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Lunch with an Illuminati Mindkontrol Victim

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posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 10:32 PM
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A number of people have encouraged me to tell, in some detail, the story of the lunch interview I had a couple of years ago in Colorado with a self-described victim of Illuminati mindkontrol technqiues. This woman, whom I will call Jenny, told me she had been brainwashed from an early age and programmed to be part of the so-called Monarch Sex Slave program. At the time, I was writing a book on Secret Societies, but not taking the whole thing very seriously. My interview with Jenny changed my mood rather dramatically. I don't believe every word of her tale because I'm naturally rather skeptical, but I've no doubt that some of what she said happened. In dealing with victims of mindkontrol and cult brainwashing, one of the most difficult and frustrating tasks is separating what really happened from other false memories with which they have been programmed to disorient them and to make it more difficult for their stories to ever be believed.

She claimed that she was interested in telling her story because she was scared to death by what had happened to a friend of hers. This friend, she claimed, had been forced to "star" in a snuff film. It's inappropriate to go into too many details, but this claim caught my attention because it was the third time I had heard about this particular film within a six month period, from three unconnected and very different sources.

We met in a small cafe'. Jenny picked the place out, because she said as far as she knew it was unconnected to the Programmers. Most of the nicer and more popular restaurants in Boulder, she said, had some ties to the massive underground programming network in Colorado. If she was seen at any of them, we both might be in danger.

"She's a paranoid nut. I hope the hummus here is good" was exactly what was going through my mind as we sat down. For the next hour this eerily sexy blonde girl with raw, threadbare nerves and seemingly empty eyes, talked about her ritual abuse from a young age.

Jenny came from a military family. Her father was a colonel and apparently had some ties to a Satanic cult that participated in ritual abuse. Some of her earliest memories are of being caged and forced to watch profane Black Masses. When she was about 7, her father told her that she was going to be "given over".

One night she was driven to a very posh section of town and taken down into a large basement. She was wearing a dress and slippers, like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz. In the basement people were dressed up like characters from the book/movie (which she'd been forced to watch over and over in the days before the ceremony). A man dressed like the Strawman led her up to an altar, on which was seated a woman dressed like a Wicked Witch. The Witch told the Strawman he was to give over the girl, or else be beheaded by the Tin Man. A man dressed up in metal armor with a metal masque stood with an axe and Jenny remembers being so scared of the man she wet herself. The Stramwan said "Grand Dame, your will be done" and presented the child and walked backwards away.

From that moment on, Jenny says she belonged to this group, and her conditioning to become an objectified Monarch victim began.




posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 10:56 PM
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And?...
Is that where your conversation ended?



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 10:58 PM
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I was wondering the same thing... Kinda trailing off at a bad time, I suppose... give us the dish? I'd like to hear more, even though her story is saddening. I want to know what's going on.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 11:10 PM
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Wow.

I came from a military family, and once I did some research into the Illuminati MK program after a weird couple of months, and various delusions/hallucinations (?) involving the CIA and being monitored - and man, turns out there are multitudes of "ritual elements and symbolism programming" scattered throught my life as well.

Nothing like this though.

My sympathies.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 12:05 AM
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No, Jenny's story did not end there. That was simply the first ritual she could recall with so much clarity. She had much more to say. For example:

At one point in adolescence, she was given an exquisitely detailed porcelain doll of a little girl by one of her programmers. She was told to name the doll and treat it like it was her own daughter. She named it "Mary" (after the Virgin Mary) and was given a number of outfits she could use to dress the doll. Her handlers even had a small ceremony in which "Mary Porcelina" was baptized. The person who presided over it was dressed as a priest, and may have been. After two or three months, one day one of the female programmers who had always been quite kind to Jenny suddenly, wordlessly, grabbed Mary from Jenny's hands and shattered the doll against the floor. Jenny was told to crush the shattered pieces with her shoes, and when she tearfully refused she was locked in a closet. She heard crushing and crunching outside, and in half an hour or so jagged pieces of porcelain were dumped on the floor of the closet where she had to sleep that night. This, she said, was to teach her that anything or anyone she loved or felt close to on her own could be taken away and broken at any time.

Mary and her family regularly attended a Catholic church. On several occasions, after the services and after everyone else had left, Mary (then a teenager) was taken down to the church basement. There several people, including the parish priest, forced her to trample and crush communion wafters, small wooden crosses and rosary beads that they flung on the floor. This was videotaped and, she thinks, sold to fetishists. From this she learned that nothing was sacred or sovereign except for the will and commands of her handlers.

As she grew older, she was used by her handlers to seduce and discredit or blackmail people they deemed "dangerous" or "radical". It started off very small. There was a teacher at her high school who was suspected of being a communist. Her handlers instructed 15 year old Jenny exactly what to do in order to seduce and entrap him. Even though he never did anything to reciprocate her advances, they were able to obtain compromising photographs in which it looked like he was. Jenny isn't sure what happened to him, she only knows he resigned abruptly mid-semester and left town. She says that from there they instructed her further in the art of entangling weak willed people and setting up and framing even those who did not succumb to advances.

