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posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 06:00 AM
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Um I consider highly energized beam guns or laser guns to be alien tech yes?

this exert is from a tech note on anti gravity propuslion system that exerts 9 g's of constant force on the pilot and they were constantly black out.

Perhaps you should read the paper rather then call me stupid.

The paper clearly states this 9 g's from acceleration was causing the pilots to black out constantly and convetional pilot suits were not working and something new needs to be invented to keep the pilots from blacking out from the high speeds with a force of 9g's ont he pilots for minutes on end while in acceleration not a turning move please read more carefully before calling me an idiot.

You ar emore then welcome to do your own reasearch but please do not call me out as an idiot.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by infamouskiller]




posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
4th enviroment as in 4th dimension?

Probably Land, Sea, Air, Space. Good catch...gotta look at this more!



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 06:58 AM
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Report Date:
FEB 1949

Media Count:
35 Pages(s)

Organization Type:
F - AIR FORCE

Report Number(s):
FTDF TR2274IA (FTDFTR2274IA)

Project Number(s):
XS304 (XS304)

Monitor Acronym(s):
FTD (FTD)

Monitor Series:
F TR2274IA (FTR2274IA)

Descriptors:
*AIR INTELLIGENCE, IDENTIFICATION, CLASSIFICATION, MOTION, PSYCHOLOGY, ILLUSIONS, CONFIGURATIONS, SPACECRAFT, AIRCRAFT, PILOTS.ZAIR INTELLIGENCE, IDENTIFICATION, CLASSIFICATION, MOTION, PSYCHOLOGY, ILLUSIONS, CONFIGURATIONS, SPACECRAFT, AIRCRAFT, PILOTS.Z

Identifiers:
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS UFO)

Abstract:
A descriptive and analytical study of the unidentified aerial objects that have been reported both in the United States and from foreign countries is presented. Individual cases are described in brief form as an appendix. The analytical treatment of the subject is largely of a qualitative and generalized nature. However, detailed analyses and detailed results are presented where this procedure is possible, and will assist in establishing the validity or tenability of an overall hypothesis. Project 'Sign' is still largely characterized by the collection of data, without sufficient information to permit definite, specific conclusions to be made. No definite evidence is yet available to confirm or disprove the actual existence of unidentified flying objects as new and unknown types of aircraft. A limited number of the incidents have been identified as known objects. (Author)



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:00 AM
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betty and bob hill the first abductees in 1960 here this post is from 1949 before roswell omfg !!!



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
Um I consider highly energized beam guns or laser guns to be alien tech yes?

this exert is from a tech note on anti gravity propuslion system that exerts 9 g's of constant force on the pilot and they were constantly black out.

Perhaps you should read the paper rather then call me stupid.


Lets get something straight, pal. I never called you stupid. I simply stated that you have a lack of understand (I believe) of basic science and technology, and your posts CLEARLY demonstrate that, as others have pointed out. And didn't I say "don't this the wrong way".....before I mentioned it, lol.


The paper clearly states this 9 g's from acceleration was causing the pilots to black out constantly and convetional pilot suits were not working and something new needs to be invented to keep the pilots from blacking out from the high speeds with a force of 9g's ont he pilots for minutes on end while in acceleration not a turning move


Um, o.k. But how did the above information cause you to come on here and tell another member "well mister smarty pants, can you tell me how fast 9g's are?" That statement alone shows you have no understanding of what you are trying to present to us. Please, step back, do some basic elementary science and come back with a more cleared head.


please read more carefully before calling me an idiot.


Again, you demonstrate your lack of comprehension and understanding. Please show where I called you an idiot. I did nothing of the sort, and the cool thing about the internet is you can go back and read unedited posts to verify that. Case closed on that one, pal.


You ar emore then welcome to do your own reasearch but please do not call me out as an idiot.


Again in the same post, now your making yourself look like, well.......never mind.

So have you figured out how fast 9'gs are yet? I'll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and inform others who care not to go back through the thread that maybe, maybe you meant how fast acceleration would have to be in order to exert 9g's of force....but your post CLEARLY indicates that you thought is was otherwise.

Please, go ahead and post what you want about cool goverment files (and some of what you posted is ubber cool) but try not to make a fool of yourself in from of everybody.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:01 AM
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Title: UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL OBJECTS PROJECT ' 'SIGN' '

Why are ufo being called project sign is this because there trying to contact us much like an advertising signs says buy stuff here hmmm????



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:17 AM
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What i was trying to say was how fast of mph does it take to get one g of force? in acceleration and this question was for a astro expert such as john lear or someone in this field i never claimed to be an expert. All i know to get 9 g's of force would take a craft to travel in excess in 5000 MPH now I know the space shuttle when launched to the space station not to long ago the recent mission they reporter said this craft travels around 3500 mph to space am I wrong?

So how fast does it take to get 1g of bodely force ?



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:19 AM
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I didnt know people were such *snip* on this forum dont expect another post from me I thought a place like this would be open to an open discussion not be bullied and picked on frankly whatever go *snip* yourself.





