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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 07:52 AM by scientist
could someone explain this "left wing media" to me?



reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 08:00 AM by Jaruseleh
reply to post by marg6043



Wrong.

I know plenty of military people (it's not just generals who want to "advance their career") who completely disagreed with Clinton on the whole Kosovo thing. Pleasing the Commander in Chief is not why Generals do what they do...at least not in a case like this. You people talk like they're robots...they're human, and if they don't think it's worth being there, do you really think they want to send more soldiers to their deaths? You'd be really surprised, but more often than not, "higher ups" in the military look out for their troops, but they also understand that what needs to be done, needs to be done.

As far as left wing media explaination, just look at Fox News, then think about them being PRO hillary/obama/edwards. Fox = Conservative; Everyone Else = Liberal. It's not rocket science. They all have an agenda.


reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 10:06 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Jaruseleh



The problem is that the mission was accomplished by the military standards.

What Iraq is now is not the fault of the military but the agendas of the ones behind the military actions in that nation and the region..

Now Iraq is caca due to corporate greed, deceptions, disregard for the desires of the Iraqi population and the pushing of a government that is not what the population of that nation wants Petreus will say what is good for the ears of the politicians he serves, to the American people that the politicians wants to sell this war too, and from a military stand point is not much he can do, after the actual mission was accomplished, our military is not trained on the affairs of nations rebuilding and never had to deal with a cultural mess as the one only found in the middle east.


reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 10:11 AM by Jaruseleh
reply to post by marg6043




Let me ask you this quesion: Which do you think would have been better? The U.S. hammering Iraq with Shock and Awe, then leaving having declared victory, OR The U.S. hammering Iraq with Shock and Awe, then sticking around to help rebuild/stablize the country?

Most people's answer would be "we shouldn't have done it in the first place", but hindsight is 20/20 and almost EVERYONE wanted us to do it, so don't use that as an argument. There was overwhelming support for it in the beginning. Given that, which of the 2 options above do you think would have been the better course of action?


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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 10:22 AM by Jaruseleh
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You didn't answer the question. The fact is that whether or not you agree with WHY we went there, we did it. Once again, given that, which would have been the better choice for us? Blow 'em up and leave? Or blow 'em up and help rebuild?


reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 10:25 AM by grover
Originally posted by Jaruseleh
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You didn't answer the question. The fact is that whether or not you agree with WHY we went there, we did it. Once again, given that, which would have been the better choice for us? Blow 'em up and leave? Or blow 'em up and help rebuild?



Neither was an option to being with. We bungled the whole thing right from the very beginning. We should have never gone in in the first place but failing that we should have never attempted an occupation, we should have set up a government asap and left.... but you see that was never our plan.
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