That isn't quite the extent of what Jenny told me on our first interview, but it gives a good overview.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 12:24 AM
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I can identify, even though my experiences I did not deal with any of the negative associations.

I'm curious about her personality. Sounds like she was called upon to the victim role early on. I'm wondering what cues she was giving off to the people around her that pushed them to this path with her.

Usually, there's a motive that drives perpetrators before psychological crimes of this nature, correct?



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 04:03 AM
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General Eyes: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about your own experiences, but I certainly wouldn't press you to post about them because these things are deeply personal. But if you have posted about them before, could you please link? I am the curious sort and you seem both analytic and thoughtful.

As for this girl, I don't know her well. I think that whatever her personality might have been, her development was undeniably arrested and re-shaped by her early experiences. She was conditioned to be vulnerable and extremely cunning at the same time.

When it comes to selecting targets for childhood brainwashing into programs like this, it seems like the only concerns the programmers have are intelligence and comeliness. If a child has a fairly high IQ and has the kind of facial symmetry and metabolism that indicates they will grow into a physically attractive person, then the programmers assume they can wire them any way they want.

What you need to keep in mind is, in contrast to the experiences of your own that you alluded to, the Monarch Program entails a complete obliteration of the individual psyche. They level everything and build them up from scratch. What has been formed up to that point of their personalities are dissociated, regressed and disintegrated.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by peabody
General Eyes: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about your own experiences...if you have posted about them before, could you please link?


I've wanted to post for some time, but I was worried I couldn't attend to the thread to my satisfaction and what may have been a massive influx of questions. I have a few sensitivities that get triggered if I feel too overwhelmed.

The majority of the dysfunction didn't occur until about 10 years ago, when a few programmers outside of the Federal Realm got ahold of me.
They put some stuff in my subconscious I'm still trying to remove, but it's getting better.


She was conditioned to be vulnerable and extremely cunning at the same time.


That's a frequent instinctual response to trauma. Stockholms syndrome. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." type of response. I completely understand what you're talking about here.



When it comes to selecting targets for childhood brainwashing into programs like this, it seems like the only concerns the programmers have are intelligence and comeliness.


To a degree that's true. Depending on the quality of the programmers involved, almost anyone can be molded into a specific end result. A lot of where the training goes is determined by the child's responses to certain external stimuli.


What you need to keep in mind is, in contrast to the experiences of your own that you alluded to, the Monarch Program entails a complete obliteration of the individual psyche.


I know. I have no idea how many personalities I have, but I'm fortunate the strongest of them are well balanced and in control most of the time. I really don't want to know what may happen if I switch completely off consciously. Too many suspicions there I'd rather remain blissfully ignorant of.




They level everything and build them up from scratch. What has been formed up to that point of their personalities are dissociated, regressed and disintegrated.


Leaving the pure and unadulterated Id. Yes.


What you need to keep in mind is, in contrast to the experiences of your own that you alluded to, the Monarch Program entails a complete obliteration of the individual psyche. They level everything and build them up from scratch. What has been formed up to that point of their personalities are dissociated, regressed and disintegrated.


So true. I've been through this a few times on a couple of different levels. The first time was at the age of 17, when I completely shattered. I spent two months in the hospital rebuilding my ego, swimming through a sea of hallucinatory visions and internal sensory information before finally being able to start acknowledging the rest of the world.

The worst part is when a subversive programmer (which sounds like the types that got ahold of this young lady) has an agenda, but isn't all that psychologically well balanced themselves.

The "Wizard of Oz" scenario you described sounded like a reinforcement of drama and possibly roleplaying programming - designed to sexually link costumes and the role in her mind.

The gift and subsequent destruction of the doll is a common theme as well. Waiting until the child has bonded with the figure, and then breaking it. A common power play. In some cases, a metaphor for how her life will end up.

This would have been my first warning sign if I were a child. It's a shame no one listened to her pleas for help, but the destruction of something as delicate as a porcelian doll can easy be covered up by a perpetrator as an accident.

The use of the Catholic church as the foundation for the ceremony sounds like they were trying to isolate her from ever considering the Catholic (or any) Church as a safe haven. The Black Mass ceremony. This is also common practice, though rituals vary.

I think the only reason I'm still in somewhat operating shape is due to the fact that my family took the time and considerations to respect my individuality, and nuture me towards a higher calling.

It still disturbs me to see so many people loose their lives through lack of appropriate coping skills. Leaving a cult environment is no easy task, I assure you. Especially not the Monarch Program, it's too widespread.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 05:45 AM
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Would it ever be possible that 'Jenny' may actually reveal some proof outside of her so called testimonials....perhaps over dinner?



