Does anyone know what this painting is called?

poetry....-------------------------/mother-of-god/
does anyone know what this painting is called and where it is located?


any info would be appreciated.

Terran

I haven't been able to find it, but it might be a "st bernard", there are several paintings of Mary whupping out a breast and hosing it into his mouth across a room.

I've seen references to one of her suckling him, but can't find a picture.

It looks like something that "artists" are parading around nowadays as "art." It's not art;it's despicable.



[edit on 30-7-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

I suggest emailing ------------------------- and asking where they got it. This is truly a disturbing piece of art, (undoubtedly the goal), and I'm an atheist! Was this found in a church somewhere? I mean...wtf?

[edit on 30/7/07 by an3rkist]

There are several references in literature regarding St Bernard being breastfed by the Virgin Mary, (or a dream he had about it). Mary was seen as the mother of the church and her breastfeeding was symbolic of being nourished by the church. Spiritual nourishment is the intended message here.

Don't be so provincial and consider this shocking. Breastfeeding throughout the ages was considered quite natural and it is only in our modern world that it has somehow become shameful. This is absurd.

My guess is that this painting is not modern at all. If it is modern then perhaps it is by Ananda K Coomaraswarmy who was a noted art historian and celebrated artist.

Originally posted by Terapin
Don't be so provincial and consider this shocking. Breastfeeding throughout the ages was considered quite natural and it is only in our modern world that it has somehow become shameful. This is absurd.

Nothing is unnatural about breastfeeding...except when a grown man does it. Has that EVER been considered natural?

I'm sure it's a metaphorical painting, but that doesn't make it any less of a disturbing piece.

[edit on 30/7/07 by an3rkist]

Again, it is a representation of The spiritual nourishment of St Bernard relating to a dream he had. It is a historical part of religious events. Not everything in religion is literal and neither is this painting. Nothing to be shocked about. It is not porn.

There is a "mystical legend" that St. Bernard was praying in front of a statue of Mary. The statue showed Mary nursing the infant Jesus.

Bernard prayed, "Show yourself a mother." Then the statue came to life. The Virgin Mary pressed her breast and squirted milk into Bernard's mouth.

There are 27 works of art commemorating this, including a painting by Murillo.

www.spauda.lt...

Sorry that I couldn't find an english site or translation

Originally posted by Terapin
Nothing to be shocked about. It is not porn.

I don't think anyone suggested it was porn. I'd be very wary of advertising the fact that I had a dream like this, though times may be different today...

Not everything in religion is literal and neither is this painting.

It would seem to me that very little, if anything, in religion is literal. Personally, I would be more inclined to be religious if more of the "dogma" were considered symbolic than historical fact. If religious people are to believe that this painting, a work of "art", is not a literal circumstance, then why assume that any of the writings of the Holy Bible are literal and not just artistic, metaphorical works of art?

[edit on 30/7/07 by an3rkist]

He was made a Saint after all so he must have done something right. He died in 1153 and perhaps his speaking about his dream was intended to get others to reflect on being spiritually nourished by the church.

At least the painting doesn't depict a St Bernard Dog.

Originally posted by Terapin
Again, it is a representation of The spiritual nourishment of St Bernard relating to a dream he had. It is a historical part of religious events. Not everything in religion is literal and neither is this painting. Nothing to be shocked about. It is not porn.

I find this a cop out to explain away parts and pieces of the bible as "representation" yet societies are based on these writings. Interpretation of the bible is left up to who can explain it best, which to me is a cop out. Safe then to say that religion is mostly based on hear say and inuendo, dreams and trips on magic mushrooms. Show me facts, backed up by witnesses, not one persons fetish about a woman.

Here are more piainting displaying Mary suckling Saints. Link

[edit on 30/7/07 by Rhain]

Originally posted by Terapin
At least the painting doesn't depict a St Bernard Dog.

Heh, I'm ashamed to say that before I clicked on the link that is what I thought I was going to see, based on replies I read prematurely.

I think I would be less disturbed by a dog doing it than a man, however, because nobody puts their faith in a dog, (that I know of). If people are putting their faith in man who has, (or has dreamed about), suckling on a woman's breast, whether she is a metaphor for the Church or not, I find that extremely disturbing, and I would not put my faith in such a man.

But as you said, times may be different today. Perhaps back then it was not considered so taboo for a grown man to do something such as this, or dream about it. I think this difference alone is enough to justify calling our generation more civilized.

[edit on 30/7/07 by an3rkist]

Thanks to all, thank you for the link Rhain,
One of my areas of study are the African origins of Christianity, The Nicean Council of bishops and many other councils that were carried out to control, and to de-Africanize the original Christ concepts of Ethiopia, and Kemit(Egypt), and the God-Mother concept, and I stumbled on that Artwork and was curious as to its origins.

