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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:51 AM by kickoutthejams
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Like I said earlier there appears to be a spin attempt away from the London terrorism story even though if anything this story appears more obvious
plus the whole eyewitness accounts. They can't all be wrong and many tie in together.
Cylinders were in the car and appear to the same kind of patio gas I think they called it on SKY. At least one was removed from the vehicle by a
policeman according to some news reports.
There's also the issue that this is in Scotland and slightly out of the Home Office remit and under the Scottish Executive. There's a lot of Scots
in the nugov now as well but it will be down to the Scottish First Minister to comment. It's certainly going to cause both a delay and disconnect
with the speed of investigation.
Not sure the Ibiza bomb is necessarily connected as ETA did announce the end of their ceasefire just recently.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:53 AM by loam
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Top respect to them there heroes... they didnt run but risked their lives for the safety of others.

I agree.
It proves that man still has it in him to be a noble creature.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:55 AM by Muppetus Galacticus
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The UK is really going through it this week isn't it? Bombs and more flooding to come over the weekend. I'm glad I have my stiff upper lip
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:58 AM by shots
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm still open to ideas, but just remember, accidents still do happen even in these times of heightened terrorism.

Given that we have several eyewitness accounts, all stating the very same thing, or pretty darn close to it I think you are wrong this time around.
The vehicle has been reported via phone to sky news by at least four individuals that I know of who witnessed the vehicle driving at roughly 30 MPH
right thru what they call the safety barrier obviously not the same as the concrete ones we have in the US in this case because it did not work.
I suppose if one wants to wear a conspiracy hat here, they could say that they were all coached, but in this case, I do not think so, listening to
them live just sounded too unrehearsed
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:58 AM by FlyersFan
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I don't know if ya'll caught this on the news yet or not ... At least one of the cars used in the London Car Bombs yesterday was stolen from
Scotland. It may, or may not, have something to do with today's events at the Scotish airport. Could be part of the same bunch of (inept)
terrorists.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:59 AM by Soylent Green Is People
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There was a report that at least one of the cars found yesterday in London's thwarted terror attempt were stolen from Scotland.
www.msnbc.msn.com...
Coincidence? Hmmm.
EDIT: Beat me to it, FlyersFan...
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:59 AM by kickoutthejams
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as someone said on another forum about this the British public are more worried about chavs & getting stabbed (which is on the increase massively)
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:00 PM by Muppetus Galacticus
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I don't know if ya'll caught this on the news yet or not ... At least one of the cars used in the London Car Bombs yesterday was stolen from
Scotland. It may, or may not, have something to do with today's events at the Scotish airport. Could be part of the same bunch of (inept)
terrorists. 
Wow, thanks for that information, FF!  I didn't think they would be closely connected, perhaps the info from two individual cells ends up going
to the same person, but I didn't think the same people would be hands-on involved in both attacks. That suggests maybe their MAY be more of a
connection between the two.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:01 PM by Chorlton
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Originally posted by kickoutthejams
as someone said on another forum about this the British public are more worried about chavs & getting stabbed (which is on the increase massively)