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Would it ever be possible that 'Jenny' may actually reveal some proof outside of her so called testimonials....perhaps over dinner?


Yeah, bravo, laugh it up, real great contribution there dude.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 12:57 PM
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She was conditioned to be vulnerable and extremely cunning at the same time.



That's just the basic inborn nature of a female.

No fancy mind control on that one...



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:19 PM
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IF she was infact in project monarch then she sure as hell got off easy. Read the book "Trance formation of America"by Cathy'O Brien if you dont know what i'm talking about



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:23 PM
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I wish ATS-people would join in a concentrated effort to find out more about this area. I am undecided on monarch-style mind control...even after having read classics like tranceformation of america, operation mind control, etc.

I am undecided if these stories are invented by crazed religious fanatics in order to justify their fear-mongering or if they are truly genuine. And if the exist, I am undecided on their SCOPE. are we talking about a few underground criminals here or about high-class politicians? a few deranged satan-worshippers or publicly respected figures? and if so, how many of them? the memories of the victims...are they implanted or real? how can we tell the difference?

there are so many UNKNOWNS here that its almost like an urban legend. and if they are false, then where are the stories from? who is planting them, and why? and of they are delusions, then where from?

either way you look at the topic, it needs much more research.

hopefully you can get jenny to open up more, post more of her info here and we can learn more.

question: has jenny undergone hypnosis or are these stories coming up without hypnosis? I would find them more credible if they have started to bubble up before hypnosis.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:25 PM
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thats some scary stuff there. How was she able to get away so easily?



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by fweshcawfee
That's just the basic inborn nature of a female.

No fancy mind control on that one...


True, but in these types of scenarios the severity of this type of conditioned behavior is a portal to death.

While I'm not going to sit here and play "overtly concerned female" myself (I've seen far too many accounts of dramatic young women using these types of scenarios as nothing more than attention seeking) I have to say that the thematic elements describe thus far seem straight out of the widely available Illuminati Formula and other easily accessible sites on the subject that the thematic elements are rather commonplace.

There is also an MC forum board that is dedicated towards a particular sexual fetish involving the use of hypnosis, mind control, etc - (I shall refrain from posting the link here as some of it may violate the ATS T&C) - and young women sometimes use such stories to fish for someone with a similar interest.

I won't discount that at all.

There is so much going on in the seedy underbelly of the pornography industry at the expense of young women these days - and the correlation between being sexually and or ritually abused as a child and ending up in that world is so prevalent - a definitive pattern emerges.

We'll probably never know the whole truth, seeing as how the young woman who experienced these claims is no longer alive, and secondhand information can only go so far.

But for many people - this is a way of life.

Perhaps if more skeptics out there listened to such outrageous claims with an open and educated mind on the issue, knowing what to look for and how to recognise the signs and symptoms of ritual and or cult abuse - the little girl would have been relocated to a better environment at an earlier age instead of growing up and being involved in a filmed video of her death.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:39 PM
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question is though: are we talking about the criminal underground and seedy sub-porn world or about our world leaders?
what do YOU think?



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
There is so much going on in the seedy underbelly of the pornography industry at the expense of young women these days


That sounds like sympathy for skanks, if so then this is where we disagree. Women exploit the porn industry, the porn industry doesn't exploit them.

Ever watched a porno or even a 'Girls gone wild' infomercial? These girls aren't exactly innocent little victims that were brainwashed somehow or forced to do what they do... They know exactly what they're doing and they love doing it.

We'd run out of fresh water to drink before there would ever be a shortage of women who are more than delighted to strip naked and do their thing for a buck.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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I think there is a correlation between the two, quite honestly.

I've never met "Jenny", but I bet if I had I could access a lot more information in regards to her friends situation, character traits that may have lead to her demise, and validity of her story.

So often people easily discredit those they feel are "skanks" or "whores" because they're placing so much emphasis on the profession and stereotypes of girls who work in that field.

The fact here was this girl was MURDERED in a snuff film, and for those who don't know what "snuff" is, it's a genre of filmed tortures and murders - sometimes sold on the black market for a profit - of (most commonly) female victims.

"Girls Gone Wild" isn't even a healthy comparison.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 02:20 PM
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You think Snuff films are real? Maybe one or two of them were real but please... Fantasy snuff and rape porn is a fetish thing some people have, the women in those things are actresses and pretending to be killed or raped.

And yes Girls Gone Wild is absolutely a good comaprison because it's all the same thing. Women willingly make these videos.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
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The fact here was this girl was MURDERED in a snuff film,


A fact is having a police/corner report and documents to link the two girls together. A person telling just a story is not a fact.

Who was this "friend" did she even exists? How would you add this to your book without some collaborating information?

Also who is her father would is so caught up into this?




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