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reply posted on 4-9-2007 @ 09:40 AM by Hellmutt
11 addresses were raided. They've been "producing an unstable explosive in a densely populated area". The target is still unknown, or they wouldn't tell...


BBC


Eleven addresses were raided in Copenhagen during the overnight police operation, police said.

Buildings in the city's southern suburb of Ishoej and its Noerrebro district - both with large immigrant populations - were among those cordoned off by police.

The suspects held on Monday had been under surveillance for some time, police said. Six of them are reportedly Danish citizens.

"With the arrests, we have prevented a terror attack," Jakob Scharf, an official from the Danish police intelligence agency said.

"They also have been producing an unstable explosive in a densely populated area," Mr Scharf said.

He gave no details of what might have been the intended target of the alleged bombers.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 5-9-2007 @ 01:58 AM by Hellmutt
Terror Attack Foiled In Germany Too


There have been arrests in Germany as well. The German Defence minister said that a terror attack on the US military base at Ramstein and Frankfurt airport was imminent!


BBC: Three held in German terror raids


Breaking News


Defence minister Franz Josef Jung said the men were suspected of planning attacks against a US military base in Ramstein, and Frankfurt airport.

"There was an imminent threat," he told German television.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


edit to add: I made a new thread on the German arrests:
Imminent Terror Attack On Ramstein And Frankfurt Airport Foiled

[edit on 2007/9/5 by Hellmutt]


reply posted on 5-9-2007 @ 05:31 AM by khunmoon
reply to post by flice


The case you're reffering to has just been brought for a court of jury, for what the press call "a lengthy trial". Shall be interesting to see what verdict they'll arrive at.

Agent provocateurs are seldom used in Denmark. Guess they've learned some new "tricks" from their American friends.

As for the case now being unraveled it comes as gift for the government suffering great loses in recent polls.

Wonder if is a coincident at all.


reply posted on 5-9-2007 @ 09:31 PM by khunmoon
Found this opinion in todays Danish daily Politiken by Chigaco professor Robert A. Pape.

Arrestationerne i Danmark og Tyskland af 11 formodede terrorister viser, at Vesteuropa er særdeles udsat for terrorangreb og fortsat vil være det.

[...]

»Terrornetværkenes energi er en politisk energi, der skyldes de udenlandske styrker i de muslimske lande. Derfor er terrortruslen noget, vi må være bekymrede for, så længe vi er til stede der«, siger Robert A. Pape.


For non-danish speaking here'a a translation:

The arrests in Denmark and Germany of 11 alleged terrorists show that W. Europe in particular is exposed and will continue to be so.

"The energy of terror networks is a political energy due to foreign troops stationed in Muslim countries. Therefore the terror threat is something we must worry about as long we are present there", says Robert A. Pape.

Did a little research on the professor and picked this inerview Poisonous Misinterpretations on his latest book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.

Professor Pape says that while al-Qaeda terrorists are twice as likely to be from a country where radical Salafist/Wahhabist Islam is widely practiced, they are 10 times more likely to have come from a country that has U.S. troops stationed in it. In most cases, this foreign military presence is not hostile in a traditional sense, since the local governments have agreed to their stay. But according to a Saudi poll after 9/11, 95 percent of educated Saudi males between the ages of 25 and 41 agreed with bin Laden's goal of driving Americans off their holy land.

No suicide bombers have ever come from Iran, where there are no foreign troops. Iraq had never seen a suicide bombing on its soil before U.S. troops arrived in 2003. While Ayatollah Khomeini spent the 1980s criticizing American culture, many people agreed, but none resorted to suicide bombing. When bin Laden cited U.S. forces in the land of Mecca and Medina, men hopped on planes with knives.

The root cause of suicide terrorism is occupation, not Islam, and not the other way around, as the War Party and its ill-informed adherents so righteously claim.

[...]

Fifth and sixth are U.S. government support for corrupt governments in the Middle East, none of which are democratic (among these are Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Qatar, Egypt, and now Iraq), and pressure (that is, threats of violence) to keep oil prices set where American mercantilists want them. Is it a surprise that all of the 9/11 hijackers – at least the one's whose identities aren't in dispute – were from countries (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates) with governments friendly to our own, and that none of them were from Iran, Iraq, or Syria?


You get it? ...there has never been a suicide bomber from a country without US troop presence.

The picture is getting clear, terrorists were made in the Oval Office by a moroon president, skilfully manipulated by his henchmen and croonies.

I do suspect something the like from our own elite government, deep in the gore, in the present case.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 01:07 AM by khunmoon
Well...

For makeitso:

To have aircrafts stationed in a foreign country you need personal for maintainance and so. At least the pilots must be labeled troops (or similar).

For dj:

There're no US presence in India or Sri Lanka either. The issue here is the connection in the present US-Muslim conflict.

Suicide attackers has been around since the days of Samson, and don't forget present days US involvement in world affairs started with the kamikaze pilots attacking Pearl Harbour.

Wiki has a good article onthe history of suicide attacks. They have beem used throughout history. They have even been used against Denmark in the fatal battle of Dybbøl in the war of 1864 (a Preussian soldier came 'unarmed' to the walls of the fortification to negociate but blew himself up, breaching the barricades and thus ensuring German victory).

Nothing new about it. What's new is the connection, like the professor proves, between the national identity of bombers and the presence of US troops in their respective countries. No Iranian suicide bombers so far.

As for the mentioning of Chechnya and Palestine... well, the IDF might be considered a special branch of US army, and Russia, a cribled superpower in its intentions and goals, not that different from its US counterpart.

The conclusion professor Pape brings forward is clear and true, the US-Muslim conflict created the Muslim suicide bomber.

Personally I think this world would be a safer place if US troops stayed and guarded their homeland. What are they doing in 100+something countries of this world?

Proctecting corporate interests, like those of the Carlyle Group, maybe, if you ask me.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 01:26 AM by makeitso
reply to post by khunmoon


Your definition of "troops" is a pilot for a transport plane?

No the professor didn't "prove" much of anything. My opinion differs.

No, the US-Muslim, (as you put it), conflict did not create the suicide bomber. Its funny you even put it that way. Sorry, Muslim isn't a political group. Its religious.

No, the IDF is not a branch of the U.S. troops. (nice try though)

You are welcome to your opinion as is the professor. I can even see where you could convince yourself that he is right. My opinon is that your wrong.

I am glad your keeping it civil, and attempting a logical argument though.

Perhaps we should get back to the topic at hand of more muslim suicide bombers with mass amounts of hydrogen peroxide arrested?

Any chance they were just gonna brush their teeth with it? Perhaps that this is trumped up by the Bush boogeyman? Was it a setup? Somebody invited them to stay there for the weekend and called the cops?

I wonder if bakri mohammed was involved. Wasn't the last German peroxide bomber turn up with his private phone number in his pocket, after his train bomb didn't work?


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 03:23 AM by Hellmutt
reply to post by flice



They say the eigth that were arrested in Denmark, were using the same mosque as those who were arrested in the Glostrup-case. The oldest of the eight was their "spiritual leader"...



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