Freemasonry, the truth shall set you free.

I have been on these forums for quite a while now, reading stories and exchanging theories etc. I am still by no means any scholar of Freemasonry, however after now having joined the Masons I have a few points I would like to make. Bear with me.

#1. Nothing you ever read will ever make complete and total sense unless you are a Mason. Period.

I have read a lot regarding Masonry both on the web and off and after joining Masonry I have realized that my understanding of what I have read is completely different. Masonry is an experience and as such, it's very difficult for people to describe what the experiences of Masonry entail let alone speculate on it without ever having gone through it themselves. The only way to find the real truth behind what Masonry is, is to experience it for yourself so as to better understand it and what you read about it.

#2. Freemasonry is different for everyone!
I have had the majority of my family plea with me not to join Masonry. They all have their own ideas as to what it is and what it entails. Being raised by a VERY Catholic family and then joining the Masons was a very big deal for me personally. Tails of the end of the world being brought forth by the Masons in their quest for world domination etc etc. Let's put it this way, if you work at Burger King and 2 of your co workers plan to rob the diner, does this make the employees of the entire chain guilty?

As I said before in another post, Freemasonry opens doors to pathways while providing you the opportunity to do with them as you will. You join Freemasonry on your own free will and accord and from that point on the decisions you make while involved are your own. Freemasonry simply connects you to a global network of people who all share in the same bond, experiences and connection by which to grow from. Not all of these Masons are good, most of them are. It's up to you to decide what you wish to do within Masonry and with whom you wish to do it with.

#3. There are no secrets.
This one I myself thought was BS before joining, however, once you join the Masons, you know what to look for and when you do, you will realize that its EVERYWHERE on the web.

People think that because there were Masons who were convicted of kidnapping another Mason in the early 1800's for blabbing about them, they think that Masonry is bad. At the time, everything that made the Masons who they were was very sacred to them. At the time, there were secrets. Secrets that gave these men something to share amongst themselves that no other human being could share and experience and it was this that kept Masons together. What you had then was an expression of how the great whole is more important than the one. The one being the mand who was kidnapped and vanished.

These things still exist today, however they arent secret any longer.

Now, before you castrate the Masons for those actions, consider this.

How many people have died at the hands of Catholics or
any religion fighting to become supreme or protect themselves?

If a member of the Vatican held a dear secret of the faith and openly prepared to disclose this information...do you honestly think he would live much longer?

In summary, the point I am trying to make is, the real truth is in sharing of the experiences and moving forward with your life while learning something new. It's up to you to do what you wish with what is provided although the hope is that you will use your experience and network for the good of man.

If you ever really want to know what goes on, join. Until then, be happy knowing that nothing you read will ever contain the real truth as the real truth lies within yourself.

I hope I have made some sense here in my late night rambling...

Oh, do me a favor and buy this CD.
Just Left Town
We need to sell out by Feb 23 due to my presenting them to several major labels in NYC in Feb....help me out!

Mogus

#1 and #2 I agree (bear in mind we have a fellowship which is entirely non-denominational and brings people from many creeds together), #3 I don't.

Most people will find that the particular way in which they learn secrets is also the only way they can communicate them.

A well thought out post on your experiences, which I enjoyed reading.

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em or subverssion from the inside.....to each his own as long as it does encroach on others................................................................

[Edited on 31-1-2004 by clearmind]

Congaratualations on your new found happiness Mogus. I have been thinking seriously about applying for membership myself for sometime now.

Thats a kicking CD too. Did you produce that?

Thanks for the support!

I manage both the band and the producer who created the album.

The producer (Ian Schreier) recently had an album he worked on last year nominated for a Grammy, so needless to say its an exciting time.

The band more or less produced this album and Ian mixed and mastered it. He had some production involvement as well but it was limited as the band worked out of two different studios to complete it.

The band is showcasing in NYC in Feb for several labels so we are more or less calling all cars to jump up numbers before then.

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As for Masonry, before I joined I had a lot of preconceptions based on the garbage I've read online. After going through the initial degree, I can now see the tiny bits of truth burried within all the trash. This stemming from conversations I've had since and knowing more about what to look for in my research etc.

I still have a lot to learn and my experience has only just begun, however, I plan to do a lot within Masonry and look forward to the future.

The first leap in is the hardest....

Mogus, if there are no secrets. i would like u to tell me what u have learned from being a mason. maybe u could enlighten us...

Just because a handful of people have broken their oathes doesnt mean those oathes have no meaning to the rest.

If you want a better understanding then join and learn for yourself.



[Edited on 31-1-2004 by Mogus]

Mogus

I just want to know how does it feel to be a shape shifting alien reptile overlord? Or you just work for them?

Either way can you get me hired on? I am tired of working at a chicken plant

Congratulations Mogus! I petitioned our local lodge about a month ago and the investigative committee arrived shortly there after. I'm to be voted on Feb 10th then to initiation. Looking foward to it!

I heard that Mason only answer to a one person? Is that true?

Congrats may your endless search for light not drive you madly insane!

