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I think Freeborn and then Orangetom1999 are on to something. Good posts! I don't come to exactly the same conclusion as Orangetom however he is getting very close. These different factors all seem to have leaders in high places who are members of lodges. Bankers support the leaders and support all the lodges. The Bankers bankroll factors often on both sides of conflicts and often seem to be the only ones benifiting from a conflict or war. Wars go on and on and seem to have no positive outcome for humanity. This has been happening all of recorded history. Leaders on both sides of conflicts seem to be buddies (brothers in the bond) in the masonic structure. They seem to all understand one thing. Their purpose is to maintain a structure of war in mankind. ie. CONSTANT WAR. That seems to be the overall purpose. Maybe these masons lament a time preflood when this was not the agenda but that is not the case now.
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Now my question is, why? What have they got to gain? According to this theory "they" already control the policies of most leading countries in the world,
Originally posted by BostonOrange
Do you believe that members of the now surging Islamic fundamentalists are members of these "lodges"? Or could they be described as the non-believer side, because I find it hard to link a radical Muslim with pagan beliefs that the lodges follow.
So you have had some first hand experience with Masons, good! Authors that have influenced my thinking include Sitchen, Tellinger and Jim Marrs. Interesting that Jim Marrs should be coming to the ATS forum soon. Should be some interesting discussion!
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They cannot tell you the name of thier god!!
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Do they exist and are they the architects of some grand plan, probably but if they are so clever how come we've heard of them.
That's because the architects or the gods or whatever you want to call them have always been around (and always will)! But they are even better than Bill Clinton when it comes to "plausible deniability"!
As documented in F. William Engdahl's book A Century of War - Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order, Britain's interest in the Middle East was piqued when her leaders realized that oil would replace coal as the energy source of the future. At the turn of the century Britain had no first-hand access to oil and was dependant upon America, Russia or Mexico for her supplies. This was quickly understood as an unacceptable situation and through intrigues involving British spy Sidney Reilly and Australian geologist and engineer William Knox d'Arcy Britain was able to secure drilling rights to Persian oil from Persian monarch Reza Khan. D'Arcy paid what amounted to $20,000 cash for rights to tap Persian oil until 1961, with a 16% royalty from all sales going to the Shah. The British company that Reilly persuaded d'Arcy to ally with then became known as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, which was a forerunner of the mighty British Petroleum (BP).
However, even with a supply of Persian oil, Britain was losing the race to secure Middle Eastern oil reserves to the Germans. In the years prior to World War I Germany had enjoyed an astonishing economic explosion and this was helped by her alliance with the Ottoman Empire which allowed her access to their vast reserves. In 1889 the Germans worked out an agreement to finance, through Deutsche Bank, a railway from Constantinople into Anatolia, and later in 1899 the final agreement for a complete Berlin-to-Baghdad railway was signed.
The British made sure that this rail link was never completed through the use of her ally Serbia, which stood in the middle of the German alliance that included Austro-Hungary, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire. World War I is commonly understood as sparked by the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Ferdinand by Serbian assassins. Serbia did play a key part in World War I, but the conflict was not simply a result of this solitary event. The truth is that World War I was fomented by the British so that they could control oil, foreseen by their geo-strategists as the world's most important emerging resource.