since 1954), and most certainly the American's never had an Empire, they merely had markets.

No imperialism, only force projection. Most of what drives the US nowadays is Capitalism and the search for new world markets. Many atrocities have been committed for new markets and they will continue to occur because there are only two options in a capitalistic society, either look for new markets, or implode. Money and power can go LONG way.

All one needs to do is read up on history and it's obvious what's going on. I'm not saying capitalism is bad, I love capitalism, but I hate the way we execute it. There is definitely a better way to do things, the way they do things now... well they just think it's cheaper and easier.

Shattered OUT...