Chemtrail Photo, WOW!!!!

Originally posted by sir_chan
As for the chemtrails over the Atlantic. It may be due to the fact that the easterly wind will bring them inland so as to get a full disapation over land.

Except that the prevailing winds over the US, go west to east, which would deposit these quite harmlessly in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Though as they are nothing more then water vapor, they never actually land unless they come down as rain.

Originally posted by sir_chan
Also the fact that these chemtrails over the Atlantic ocean run North to South, which would eliminate overseas travels as a reason for them to be there.

But it does not eliminate flights traveling from South Florida to New England. Those flights do not follow right along the coast, they make a straight line and can travel over water at times. The area of ocean you are referring to is a sort of inward dip in the US near the Carolinas, aircraft don’t bother to go around this, they simply go straight across it. Therefore a flight going from Miami to Newark, which is to the northeast, would go across water at that point. The airline I worked for in Florida used to send about half of its flights to JFK or ERW.

Thank you Mirthful, I will humbly bury my head in shame for a moment. Ok, now that that's over with, I must ask why is it so important for the confirmation of the site? And what is a Research plane doing with exhaust manifolds coming out of the side of the plane doing? What exactly are they researching? Maybe all this is too much for me.

Here is everything about that aircraft and exactly what each instrument measures:
Research Aircraft Facility

Ummmm...

Originally posted by sir_chan
Thank you Mirthful, I will humbly bury my head in shame for a moment. Ok, now that that's over with, I must ask why is it so important for the confirmation of the site?

"Deny Ignorance" ring a bell?

Originally posted by defcon5
Except that the prevailing winds over the US, go west to east, which would deposit these quite harmlessly in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Though as they are nothing more then water vapor, they never actually land unless they come down as rain.

Ok, that is good to know about the wind patterns. See, that is why I like this site. Lot of stuff to stomach, but i am definately getting some education. They should teach this stuff in schools...

Ok, deny ignorance. My new motto!!!!

However, and maybe I am pushing it, but would it not be ignorant to think that just because this plane is a "research plane" does not mean it couldn't cause a chemtrail. The website listed above showing the planes specifications clearly shows that it does exhaust particles and even gives the tolerance to these particles being exhausted out. www.pnl.gov...

Also, does anybody have any thoughts on the Morgellans I mentioned earlier? Could the disease possibly be a build up of particles that are being inhaled into the body and creating fiberous materials for some reason?

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They used to teach stuff about the weather in science class when I was in school.
While the wind may do different things in different areas and in certain circumstances, generally weather moves over the northern hemisphere west to east:

Q: Does weather move from west to east because of the Coriolis effect?
A: The Coriolis effect is an apparent force caused by the Earth’s spin that deflects moving air to the right in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere. Without this effect, air would move directly from high to low pressure. With the Coriolis effect, air circulates in patterns that depend on latitude. At the mid-latitudes of the USA, most weather systems move from west to east. However, systems tend to move from east to west near the poles and in the tropics.
(Answered by meteorologist Tony Pann of WUSA-TV in Washington, January 4, 2007)

Also the Jet stream:

Jet Stream
The major jet streams are westerly winds (flowing west to east) in both the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere, although in the summer, easterly jets can form in tropical regions. The path of the jet typically has a meandering shape, and these meanders themselves propagate east, at lower speeds than that of the actual wind within the flow.

I hope that helps some, but someone like Essan can probably answer this stuff better then I can.

Originally posted by sir_chan
The website listed above showing the planes specifications clearly shows that it does exhaust particles and even gives the tolerance to these particles being exhausted out.

It does measure exhaust from aircraft, and pollution from other sources such as coal burning. These things do enter the atmosphere and muck it up. In order to prove scientifically that the aircraft is not reading its own exhaust, I am sure they must provide numbers showing exactly how much exhaust that is, so they can calibrate for it.

All combustion engines have exhaust, but that is not what you are seeing as a trail in the sky. The formations that folks call chemtrails are actually frozen water vapor from the hot engine working in a cold environment. It’s the same thing as what comes out of the back of your car on a cold morning; the difference being in the persistence of that cloud. In the atmosphere, depending on the temperature and humidity, those vapor trails can persist and become normal cloud cover.

