US foreign policy double standards, steel tarriffs, farming subsidy increases, George Bush's "Bushisms" (I mmean anyone who waves to Stevie Wonder must be a retard.), Cheney... It is all brought up in Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men".

So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex.

That is not the point, the point is civil liberties. I don't want governments to have the right to do that to anyone, because that power can be abused.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength.

It is a sign of sanity...

American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?

Most see mass murder every day and think nothing of it... Israel in Jenin for example.

But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.

Hoho, can't say the American justice system is much fairer...

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic.

No, that's what I like about America.

ohh.. and I am not a self loathing liberal...


This is just a rant from an attention seeking dick. It is imbalanced and simplistic. And where are the good points?



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Because you are a self-loathing liberal, you missed them!

Oh I'm sorry... Maybe he was right...

I think this sentence sums it up :

' The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission.'

The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World

Sorry, I'm not really self-loathing and I'm not really that liberal. (U should hear my views on the public service workers who are striking every 2 seconds). I hate whining liberals as much as the next man, and I can admit that there are many in the anti-American camp.

I don't blame America for every ill in the third world, although is plays a large part. Europe is just as much to blame, as is the leadership of many of these countries.

To tar all anti-Americans with the same brush and over-simplify matters is irresponsible and ignorant. This brings up none of the views raised by the anti-American camp, and is just made up of opinion without tackling any real issues.

As far as attention seeking rants go it is quite good though.

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ah the daily Mirror.
right wing British tabloid which now, like most british papers, is firmly against a war with Iraq.

sorry but your going to find more salient points in your next copy of Guns n' ammo than your going to find in the British Gutter press.

Daily Mirror?????

Who are you trying to persuade with this piece TC???

I thought we were striving for higher quality posts.

I like this Parsons guy

FD - that's funny, hearing a European talking about subsidies - falling out of my friggin' chair.

Let's quickly dismiss the Daily Mirror, but take 'Whatreallyhappened.com' as truth.

now let me get this straight Bob.

you'r american.
over weight.
your idea of a good night out is to get together with your Klan buddies and shoot black dudes while singing the star spangled banner reading Guns and ammo and believing that everything outside of texas is part of the Axis of evil.

that ~is~ an accurate image of you isn't it?

Perhaps Lupe we order a Daily Mirror subscription in Bobs name for Christmas.

we can't because, seeing as he's right wing he obviously doesn't read anything except his good ole bible and the letters his mom sends him with her apple pie, to the trailer park.

thanks JB! Actually, just renew my National Review subscription for me. What's wrong with trailer parks Lupe - gonna get me a double-wide one of these days!

FD - that's funny, hearing a European talking about subsidies - falling out of my friggin' chair.

Did I say that I agree with any kind of subsidy?

No

I am against European and US subsidies, they are both as bad as each other.

Just because I am European doesn't mean I agree with the EU agruicultural policy, or any other form of subsidy. I would vote for any party that said it would abolish unfair, protective trade policies.

That comment was unhelpful, and I wish you could see beyond the fact that I am European, as my location does not define who I am.

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Nothing wrong with trailer parks Bob.

my point was that I suspect your fairly dissimilar to the person described above, you may have some things in common but others are simply stereotypes.

Theres a worrying trend on this board to dismiss people who are against this war as "liberal".

if that wasn't a leep of logic enough, these same people associate the term "liberal" with tree hugging tofu eating bearded men who like nothing more than nipping down the nearest animal testing lab to liberate a few monkeys before grabbing a couple and burning them outside a prison to protest the death penalty.

being for this war doesn't make you right wing, and being right wing doesn't make you a nazi any more than being against the war makes you suddenly want to scoff Tofu and vote socialist.

if a few more flag waving yankaphiles could get that through their collective thick skulls we might be able to have a serious debate.

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[Edited on 2-12-2002 by Lupe_101]

Tho I think the comment on trailer parks was a bit of a low blow.

I agree with Lupe in the sense that...not only in this forum, but on the radio, tv...everywhere it seems anyone who opposes the war is the "bad guy" and is LIBERAL...WTF?? i mean what kind of bull is that??


I am sick and tired of people calling me that and i sure am not a liberaL.. so i guess what i am trying to say is STop IT!!

OrionSirius

...this is an INTERVENTION!
Man, did Lupe, F-D & Orion ever nail you succinctly, as if we're on "This is you Life"

Plus, I think the Pro-American-Anti-Bush faction is much greater in size than the Anti-American faction.
The ills of the Third World are directly attributed to the ill-will of the First World ( a bit more inclusive). The Third World has given up it's birth right for a plate of lentils ( if I got my bible quote correct)
*B-T cringes remembering the sting of a Jesuit's smack for forgetting his scripture*

[Edited on 2-12-2002 by Bout Time]

with Bush having record approval ratings (and I know that's gotta bother everyone), BT, wouldn't that make the anti-Bush faction a minority?