No thats just the people that live in the cities
Im more worried about Rabbits & Deer eating my cabbages and lettuces.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:02 PM by Boondock78
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so when/where is the next one going to hit?
maybe one more over the wekend and then the US can get hit say on wednesday. our independence day..
that would certainly open up some goors for g dubbs to start to enact some of his directives....
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:02 PM by kickoutthejams
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well it's certainly bearing the same hallmarks of sheer incompetence as the London event. It is very reassuring though to know that the public are
gonna 'lamp' you if you try something like this. I sense a rising indignance in John Bull!
well tomorrow is Gay Pride in London so if they try anything then they'll probably be taken down by carnival type happy chappys. And also the Diana
memorial gig...
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:06 PM by MischeviousElf
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On the NWO political conspiracy thing....
Gordon brown is known to want to pull out of Iraq ASAP. He has brought in many members of the Cabinet who were agianst any involvement. He wants to
distance britain from America and any further involvement in the Middle East except in regard to working on the Palastine/Israel peace process.
No chance of Britian going into Iran etc.....
however if the "Powers that Be" NWO, Military industrial Comlplex and Neo Cons, Islamo fascists all want this big Confrontation for personal or
perceived Religeous "rapture" "end days" types in both US Iran Saudi Islam etc ...well the events of the last couple of days especially if they
continue may force a change of policy and point of view of this new government. Hell considering 9-11 I wouldnt be suprised if Israel or MI5/CIA (who
all funded created Al Queda) would have um.... encouraged this!
Just thoughts on the big and hidded picture anyone agree?
On sky news just then eye witness stating live that one of the men stated whilst fighting with members of the public "theres bombs in there and there
are more coming"
The emergency Committee Of the UK government COBRA is going to meet tonight.
Regards
Elf
SKY SOURCES STATING NOW 18:02 GMT DEFINATE WHITEHALL TREATING THIS A TERRORIST INCIDENT. IT'S OFFICIAL BUT NOT ON RECORD YET.
ElfEdit for above caps lock.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:09 PM by Soylent Green Is People
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So...yesterday we had a stolen Mercedes parked in front of the London Nightclub, and now we have this Land Rover in Glasgow. IF these
are related, do you think the terrorists deliberately used these luxury vehicles in the hopes that they would not be perceived as a threat as quickly
as a more common car?
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:09 PM by Muppetus Galacticus
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It is now officially being treated as a terrorist incident. Before, the news was saying it was only being treated as a police matter and not one of
national security, which made little sense to me.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:10 PM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
I wouldnt be suprised if Israel or MI5/CIA .... would have um.... encouraged this! 
If the CIA or the Mossad or M15 had been involved, it would have gone off much better than what you have been seeing yesterday and today. (IMHO)
These were terrorists. Inept terrorists. But still terrorists.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:13 PM by kickoutthejams
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Yeah I don't know on the one hand Gordon Brown has called for NWO using those words, has been accepted into Bilderbeger and is a darling of the
banks. His personal agenda (apart from being a Scottish PM in England and sticking it to the English) seems to be very inward looking and tinker-like
with the process of government. He has appointed controversial anti-war and non-pro israel types to gov though. He's kept out of foreign affairs as
chancellor and most of his life also, it's really not his bag. Yet he wants 90 detention without charge and is refloating the Bill, as well tougher
anti-terror laws and something about the army getting involved in terrorism issues at home.
The fact this new event has occurred in Scotland will have hit him hard for certain. As well as all this coming on the back of his new controversial
cabinet announcements and premiership. I think there's some mileage so far in this being a message of sorts.
It's Israel and USA leading the charge on Iran there's really not much the UK can do in comparison.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:14 PM by MischeviousElf
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Flyers Fan...
I agree to a point... encouraging it, by using these type of people just by their connections to the top of Al Queada which then filters down as
orders to sleeper cells, not meaning anything like 9-11 type of operation.
Gordon brown is scottish too will really push his buttons.
Regards
Elf
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:14 PM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
do you think the terrorists deliberately used these luxury vehicles in the hopes that they would not be perceived as a threat as quickly as a more
common car? 
Sure. Remember the terrorist who wanted to use limos in the same way? Remember the warning about terrorists trying to buy up used ambulances here in
the USA? (NJ I think).
BTW .. AlQueda 'graduated' a bunch of students from their suicide school a few weeks back. IF we are seeing the fruits of these students in these
terrorist attacks .. they should have held them back for another session.
ABC NEWS
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:15 PM by timeless test
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A number of witnesses are saying that the driver tried to reverse and have another charge at the doors. There's also clear reports of molotov
cocktails/petrol bombs in the hands of the passenger.
It's beginning to sound rather like an attempt to get a vehicle bomb inside the terminal accompanied by petrol bomb attacks which went rather
wrong.
It has to be said both this and the London incidents sound fairly amateurish but potentially very dangerous nonetheless.
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reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 12:18 PM by FlyersFan
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The Global Incident Map indicates that all flights in and out of that airport
are suspended.
Side note - The main map has a few incidents in regards to planes violating presidential airspace. Bush is in NYC today????? I didn't know that.
Or did I read that wrong??
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