San Francisco Wants to Help Junkies Shoot Up

reply to post by myowncrusade


It seems like you MADE the choice to quit. This most likely was not because someone said "OK if you are going to do drugs you can do them here."
Most of the responses here have nothing to do with ignorance or fear. I view most of the responses as not wanting to pay for some other moron’s bad choices.

You admit to using drugs so have I but let's be honest it was a pretty stupid choice on our parts. Same goes for any other person out there doing drugs it is a foolish choice. I for one get tired of paying for stupid people. Let the survival of the fittest take place I say. If the stupid die or get a disease so be it they chose that path. If they cause harm to another they will pay accordingly. It's time that people step up and realize they make their own choices, yeah bad things happen that is how life works but you either move on or you get trampled below the feet of the oncoming. Sounds harsh but that’s life bad things happen to a lot of people. Things that they do not deserve or have control of but drugs are not going to help. Life can take you down some very dark and horrible roads but in the end it is our choice as a person to start taking drugs or not as well as to stop taking drugs.

Not a one of my ex-drug using friends would have quit if they had been told “ok do your drugs here.” No they would have continued, why stop when you are being given a place to do it.

Besides who said drug users are evil? They are in fact dealing with poor self esteem, problems in their present life, problems in their past but they are looking for an escape from something. They are misguided and foolish not evil.

Just because people are having a problem getting over some block in their life does not mean we should allow or even help them feed their addiction. There are a lot of things people can be addicted to and nowhere does it help to say it is OK to continue that addiction.

Let’s look at things logically just because they use the place does not mean they are still not going to be throwing needles on the ground someplace else nor does it take away the danger they may pose to themselves or society.

People addicted to alcohol, gambling, porn or whatever else always get more help by removing them from the item of their addiction than just placing them in a place where it remains.

The more I think about this proposal, and the more I read the posts of the supporters of this idea, the more morally reprehensible it seems.

In essence, people are saying to go ahead and enable the addicts to keep them out of sight of the rest of the population. Make life nice for everybody else while helping the addicts down a path of self-destruction.

Put it this way. If the addicts were friends of mine, I would NOT be encouraging them to come over to my house to shoot up in my living room. I would NOT be going out to buy clean needles for them. I would do whatever I could to help them get off the heroin. I would not just give up on them.

reply to post by robert z


Well having them on the street and shooting up in your back yard is way better???

I struggle to appreciate the reasoning.

As I see it, establishing an area where addicts can freely inject themselves and acquire drug paraphernalia, is a bad idea.
People can argue that we, as a society, should do everything we can to help those around us. That's pure bull IMO. These people having chosen this particular vice to indulge in, and such is their lot in life. Perhaps now they have a hard time quitting the drug, but there are centers set up to help people quit drugs. Perhaps they didn't make the best choice, but such is life. If they are lucky enough, they will quit before they OD,

reply to post by Raist


Well go google "the war on drugs" and you will realise you are spending a fair old chunk out of your paycheck on an unwinnable war and have been for years.
It's not like this is a new thing.

reply to post by BloodthirstyCapitalist


Alright, I was going to repeat myself again for the third time for ppl that can't be arsed to read the whole thread, but instead I will ask:

How will we fix the drug problem?
We are losing the drug war blatantly. How would you make your country free from "the drug problem"?

reply to post by robert z


So you would beat the crap out of them and throw them in a hole on felony possession charges because of their disease? Lock them in a closet with a bible until they're "clean"? Because that is the other option here.

Addiction is a disease, one without any real cure. It changes the wiring in your brain and there is no real way to get it back to the way it was before. This is NOT a moral failing. Drugs are not a moral issue, they are a medical one.

With no cure, all that can be offered is treatment. Would you forbid treatment to those suffering from AIDS? It was caused by "bad choices" as well. Would you forbid insulin to type 2 diabetics who's condition was caused by dietary habits? I'd wager you wouldn't, in either case. So why deny the treatment needed by addicts?

Yes, oftentimes that treatment is a fix. Oh well. Y'know what providing that fix does? It takes the dealers out of business. it removes the dangers of overdoses, diseased needles, and bad batches. It keeps these people from having to give blowjobs to find a couch to sleep on.

I suppose it's more moral to enjoy the suffering of other human beings and gloat in the fact you aren't in their condition?

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UPDATE: The Discussion Of "Illegal Activity" On The Above Network Sites (ATS, BTS, AP).

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