The reason why I can confidently say that these are normal contrails in the photo above, is simply due to location in proximity to airports. Meaning these are contrails coming from normal commercial airliners, such as those I have personally worked on. You will hear Chemtrail believer’s state that they know what a normal contrail looks like, and that they cannot persist, but this has been proven untrue. Photos of persistent contrails dating back to WWII are easy to show as evidence that persistent contrails have existed as long as aircraft have. The reason for the increase in contrails over the last two decades is simply due to increased aircraft numbers, and newer high-by-pass turbo fan engines pulling in more air and running at higher temperatures.

Originally posted by sir_chan
does anybody have any thoughts on the Morgellans I mentioned earlier? Could the disease possibly be a build up of particles that are being inhaled into the body and creating fiberous materials for some reason?

I believe that Byrd had some good posts on this subject in a different thread. I am not sure that this disease really exists, nor do I know much about it. To claim it is due to chemtrails is quite a leap in logic, IMHO. There have, in the past, been a few times that things have been sprayed on the population, but those are on a small scale, and don’t look anything like the contrail/chemtrails you see online. In reality, if the government wanted to force feed something to the population, there are much easier and more secretive ways of doing it then via aircraft.

I wonder why people keep bringing up 'morgellens disese' when there are other very strange illnesses we have no REAL CLUE where they are coming from.
What about Fibromyalgia and restless leg syndrom? all kinds of 'syndroms' could be suspected to be caused by chemtrails I would think.

What about the bees? Are chemtrails hurting the bees?

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One of my uncles had Fibromyalgia. He went to the doctors in his town and they told him it was all in his head. Then he went to another doctor that injected him in the spine with some fluid that was never discloded us. (the family) The fluid made him lose complete control of himself. He lost control of his bodily functions and he couldnt talk, walk, or even stand up and the doctors told his wife he was fine and sent him home like that. She had to call another one of my uncles to come and help her get him into their van. About two month later he shot himself with a 30-06 hunting rifle in the chest. I guess it wasnt all in his head was it. I urge anyone that has something like Fibromyalgia or any other kind of mysterious illness of anykind to find a specialist no matter how far away and not go to a regular hospital. The doctors are bad where he lived (north dakota) for using people as test subjects for new untested "medicine". South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana are also bad for using humans for test subjects. More swine for the BBQ.

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As for chemtrails, the japanese did testing with infected fleas dispersed in the air by planes and found that the concentration wasnt enough to cause any harm. They actually had to land all the fleas in a particular spot by using specially made bombs. I just dont think there is anything that you can spray in the air that could cause harm to the human body, like a virus or disease wise. Personally I dont think checmtrail are anything. I havent seen anykind of proof that has made me worry about them.


(Edit-added another link)
Unit 731
Added the wiki page for Japanese Unit 731. Unit 731 did test on the Chinese for "scientific" reasons, including aerial dispersion of chemicals and infected "pest", clothes, and food, amongst other thing.


Unit 731-another page

Witnesses recall watching Japanese airplanes dropping a mixture of wheat, millet, soy beans, rice, cotton fibers, paper and fabric cuttings, aerial spraying pathogens over the cities . They all had been coated with the biological organism or with fleas and brought the germs to people.

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Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
What about the bees? Are chemtrails hurting the bees?

You may be on to it there. One question for those in the US. Why do they use specialised planes for it there? Here (South Australia) they just use normal commercial jetliners. They sprayed HEAVILY the day Rumsfeld was in Adelaide 6 months or so ago (if that means anything). Planes come from Perth, spray over Adelaide, turn it off and then divert course slightly to go to their original destination (Melbourne or Sydney usually). It's so obvious too! There's no reason Adelaide flight controllers would tell them to change course because they are at 30,000ft.

