Blairs Irony

Today we saw the resignation of Tony Blair, and the installation of an un-elected Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

The really funny thing is that Blair's new job is going to be as an envoy to the middle east!
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So after starting a war, he gets a job trying to fix the problems he's caused?

Irony is alive and well in the British government.

Originally posted by budski
So after starting a war, he gets a job trying to fix the problems he's caused?

Tony Blair started the war?

Your view of history must be limited to about six months, all of it spent on ATS.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by budski
So after starting a war, he gets a job trying to fix the problems he's caused?

Tony Blair started the war?

Your view of history must be limited to about six months, all of it spent on ATS.

OK so it was badly put - but you know what I mean

Grady, you seem to forget that it was Blair who led this country into war based on a complete pack of lies and spin that anyone with an ounce of sense could see through.
I'm sure many in the ME will also greet him warmly for allowing all those US armament flights to Israel stage through dear old Blighty, so nice shiny new cluster bombs could be dropped on civilians in Lebanon.

I wonder too just who exactly he is representing in this role as envoy?

i wouldnt say tony blair started the war but bush however tony blair tagged along like bushs lapdog and did what ever he says i hope gordon will not be the same

Originally posted by budski
So after starting a war, he gets a job trying to fix the problems he's caused?

Don't forget to give him an incomplete set of body armour, badly fitting boots and a sand-jammed SA80...then let's see him finish what he started

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Tony Blair started the war?

He sure as hell had a large role to play.

Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government, also known as the September Dossier, was a document published by the United Kingdom Labour government on 24 September 2002 on the same day of a recall of Parliament to discuss the contents of the document.

The paper was part of a campaign by the government to bolster support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Its release date was brought forward due to increasing pressure from the media, and in the face of fierce criticism of the claim that Iraq possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs)...

Britain's biggest selling popular daily newspaper, The Sun, carried the headline "Brits 45 Mins from Doom", while the Star reported "Mad Saddam Ready to Attack: 45 Minutes from a Chemical War"...

Source.

Perhaps you would do well to look into the claims of the British government in the build up to Gulf War II, and the influence these claims had on the American administration.

Originally posted by Britguy
Grady, you seem to forget that it was Blair who led this country into war based on a complete pack of lies and spin that anyone with an ounce of sense could see through.
I'm sure many in the ME will also greet him warmly for allowing all those US armament flights to Israel stage through dear old Blighty, so nice shiny new cluster bombs could be dropped on civilians in Lebanon.

I wonder too just who exactly he is representing in this role as envoy?

The ones with the most to gain:

Tony Blair is to become a Middle East envoy working on behalf of the US, Russia, the UN and the EU.

The announcement comes just hours after he stood down as UK prime minister and shortly before it was announced he was to quit as a member of parliament.

Mr Blair said a "solution" to the problems in the Middle East was possible but that this would require "huge intensity and work".

Russia opposed his appointment initially but has since agreed to it.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Of course Russia opposed him at first - they always do, just to give them a bargaining position.

As for who started the war?
Let's not kid ourselves it was about WMD, terrorism, freedom for the Iraqi's or any of the old, tired excuses.

It was to protect our oil supplies, by gaining a foothold in the mid east - and this was the most politically acceptable way - or so they thought.

[edit on 27/6/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by manzoor
i wouldnt say tony blair started the war but bush however tony blair tagged along like bushs lapdog and did what ever he says i hope gordon will not be the same

When i hear this it does make me wonder what mess we'd be in if we'd let the US go it alone. My gut feeling is things would be whole lot worse.

So what have been his achievements in office?

He lead us into a needless war

He screwed up the NHS - 24 hours to save it? 10 years and it's worse than ever

Tough on Crime? gang violence spiralling out of control, prisons so overcrowded they have to release criminals before their time, and his good buddy in charge of the justice system

Reduce unemployment? by a marginal amount - but claims to have reduced it by much more by fudging the figures on those people "able" to work - more Incap anyone?

Open door immigration policy - up to 1 million illegals (at least) in the country

No more sleaze?

