My Eight Year Old Son, The Criminal

Originally posted by guanna
Thanks all for the supportive and kind words. I guess it is a federal and state crime to make any gesture with harmful intent. That is what the officer told me. I do not know a specific statute or anything. I clarified that this law did not only apply to school, basically, if you walked up to a person, pointed your finger, and this person, or anyone around, felt their safety was endangered, then you broke the law.

Did they happen to tell you the exact law? What state are you in?

Im a Criminal Justice major and im curious as to what the law on this issue says.

[edit on 1-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

I'm amazed that an 8 yo can be charged at all. In Canada anyone under 12 can NOT be charged. Man, things are screwy below the border.

I have 2 boys (8 and 11) in school. The schools are becoming a joke. All the teachers do now is push the Taks test on these kids. Basically they go over everything on the test so the kids know it just so they pass. Higher percentage of students passing equals more $$$$$$$$ and that is what it is all about now. No one gives a damn about our kids. They are pawns in this corrupt government used to push their agendas.
Gone are the days where a teacher would see a quality in a student and work on that. Gone are the days where a student feared the teacher and principal( fear as in respect) because they knew if they got out of line the punishment would be swift. Gone are the days where if you got punished in school that was the least of your worries, you were more worried about what Dad or Mom would do. Gone are the days of common sense and good judgement because teachers and principals can't make decisions anymore because our government does it for them by way of thousands of pages of rules and laws written by men and women with bigger agendas.
I am sorry for the long rant, but I am sick of it. Thanks for giving me the forum to vent.

The media wont do a thing for you, they wont go against the DHS, no matter how ridiculous it is.
I remember another case that involved zero tolerance and an honor student.
The story is from memory so it may lack details and Im not going to look it up right now.
A H.S. Honor student was transferring some steak knives from point A to point B, for his Mom.
One of the knives fell out in the floor board of his vehicle and was seen by the roving security guard who looked into his car window and saw the knife.
This kid was said to be an ideal student, smart and popular with no history of trouble, yet he was severely punished for having a steak knife.
I cannot recall his punishment but he was either expelled or sent to alternative school, where the real criminal type students are.
The press got involved but nothing happened, the school more or less said this is our policies and we have zero tolerance for violations, end of story.

How times have changed, I went to a small East Tx. Country school for 3 years in H.S. and would regularly take my Beeman pellet rifle to school and me and friends would have target practice with it out at the Ag Center just behind the school.
I even had some hick pull a knife on me and a friend during lunch, I hit him in the face with my history book and he dropped the knife and apologized lol..
I didnt report him but if I wouldve they probably wouldve just taken his knife until the end of the year..

Go to the website of the clerk of courts for your county and copy/paste exactly what it tells you the charges are. I know somebody is being untruthful or mistaken in this story, I just don't know if it is you or the "officer" you spoke with.

Warning to all American parents. Throw out all toy guns!. If hand gestures are against the law due to intent, then what will toy guns do.

No more playing games with guns like we all did as youngsters. Now your child may be shot just for running around with a toy and pointing it at someone.

Move to Canada folks, no Home Land Security here to worry about.



[edit on 1/11/07 by Rhain]

reply to post by AlphaHumana


That is why im curious as to what the exact law states, that the child is being charged with.

Ive done some searching, but nothing has come up yet.

OP?

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The charges could possibly be terroristic threat, which in Tx is a class C Misdemeanor.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

The charges could possibly be terroristic threat, which in Tx is a class C Misdemeanor.

Right, but im still curious as to the exact language of the law...and how it was applied to charging this child. And what exactly "is" the charge. Im also curious as to the state/jurisdiction this happened it.

Im not saying I dont believe you, the OP, im just curious about the law/charge itself

and yet another reason to validate what i said in so many post there is no justice left in this country we must take it back before its too late one person can change another person's mind but it takes blood sweat and tears to change life for the better and for now there has not been enything that has really pushed people enough what will it take before enough people decide that its time to get control back and dispose of all these stupid laws that have been made against us.

i dont want a lawless land i want a place where i can be free to walk outside naked to pick up my newspaper if i feel like it without worrying about the censor police

i want to be able to have a home without basically turning into a slave in order to pay for it only to keep paying taxes afterwards

i want free healtcare this country should make sure its people have a high standart of living here instead of security

if you build a wall around you to protect your self from the rest of the world all that you have accomplished is becoming a prisioner in of your own fears

so i say that the justice system and the goverment need to be re-imagined
i dont want to live in a socialist country either i think if you work hard for something you should deserve it and those who dont shouldnt be able to get the thing you worked hard for

i think we should do away with money and just use trade as currency that way everyone will have to be productive or else they will starve.

sorry i got carried away in my thought

Guanna,

Don't assume they are going to drop charges. Also, if your kid is actually charged make sure you demand a jury trial, with a court-ordered attorney. That will indicate you don't intend to go down without a fight, and quite frankly the county will not want to shell out the money and time for such a minor case; hopefully dropping all charges. [In the ideal world, you would then immediately follow-up with a lawsuit against the school and police.]