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It has been shown on here time and again that there is no chemtrail spraying occurring with commercial airliners. First they are not equipped for such a thing, second they cannot hold the chemicals, third the passengers are not going to wait while the pilot flies all over the sky, fourth it would be impossible to keep secret due to the number of civilians involved, fifth all servicing equipment is known to airport enthusiasts, sixth there are no facilities to store the chemical at the airports, seventh it would wreak havoc on the weight and balance, and so on. If you would like I can go on with the reasons all day long.

There are many posts by myself and other aviation folks which show this to be the truth on this website. I suggest looking up some of those posts.

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
so what leads you to believe this picture isn't of just normal contrails?

Couldn't this just be from the normal traffic of our airliners?

That's exactly what it is.

Of course, you should never beleive anything a meteorologist or atmospheric scientists. or indeed anyone who knows the slightest thing about clouds, tells you - especially those studying the climate impact of aircraft contrails - because they're all in the employ of the reptilian NWO or whatever

www.nasa.gov...

www.grida.no...


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you all bring up great points, and I am on the same page - which I consider to be reality, however I am still not convinced that chemtrails do not exist, and that contrails are the explanation for everything.

I mean, these things DID exist at one point. they were designed and tested by Jim Phelps. He admits it, and has the original documentation posted all over the place.

members.aol.com...

he is also totally into conspiracy theories, and I wouldn't doubt he's come across these boards before. I doubt that adds anything to his credibility, and probably hurts him - although his background is legit.

His research, and that of a few others i have come across still has me believing chemtrails are a reality.

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it is very intoresting to see an average pasanger plane with that sort of modifications. i personally think that if that was "legal" then the plane would not look so...innocent, if you see what i mean, if that plane was say for agricultural use etc then surely it uld have some form of logo, warning, symbol on it to indicate this? thats just my opinion tho, i could be wrong, but there is something about it that looks quite sinister

I invented the Global Shield concepts at Oak Ridge National Lab back in the mid-1980s after finding that human activities had damaged the cloud shielding systems for the planet that was causing Global Warming and a rise in CO-2 in the atmosphere..

I'm reminded of a quote by Lisa Simpson "I know those words, but in that order they make no sense" (or words to that effect).

Global Shield is the most successful of the global warming re-mediation methods and literally uses all commercial jet flights to seed cloud systems over continents, which also cause increases in clouds over polar regions to slow down the ice melts and help the oceans absorb more CO-2 from the atmosphere.

Well, it's not working is it Probably because high level clouds - such as those produced by aircraft, cause more warming.

Indeed, there is a great deal of research currently being undertaken to better understand the climatic impacts of such clouds, and find ways of reducing their formation.

The problem with Jim Phelps is that he didn't research the subject properly before making up his wild fantasies. He could do with brushing up on his grammar too. His website looks like it was written by a 6 year old.

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Interesting picture. Wonder why they over the atlantic ocean as well?

Because they are CONtrails not CHEMtrails...

I'm going to throw a twist into this whole manner...What if these "chemtrails" are the only reason we haven't had a full scale invasion from other beings? lol..j/k that plane in the picture is use for testing I seen a few in Dalton, Ga at the local airport there the local college has some courses that deal with how they test for air pressure and all sorts of other crap. It does look like it would be used for no good though.

Originally posted by sir_chan
...And what is a Research plane doing with exhaust manifolds coming out of the side of the plane doing? What exactly are they researching?...

How do you know they are "exhaust manifolds". They could be air intakes and air velocity guages. If this really is an atmospheric research plane, then these very well could be air intakes, not exhaust.

For example, look the photo of the long thin pitot tube (the one with the orange sheath). You can see on the photo of the whole plane that the nozzle is pointing forward. If it was an exhaust nozzle, wouldn't it work better if it was pointing backward?

I don't know the purpose of that group of 4 instruments (the ones that look like air horns). It does look like the air will exhaust through the back of them, but that fact that the front looks like some sort of air INTAKE makes me believe that this instrument is for atmospheric research.


...and to the OP, exactly what evidence are you presenting to show that these trails are actually something different than ordinary everday water vapor contrails -- the kind I can see on just about any clear day.

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How could I have missed the obvious spray nozzles on the more than 75 flights a year I take in the continental US?