April 2006 Cameron MacIntosh says he was offered Peerage for loan
April 2006 Peter Law’s 'peerage'
April 2006 Charles Clarke & the failed deportations
April 2006 John Prescott's Affair(s)
April 2006 Cherie Blair’s hairdressing bill
April 2006 - Jack McConnell under pressure over breaking the ministerial code of conduct by giving public backing to a luxury golf resort planned by Donald Trump which could prejudice the planning process for the development
April 2006 - Revealed that Jack McConnell met with furniture tycoon Robert Morris over compensation to relocate his factory on the route of the M74 extension. The £35million was more than double the original compensation offer
March 2006 - Defeated Labour MP Calum MacDonald gets publicly paid job as Forestry Commissioner
March 2006 Tessa Jowell & husband
March 2006 Peerages for Cash
March 2006 Prescott pays no Council tax
March 2006 Margaret Beckett’s Royal Flights
February 2006 Ken Livingstone loses Standards Board appeal over anti-Jewish remarks
October 2005 Blunkett resigns over links to DNA firm
October 2005 Cherie Gets £100,000 for “charity” speaking tour
October 2005 Stephen Byers apologies for lieing over Railtrack
September 2005 Michael Watson MSP jaimed for arson
August 2005 - Revealed that disgraced former Scottish Executive special adviser, Phil Chalmers, is heading up a bid by French IT firm Atos Origin to secure some of the ID card contracts
July 2005 - Defeated Labour MP David Stewart gets job with the publicly funded SCVO only two months after losing his seat
June 2005 Cherie Opens Shopping centre for Malaysian millionaire
June 2005 Labour MSP Ken MacIntosh resigns over non declaration of financial interests
June 2005 Cherie Blair cashes in on Tony’s Washington trip
May 2005 Birmingham Labour Party accused over post voting irregularities
April 2005 - Brian Wilson MP's final section on Register of Members' Interests shows directorships and advisory roles to renewable energy firms. As Energy Minister he promoted renewable energy
April 2005 - Revealed that Jack McConnell met with Labour donor Willie Haughey to discuss compensation on a land deal where the M74 would pass through Haughey's property. Initial compensation of £7.4 million rose to £16.5 million
March 2005 Labour charges £200 for candidate contact details
February 2005 Cherie Blair embarks on lucrative Australian speaking tour
January 2005 Candy Atherton’s researcher digs for gay Tory dirt
January 2005 - Jack McConnell fails to register a holiday at the Spanish villa of BBC broadcaster Kirsty Wark
January 2005 - Sarah Davidson, once an adviser to former Scottish secretary Helen Liddell, lands a £75,000-a-year job enforcing McConnell’s smoking ban. The new job was never advertised. She was the civil servant who presided over a £200m rise in the cost of Holyrood before taking a six-month sabbatical to travel round the world
December 2004 Oona King offered £10000 to bed Labour Euro MP
October 2004 - Revealed that 70% of Scottish quango appointees have links to the Labour party
August 2004 August 2004 - Former Edinburgh Labour Provost Eric Milligan appointed Scotland’s “welcome czar” to the tourism industry. Although not paid a salary he receives expenses to travel the world
June 2004 - Willie Haughey, who has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Labour party, appointed to the post of chairman of Scottish Enterprise Glasgow.
May 2004 Lord Drayson’s company wins non competitive tender contract after £50,000 donation to Labour
May 2004 - Failed Labour candidate Hugh Raven, a former parliamentary assistant to Peter Peacock, the education minister, awarded a £23,415 contract as a board member of Scottish Natural Heritage
April 2004 Beverley Hughes resigns over Immigration scandal
February 2004 Labour criticised by Electoral Commission for late tendering of accounts
January 2004 - Revealed that Schlumberger hired disgraced special adviser Philip Chalmers to run the Scottish Tourist Board’s Visit Scotland website. The website is part of a Scottish Executive PFI contract
November 2003 Margaret Hodge forced to resign over libelling Demetrious Panton
September 2003 - Harry McGuigan, a leading Lanarkshire Labour councillor appointed as a member of the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration board
August 2003 David Kelly commits suicide
August 2003 Chris Bryant pictured in briefs on Gaydar website
August 2003 - Defeated Labour MSP Iain Gray appointed as Alistair Darling's special adviser at a salary of £60,000
August 2003 - Failed Labour candidate Pat Kelly appointed to board of Scottish Water.
March 2003 Clive Betts MP employed rent boy in House of Commons office
December 2002 Cherie Blair apologises over links to conman Peter Foster
October 2002 - Lanarkshire Labour party hold a Red Rose Dinner attended by a notorious drug baron called Justin McAlroy
October 2002 - Forty-four constituency Labour parties in Scotland revealed to have failed to register agreements to accept regular donations from trades unions. Failure to do so is a criminal offence
September 2002 Labour MP Alan Meale in trouble over deportation case linked to donation
July 2002 Carphone Warehouse chairman claims Lord Levy tried to nobble a £1 million donation
June 2002 Ken Livingstone accused of manhandling his partner while drunk at a party
June 2002 Black Rod accuses Downing Street of trying to muscle in on Queen Mother's funeral
June 2002 Labour spin doctors accuse Paddington crash victim Pam Warren of being a Tory stooge
May 2002 Stephen Byers resigns from government after various scandals
May 2002 Tessa Jowell criticises Labour for accepting donation from Richard Desmond
March 2002 Lakshmi Mittal
March 2002 Donnygate Doncaster Labour scandal ends in prison for Labour councillors
February 2002 Arthur Andersen & donations to Labour
February 2002 Martin Sixsmith forced to resign by Stephen Bye