Sorry old chums but a number of high level masons have left over the years and their idea of what Freemasonry is all about differs from you benign suggestions. Sure many masons are good people and believe they are doing good (although most people join masonry primarily for self-advancement, which is not in of itself wholy altruistic I think), but it is who runs the organization that best knows what its main objectives and purposes are.

Couldn't of said it better my self

Sorry old chums but a number of high level masons have left over the years and their idea of what Freemasonry is all about differs from you benign suggestions. Sure many masons are good people and believe they are doing good (although most people join masonry primarily for self-advancement, which is not in of itself wholy altruistic I think), but it is who runs the organization that best knows what its main objectives and purposes are.

Neo,
the thing that is great about you is, you really have no original thoughts or convictions of your own, yet you ramble about repeating the thoughts of others. Everything you say either comes from another website or is something someone told you.

Sometimes the things you say actually make sense and on rare occasions I find the content of your posts interesting, however, your trying to establish yourself as an oracle of all things without actually having any idea as to what your talking about.

A parrot can repeat the words of others.

It takes a simple mind to repeat another mans convictions as his own and put shame on those who don't agree.

Your as opaque as a clean window...

Yes, those high above know better the true meanings behind that which makes up Masonry. It's no secret. As is the same for any other organization in the world.
Are you suggesting anything new?

As for me being a shape shifting overloard, all I can say is that when you join the Masons, you get a discount card for Jergens so as to appease the skin around the slowly protruding scales. Thank goodnesssssss!

Originally posted by oconnection
Couldn't of said it better my self

I know you have a strong interest in the purpose of Freemasonry. Also, I know you can do better. Try harder in your search.

Who really thinks there is a supreme world overlord? Why would there be?

Have a closer look at the organizational structures, and learn what it is for different "constitutions" to be in relation with one another, and try to determine from that how there could be any form of global council led by evil people seeking a non-benign New World Order or being infiltrated by "Illuminati".

Levels of attainment are meaningful in only symbolic ways, this is known to "senior" members who make their mark on the world in significant ways elsewhere and who are devoted to their Freemasonry for the non-material non-self-advancing purpose for which they entered.

[Edited on 1-2-2004 by MaskedAvatar]

i find the incorrect inner/under/over standings of maat/tehuti to be a large protion as to why there is much non comprehension of all things realted masonic...

as well this inner standing is not something that can just be given away for that would breed complacency for the knowlegde possessed...

further, 33 1/3 is only a fraction of the knowledge of maat/tehuti and very few actually "want" or desire the full 360o for fear of the unknown...

i would concur that the entire world could/would not be masonic, yet the paradox; how do you create an environment conducive to free thought and free minds? i find the safeguards put in place to retain the knowledge possessed may actually derail the purpose of enlightening minds; thus the second paradox; only the self has the power of realization of the free mindedness of the self, others can not "show" you these things, yet others can assist in providing help while you decide to learn these things through experiences...

quite the quandry...

i've been a lot of things in life and i may decide to turn in my application; my only issue; the lack of respect for the originators of the knowledge these people seem to possess; yet i may be incorrect, and only looking at the situation from the exterior...

Originally posted by foolishbeing

i've been a lot of things in life and i may decide to turn in my application; my only issue; the lack of respect for the originators of the knowledge these people seem to possess; yet i may be incorrect, and only looking at the situation from the exterior...

Can you elaborate on these originators?

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Who really thinks there is a supreme world overlord? Why would there be?

Your right I need to look harder. But it's been difficult getting any solid facts on this topic. It seems I stuck between two extremes. I feel like I can't fully believe what a Masons tells me (no offense). I also can't fully believe what a lot of the conspiracy theorist says. So I seem to be picking choosing what seems to line up with what I've learned so far.

This is what has kept me so interested in this subject. 5 months trying to study this topic & I still don't have anything close to clear picture of what Freemasonry is. Honestly If someone asked me what is Freemasonry I couldn't tell them. I see two different versions of this society one conflicting with the other. So it�s been a very rocky road during my study. I prob spent about $400 just on books on the subject. But I still feel unsatisfied that I have not answered all the questions. I guess you could almost call it obsessive compulsive. hehe

I was the kid that when there mother told them not to stick my finger in the electrical socket I always did out of curiosity. I've been like this sense I could remember. I don't thing I will rest until I figure this puzzle out.

So I will keep on studying ...

i honestly don't know how to honestly tell you...

but am i mistaken in knowing that the knowledge is not 2000yrs old? i don't know can you fill in some blanks?

i have heard it's like a binding contract, like a fellowship(like the one taken in LOTR) and once affiliated one is binded to keep oaths and secrets withing the group?!?but again i don't know...

i've heard/learned through reading/observing that a large majority of esoteric work contained within groups that are esoteric come from a central point; but again what are perceptions, im just a fool...

I drove by the Mason Lodge where I would be attending should I join yesterday. It is an old brick church building with all the windows bricked up. I guess they don't want anyone spying on them.

Is it true that all religions stem from kaballism?