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[edit on 29-8-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:21 AM
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posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:25 AM
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aircraft JAS 39 GRIPEN C and D.

Do you know what these aircraft are have you ever heard of such a aircraft series I have not.

And to exert one g of force is 650 mph if im not mistaken I already answered myself I just was asking if my calculations were wrong or not. not to get some [snip] goverment troll to start a flame war with me. [snip]

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[edit on 29-8-2007 by elevatedone]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:29 AM
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en.wikipedia.org...


what they dont talk about is the speed the govt talks about of exceeding 9 g's for several minutes in its tech notes.

well no # why so many test pilots crashed.

Mathematic equation for measuring G force of Speed

w=sqrt(r*g)/r

w=sqrt(r*g)/sqrt(r^2)

w=sqrt(g/r)

Anything more than about 4 - 6 positive Gs will black people out, unless they are trained to fight it. Trained military pilots in G-suits can sustain up to 9 Gs. Higher G forces can be tollerated for fractions of a second. An average person could momentarily experience eight to ten Gs by plopping down onto the couch to watch TV. A woodpecker experiences 10 G of deceleration when its beak hits a tree.

X-15A-2 rocket plane Mach 6.7

X-43 Scramjet Mach 7 (unpiloted, launched from the air)

these planes are capable of accelerating to 9 g's this is why this info is important still think im uneducated or dont wtf im talking about I have done my research I was simply asking what you guys thought and what I got in return was a big steaming pile of # thnk you so much for that......


centrifugal force (radial or centripetal acceleration):
Ar=V2/r
Where: Ar=Radial Acceleration
V=Velocity
r=Radius of curve

Centrifugal force is the force points out from the center, while centripetal force is the force that keeps the object in its circular path (gravity for an orbeting satelite).

Most cars tires will provide .7 - .8 Gs of radial acceleration before they break loose. Sports cars with racing tireswill get around 1 G.
A F1 racer can get up to 3.5 G because of down force produced by ground effects and wings.
At 60 MPH (88 ft./sec.) 1 G of centrifugal force will occur at a radius of 240 ft. (r = 882/32.2).

* Note: There are a lot of web sites which state that a top fuel dragster will reach 200 MPH before half track and in order to do this the launch acceleration approaches 8Gs. it is actually 2-3 Gs

Solving the equations below for t2:

t2 = v2/a2 and t2 = 2x/a

equating both equations:

v2/a2 = 2x/a

solving for a:
v2/(2x) = a2/a = a
200 MPH = 293.33 fps
1/8 mi. = 660 ft.
a = 293.332/(2 * 660) = 65.18 feet/sec2
g = 65.18/32.2 = 2.02


So I will go back to my question of what Speed of acceleration does it take to acheive 9g's not turning or bank movements in a straight line I hope this is clear enough and please post sensical answer and please tell me.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by infamouskiller]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
Well mr smarty pants please tell me how fast 9 g's are and is there aircraft capable of flying this fast at least what they released to the public.


"9 g's" isn't a "fast", it's an acceleration. Acceleration isn't a velocity. If you're moving at a steady speed (velocity) you feel no acceleration (g's).



This is scientific notes on experiments already done no theory...


A lot of what you're looking at are what if's, game and simulation results. Oh, and they use 2010 a lot, generally "what if's" come in 5, 10 and 20 year sizes, so a lot of times the mystery dates are some 5 year multiple away, or they're a "magic year", it used to be 2000. That doesn't mean something is planned for 2000/2005/2020 or what have you, it's a "round number" date in the future. Like you used to see products with 2000 in the name out the rump back in 1980.



Whats the top speed of a stealth fighter how many g's are in mach 1

So what relative mach is 9g's?


Not only is acceleration not velocity, the Mach number varies with atmospheric pressure (and composition if you want to get ticky). You can't HAVE a Mach number in space, for example, and the velocity corresponding to a particular Mach number is different at 75,000 feet than at 100 feet.

edit: Oh, and no doubt you'll also find Grudge and Bluebook if you look long enough, to go with your discovery of Project Sign.

It's not a new discovery.

You might even find that complete set of plans for a moon base that was done in something like '62. I have a nice bound copy here somewhere. You'll also find there is also a nice geodetic survey of the Moon, with comments of what sort of terrain is to be expected in each little area, also analyses of what sorts of minerals they expect to see, possible navigation routes and the like. Lots of people have generated lots of data on this sort of thing over the last 5 decades.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by Tom Bedlam]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:35 AM
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I know the space shuttle when launched to the space station not to long ago the recent mission they reporter said this craft travels around 3500 mph to space am I wrong?


Yes, you are wrong. You ordered me to do my own research to verify the tenacity of your claims, however the some applies to you, a simple 30 second google search would have shed light on your question.


Originally posted by infamouskiller
I didnt know people were such *SNIP* on this forum dont expect another post from me I thought a place like this would be open to an open discussion not be bullied and picked on frankly whatever go *SNIP*.