My guess is they will try to squeeze you with some pre-trial agreement mandating 'counseling' for your kid. And that means forced drugging, for sure. Avoid that at all costs.


ps
Try to get the kid's father involved, if at all possible. Defending his son is his job.

[edit on 1-11-2007 by starviego]

Originally posted by Rhain
Move to Canada folks, no Home Land Security here to worry about.

I wouldn't be too sure of that:


--"I wonder why my household has been under surveillance by law enforcement for 6 years now? Makes no sense to me!!."

--"The police are watching me. They actually think I don't know this. They are monitering my movements. ... Hey pigs....You shouldn't be pretending to be nice little goth girls, and doing surveilance on people....It's just not nice."

Quoted from Kimveer Gill’s online ramblings


[edit on 1-11-2007 by starviego]

This zero tolerance stuff is getting sillier and sicker by the day.

Looks like kids can't play cowboys or army anymore. What happens when the government wants young men to sign up for the military in 10 or 15 years.

The new agenda being pushed is do what we want you to do and give us what little money you as an average person can earn. Is 'H#ll in a hand basket' starting to fit in about now.

Dial up woes - delete double post

[edit on 11/1/2007 by roadgravel]

Welcome to the new world brought to you via, political correctness.

Wow, I didn't realize it had gotten this bad. Yet another reason to either homeschool or move out of the states.

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to start off this is a very stupid thing that the school is doing but ive been through the juvenile system a couple of times and have seen countless others go through the juvenile legal system some younger than your son. first off what exactly is he being charged with you can call the district attorneys offica and get a copy of the papers.... was their a arrest warrant? if there wasnt then itll propably end in a judicial slap on the wrist dont let me see you in court ever again type situation or community service or possibly probation. judging by his age im going to say they arent going to give him probation. if they were going to consider giving him any kind of jail time he would have spent three days in the juvenile detention center and then had to go to a detainment hearing. but they have alreaddy atleast based on the action of not arresting have deemed he doesnt need to be detained. so i dont see any sort of jail time happening. community service isnt exactly the greatest thing ever either but is better than probation. as far as a attorney goes first offense at age 8....talk to the other kids mom and get a public defender. some of you are going to say dont get a public defender but a public defender just got me off of armed robbery assault with a deadly weapon and battery with 3 years probation in which the max sentence i was looking at was 14 years in the state department of corrections so they are alright as far as lawyers go...and free. but im saying he'll get a slap on the wrist and thats saying if the judge (which it may surprise you how judges are) doesnt throw the case out when the evidence is brought forth. like i said though if he was going to jail they would have already had him in a facility even if it is just a holding facility.

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im assuming its propably just threateningor public affray and the more i think about it maybe she shouldnt talk to the other kids mom it may be seen as intimidating a witness.

[edit on 1-11-2007 by justanothergangster]

Originally posted by eyewitness86
Many kids with Oppositional Defiance Disorder ( ODD ) are unable to resist acting out in ways that get attention: They do not stop and consider if it will have consequences or not. I have seen this madness firsthand with my son.

He has various disabilities that are behaviroally linked and he has been suspended four times and charged with Disorderly Conduct once ( at age 11 and 12 !!) for nothing more than being too fidgety or obstinant while going thru a change of meds..WITH a doctors note advising that there would be reactions. They would NOT let me just keep him home during that time..they insist on attendance!! But then they freak out over nonsense.

My son has been disiplined for ' looking mean at another person ', and for ' mumbling that aggravates others ', etc. ANY two bit silly thing is not a matter for the cops and Homeland Security!! Amazing..simply sickening. If this is not proof positive of an impending police state, what is?

ODD is another made up illness to sell prescription drugs, your son is totally normal, but your school is extremely abnormal. Homeland Security must be abolished, as well as its out of control "zero tolerance," foolishness.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

The charges could possibly be terroristic threat, which in Tx is a class C Misdemeanor.

Right, but im still curious as to the exact language of the law...and how it was applied to charging this child. And what exactly "is" the charge. Im also curious as to the state/jurisdiction this happened it.

Im not saying I dont believe you, the OP, im just curious about the law/charge itself

Its called homeland security law. You can be charged for any infraction they make up. The system now is geared to create a record in there database to follow you for life.