Yes it is correct that in the original trinity, Aset (Isis) Horus, Asar, the godess Aset is shown in differing forms suckling, horus, as well as other figures, as if to say (this is a Giver of life ) spiritual or otherwise, or some symbology of this sort.
When the Romans and Greeks came and plundered Africa, they really plagarized, many of the spiritual concepts of the Africans, although they the (Romans, Greeks) didnt understand the concepts of the spirit, that the Africans taught would ressurect.These European misunderstandings and misdirections which has led to many of the Holidays, and celebrations of today, also the deAfricanization of the Black Christ was brought about, to carry out Slavery, I believe it was Pope Julious V or vi something along that note that authorized the removal of Africans in Mass numbers for the North American slave trade. to make the long story short these are the type of things that have, and are still taking place through the Jesuits, the true head of the Catholic Church. It is indeed a war being waged against most of humanity perpetuated by the Vatican, and their bosses over in the office of the Black Pope., Lets not forget that there were more than a dozen popes in Africa, long before Europeans were even around. Many were kidnapped and taken to rome to teach the Spiritual Concepts to the European peoples. Everything in Europe From its Architecture on down was basically stolen and twisted, and through force shoved upon the world as their own, - hence the reason why Africa had to be depicted as negative to the rest of the world, (Truly The African Peoples are the Crucifixion) (the Crucified) I did not mean to get off subject. All that says that the African peoples could not be enslaved with their true image- the Black Madonna, the Black Christ on the scene, it had to be wiped out of the minds of the people. (both Black and White)
All one has to do is check the temples in Africa, the walls are Books in stone the stories of the "bibles" all originate from these temples, that Contantine, Justinian and others came in and shut temples down to begin the plagarism and plunder.

I mean from the Roman Arches on down, The Exact same arches and pillars in many of the temples, standing for thousands of years, before there was any civilization in Europe, Many of Europes cities are named after African temples, Paris for example, After the temple of Pariset(sp)
and many others, througout Spain, France, Italy.
Much of this supression was initiated by the Church, which is still supressing this type of info, this is the reason why the Catholic Church to this day does not want its members to read the Bible. All they really want is the peoples mind and money- no different than in the past, it just appears different, and the people feel comfortable so they will never question, the obvious discrepancy.
Well enough of my minor ravings,

Thanks for the insight.
Stay vigilant

Terran

terran, this is interesting, can you provide some sources, links, other materials?

thank you.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
It looks like something that "artists" are parading around nowadays as "art." It's not art;it's despicable.

no, it's renaissance. it's actually fairly good. just because you disagree with what's occuring in the painting doesn't mean it's bad. it's actually well painted. and it's a metaphor. even joseph suckled from mary's holiness.

get with the times, art isn't the realm of prudish thought

but it looks like it's a fresco in a church

here's a paper someone wrote on the topic

www.darkfiber.com...


y'all seem to forget that the concept of a bottle is somewhat new. Breast feeding was the only way to feed your child. There are images of this dating back to ancient egypt. It might not have been done in public but it was most certainly done.

There are some women who cannot breast feed their child(children) for various reasons. They hire a wet nurse if they want their baby to drink breast milk, rather than the canned formula. en.wikipedia.org...

art is subjective. What one person find wrong or disgusting is beauty to another set of eyes. A woman breast feeding a baby is one of the most natural, basic things a woman can do. When you have kids of your own you might understand this better.

The story doesn't come from the bible, but a man.
So for that reason, I believe it's blasphemous.
A ploy by the church, to round up customers.

I believe in God, and this painting make me ill.
But I'm sure there are people worshipping
St Bernard, instead of God. Good grief

I have find this site which depict unusual renaissance art.
Very interesting website as they give some indication and interpretation as well as the location of the painting.
This the link bellow is Miraculous lactation of St Bernard.
Enjoy.

www.aiwaz.net...


Kacou

Originally posted by Crakeur
A woman breast feeding a baby is one of the most natural, basic things a woman can do. When you have kids of your own you might understand this better.

Yeah but that’s not what is wigging out a few people, its a fully grown man doing the suckling. The weirdness still comes from the fact we don’t see breastfeeding much anymore let alone the idea of an adult doing it. Reason I think is that the breast is either for feeding a baby or sexual pleasure as an adult, when wires are crossed like this, it can freak people out.

Personally I don’t think the breast was seen as such a sexual object like it is today, with a sub option of breast feeding, 'if ya want'. More than likely most adult female breasts were lactating milk, and therefore seen as more life giving than sexual pleasure.

I can almost be 100% positive on this, But there are tribes that use breastmilk in cooking, and even some malt drink practices, as well sometimes when food is scarce people have been known to drink breastmilk due to all the proteins and such found in it,

My wife breastfed all three of our kids, all is fine and no smiting has been done.

You know other people in certain situations will drink their own urine as a form of water.


Different times calls for different measures is all im saying. Member lookin at another women in a sexual way was blasphemy. Everything you did was.

breastmilk dinner

breastmilk cheese



[edit on 2-8-2007 by Tranceopticalinclined]