I am sorry you feel this way. I never attacked you, however you seem to be on here poised for a fight, as demonstrated by your response to the first person who used logic, reason, and scientific understanding in his reply (and that was not me, lol)

I hope you do not go away, as this hobby needs people with your level of enthusiasm, however enthusiasm does not negate understanding and reason. You have not been attacked here, you may take it as that, but the truth is you have not.

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[edit on 29/8/07 by masqua]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:36 AM
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that site is absoluty amazing, i thought this topic would be a lot mroe active from this.


Take care, Vix



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:47 AM
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vixion the post is only 5 hours old lol give it time.

And you still havent answered my question at what speed in a straight line will excert 9 g's of force?

Your post was very well typed and was another lame attempt to pick on me.

And my refrence to g's and mach is at what mach does 9g's of force happen mach what?

this time trying answering the question not picking on me for what the goverment wrote the speeds these planes are achieving.

[edit on 29-8-2007 by infamouskiller]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
What i was trying to say was how fast of mph does it take to get one g of force? in acceleration and this question was for a astro expert such as john lear or someone in this field i never claimed to be an expert. All i know to get 9 g's of force would take a craft to travel in excess in 5000 MPH now I know the space shuttle when launched to the space station not to long ago the recent mission they reporter said this craft travels around 3500 mph to space am I wrong?

So how fast does it take to get 1g of bodely force ?


Don't take offense, but he's right, you don't seem to grasp what a g is. A g is equal to the acceleration of earth's gravity, which is 9.8 M/s or ~ 32 ft/sec. This does not equate to speed, it's an acceleration. For example, you can get 4-5 gs on a good rollercoaster and they certainly don't travel at any excess speeds. Think of it as driving down the road in your car. If you're accelerating, you're pressed back into the seat. Once you get up to 70 on the expressway and stay there, you're no longer pressed back into the seat. Despite the fact that you're going faster than you were while you were pressed back into the seat, there's no g-force pushing you back into the seat.

9 gs = 88.2 M/s^2 or 288 ft/sec^2

It's been awhile since I've done this, but assuming that I can still do basic physics, a object accelerating at 9gs will gain 197 miles per hour every second it is accelerating.

Someone who has knowledge of how long it takes a human being to black out under 9 gs could give you a minimum speed that the craft is travelling when this occurs.

Does this clarify things a little?



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:49 AM
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The documents do contain some really cool stuff, and it is GOOD reading, however there is not much to talk about concerning the ufo/alien angle that hasn't been gone through a thousand times.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:53 AM
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yes but your not getting my question at some speed lets say 650 mph roughly the speed of sound how many g's are on the body of the plane. and times this by 9 and we get the speed of these new aircraft is what im trying to figure out the paper doesnt say. there traveling 7500 mph only gives a reference of acceleration in excess of 9g's so what acceleration can exert such a force ina straight line not moving.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
Mathematic equation for measuring G force of Speed

w=sqrt(r*g)/r

w=sqrt(r*g)/sqrt(r^2)

w=sqrt(g/r)

bla bla bla...

centrifugal force (radial or centripetal acceleration):
Ar=V2/r
Where: Ar=Radial Acceleration
V=Velocity
r=Radius of curve

Centrifugal force is the force points out from the center, while centripetal force is the force that keeps the object in its circular path (gravity for an orbeting satelite).

bla bla bla ...

So I will go back to my question of what Speed of acceleration does it take to acheive 9g's not turning or bank movements in a straight line I hope this is clear enough and please post sensical answer and please tell me.


Great on cuts and pastes, but short on understanding, I see.

Ok. You won't understand this, but yes, you can calculate the acceleration of centripetal force on a body in circular motion given the radius and speed, because you HAVE acceleration in that case. The acceleration is to the center of the curve, otherwise the body would proceed in a straight line.

A body in uniform motion HAS NO ACCELERATION. Acceleration is the time rate of change of velocity. If you have no change in velocity, you have no acceleration.

A steady velocity is not acceleration. Furthermore, you know this, you just haven't considered it.

Say you are driving in your car. You are at a stop light, not moving. Now, when you accelerate (hey, that word again!) you press down on the gas and you feel a force moving you back in the seat. That is the "g" force of which you are asking. If you are in a big Corvette and floor it as hard as you can, you will feel much more of this. If you're in a Yugo and accelerate as slowly as you can, you feel less. But in each case, once you have reached a steady speed, you no longer feel acceleration.

The same with braking, which is also acceleration, just in the other direction.

If you are going 100 MPH, you feel no acceleration. If you romp on the brake as hard as you can without skidding, you will definitely be thrown forward. That is the "g" of which you ask. If you very slowly decrease speed, there will be less acceleration, because your time rate of change of velocity is less.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by infamouskiller
yes but your not getting my question at some speed lets say 650 mph roughly the speed of sound how many g's are on the body of the plane. and times this by 9 and we get the speed of these new aircraft is what im trying to figure out the paper doesnt say. there traveling 7500 mph only gives a reference of acceleration in excess of 9g's so what acceleration can exert such a force ina straight line not moving.


If the plane is moving at 650 MPH, and is not changing speed or maneuvering, then the acceleration (g's) will be....0.

Now, multiply that by 9, and you get... 0.




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