I don't think this thread is a waste of time..we rediscover new things when we go back and rethink about the old things. Curiosity impels you, and the search for truth compels you. When some of us read this we had echoes in our brains of things past read or heard. Didn't it just stir a few ripples of curiosity with us? Without these stirring we would never have left the dark ages and never had the Rennaisance.

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A truly fascinating post and links, and all aspects of it are intriguing. Just wanted to add to the applause.

Reading on the radio echoes, it seems this aspect has the greatest chance of the original observations resurfacing. Seeing as NASA can't even find the original video tapes of the Apollo 11 landing or the plans for the Saturn V, one has to doubt there's anything about polar-orbiting objects from the late 50s. And has any compelling explanation ever been put forward to explain them? Does this still occur?

weird. Are you sure that there may not have been a successful polar orbiting sattelite prior to 1960? Unlikely but possible. Another interesting fact is that it was in polar orbit. Hollow earth perhaps? Finally, if it was aliens, why did they only bounce our signals? Why not sent us something new like on the movie Contact?

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You can speculate an awful lot on this.

Both the US and the Russians kept their rocket tech close to their chests back then, so its possible it could have been a secretly launched satellite.

Getting more whacky - and out there - the Nazi's had actually developed enough rocket technology to put something into space. Maybe a V2 went astray, although an accidental orbital insertion would be a one in a million chance.

A captured asteroid? Also a possibility.

However, I like the alien probe idea. Its the kind of thing we'd do if we were looking at somewhere else.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

I do kind of like that idea, though. That a few people in the world are selected (or are predisposed) to receive some cool super advanced knowledge from a large library located somewhere out there. Aldeberan, I guess. Hopefully it hits somebody smart enough to know what to do with it. Otherwise, I could see where it might drive somebody nuts.

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As an odd sort of tie in, when one looks at history, you find that people in diverse locations are working towards finding an answer to the same problem, sometimes on the same track of thought.

When one steps back from the actual discoveries, it's almost like a classroom setting where a "teacher" asks a question, with a hint towards the answer, and the brighter students start working on the problem.

And the "spark" in different locals seems not to be just one of technical discoveries in the sense of inventions of a mechanical nature. There is no way to be sure, but there seems to have been separate, yet nearly identical, timelines for the invention of writing, basic math, fire, burial of the dead, and such things.

Now I know that sometimes these events were "discovered" separately by region on a time frame that would have allowed the migration of the idea from one culture to another, and so it might have been. But that would mean that such diverse cultures as those in Mexico, building pyramids,were in some way influenced by the architecture from somewhere like Egypt. And that is argued to have not been possible either.

As an example, around 650 AD the use of the placeholder/number "0" came into widespread use. This was the same time frame as the Mayan people of Central America, who also used the concept of "0". Now without some contact between the two cultures, which mainstream science says did not happen, then it is odd that the "0" would appear to both cultures at that point in history when both had gotten on well enough without it for such a long time.

Now before anyone rubs my face in the fact that there are explanations and shadings to the times involved, please remember that I am just pointing out an overview that cultures of wide diversity seem to come to the same end conclusion at ABOUT the same time in history, and that at first blush it seems odd that it would be so.

However, a "teacher in the sky" that struck people with a thought or idea would reasonably explain this away. It just struck more than one person at more than one location.

Do I think that this is what has happened in our past? No, I do not. BUT, I also don't have a better theory either. Such are the mysteries of the past. So it leaves one to wonder.

Originally posted by neformore
Nice thread.

There is a case commonly known as "Fast Walker" where an American DSP satellite picked up an object that passed within 15km of its orbit on a trajectory that came from outside earth orbit and, instead of succumbing to gravity, sent it right back out again, all at approximately 22,000mph.

Meteors and space debris don't do that

I shall read up more on this "Black Knight" subject. Sounds interesting.

Actually, meteors do this all the time. Depending on the angle that they strike the atmosphere, they can skip off back into space like a stone skipping on the water.

Damn it, you beat me, I was just about to write about this haha

I also found it in a book and couldn't weild as much as you had from any online source. It was right next to the "Wow!" signal in the book.

As for Philip K Dick, I have some of his books and I know a bit about him, he was crazy and a great writer, so it would be easy to dismiss his hallucinations as those from drugs or the fact he was insane, but it would also be good to compare his visions with what other people have said. Because remember, at one time only "insane" people considered the CIA poisoning American citizens

I love your thread it's definitely something to look into....I only wish there were more post like this.

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Hey everyone, thanks for all the input and new info. Will definitely go through it all when I have time.

Originally posted by Vinci
Damn it, you beat me, I was just about to write about this haha

I also found it in a book and couldn't weild as much as you had from any online source. It was right next to the "Wow!" signal in the book.

I think it's the same book. It was published by Barnes & Noble's inhouse publishing company and seemed to go straight to the reduced rack

As for Philip K Dick, I have some of his books and I know a bit about him, he was crazy and a great writer, so it would be easy to dismiss his hallucinations as those from drugs or the fact he was insane, but it would also be good to compare his visions with what other people have said. Because remember, at one time only "insane" people considered the CIA poisoning American citizens

Exactly. Who knows what would actually happen to someone's mind if some alien probe attempted to "make contact."

But of course, paranoia, mysterious religious revelations, seeing objects and lights that "aren't there" and hearing voices are all readily explained by mental illness, and the guy spent much of his waking life under the influence of various drugs. It's not too hard to image that crossed more than a few wires.

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this is awesome, especially b/c I have been seeing strange things in the sky. Looking for somewhere else to live, just not sure where yet...

"There was a statement that ham radio operaters pickd up radio transmissions that were "decoded" (whatever that means) as being a star map that indicated the craft originated from Epsilon Bootes 13,000 years before."

What does the undecoded info look like?
How were ham operators able to decode an alien language?

Sounds like one of those early science fiction novellettes. Those were always really neat.