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May 2002 Tessa Jowell criticises Labour for accepting donation from Richard Desmond
March 2002 Lakshmi Mittal
March 2002 Donnygate Doncaster Labour scandal ends in prison for Labour councillors
February 2002 Arthur Andersen & donations to Labour
February 2002 Martin Sixsmith forced to resign by Stephen Byers
February 2002 Jo Moore resigns over ‘burying bad news’ email
January 2002 - Norman Murray, Labour councillor and former convenor of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, appointed board member of the Scottish Ambulance Service at £7,305 a year
January 2002 Labour spin doctors trash reputation of Rose Addis
January 2002 Enron accused of buying access to Labour after donation
December 2001 Keith Vaz criticised by Standards Commissioner over business links
December 2001 Nigel Griffiths and £40,000 office expenses
November 2001 Henry McLeish resigns as Scottish First Minister after office expense scandal
November 2001 November 2001 - Jack McConnell admits to affair with Labour party secretary who he tried to keep in situ by appealing to Labour MPs for funds. He says he has had no other affairs
July 2001 Hindujahs receive passports after Labour donation
May 2001 May 2001 - Robin Young, a former non-executive director of Bovis (construction managers of the Scottish Parliament) appointed as permanent secretary at the Department of Trade and Industry
April 2001 - Failed Labour candidate Keith Geddes appointed to board of Scottish Natural Heritage
January 2001 Buyer of Millennium Dome Robert Bourne accused over donation to Labour
January 2001 Peter Mandelson resigns for the second time
November 2000 Cherie Blair & Nannygate
July 2000 David Blunkett fails to declare income from rent on his Wimbledon home
June 2000 Geoffrey Robinson in trouble with Belgian tax authorities
June 2000 Lord Ali in trouble for using House of Lords as business address
April 2000 John Prescott fails to disclose benefit of Union owned flat
January 2000 Geoffrey Robinson faces fraud inquiry over Transtec
January 2000 Gordon Brown faces Inquiry over flat purchased from Maxwell ruins
January 2000 January 2000 - Police arrest Philip Chalmers, who earned £50,000-a-year as head of the Scottish Executive’s strategic communications unit, for being drunk at the wheel of his car in a red light district with a prostitute
October 1999 Ron Davies goes badger watching
October 1999 October 1999 - Failed Labour candidate Joan Aitken appointed as the Prisons Complaints Commissioner
September 1999 Scottish Labour Party lobbying scandal
July 1999 Ken Collins, former Labour MEP, appointed chairman of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency with a salary of £45,000
December 1998 Geoffrey Robinson resigns over loaning money to Mandelson
December 1998 Peter Mandelson resigns over Geoffrey Robinson loan
November 1998 Nick Brown admits paying for gay sex
October 1998 Ron Davies’s Moment of Madness on Clapham Common
July 1998 Downing Street adviser Roger Liddle investigatedover lobbying links
March 1998 Lord Irvine’s £650,000 of wallpaper
March 1998 Scottish Parliament building tendering process & construction
July 1999 Derek Draper & Lobbygate
August 1998 Robin Cook’s affair with Gaynor Regan exposed
November 1997 Bernie Eccleston’s £1 million donation investigated
May 1997 Mohammed Sarwar accused of bribery
Each year Blair's freebie holidays
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Bullying and threatening the media, and anyone who dared disagree

The advent of "black" spin

The rise of PC to ludicrous proportions.

And lets not forget the total fiasco that is now the transport system.

Anyone else glad to see him go?

Surely Brown can't be much worse.

My only advice for those in the mid east is pray a little harder, cos he's on his way.

[edit on 27/6/2007 by budski]

Blair started the war between the Israeli's and Palestinians? Thats a new one on me.

And who said anything about that?

Please stay on thread, or expand your remark to make it inclusive to the existing conversation.

Because Blaire's Primary role will be to mediate the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis not solve the problem in Iraq. The role of the Middle East Peace envoy has always been for the peace process involving/surrounding Israel.

"UNITED NATIONS — The United Nations, United States, European Union and Russia announced the appointment Wednesday of Tony Blair as their representative to promote peace between Israel and the Palestinians."

I sir AM on topic.



[edit on 27-6-2007 by princeofpeace]

Actually the news announcer here also told us, that Blair is moving to Jerusalem with his family, leaving England. Well, well, well. He deserved a place in Jerusalem for something... tsk-tsk-tsk.

And you don't think that the war in Iraq has any effect on the rest of the middle east?

One of the real reasons for invading Iraq was (amongst others) to provide reassurance for the Israeli's, so they wouldn't attack Iraq themselves.

Saddam was also agitating in the conflict between Israel and Palestine as are nearly all countries in the mid east, not excepting our "allies".

And do you think that the palestinians/other mid east agitators won't hold a grudge against Blair for his involvement in the Iraq war, and for the supply of weapons to Israel, using UK air bases as staging points?

As you probably know the mid east is diverse and complex, but above all it is muslim, and muslim countries will always support each other against "aggressors"

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Actually the news announcer here also told us, that Blair is moving to Jerusalem with his family, leaving England. Well, well, well. He deserved a place in Jerusalem for something... tsk-tsk-tsk.

Nah, thats because he thinks he's the second coming

I wonder if that's what he spoke to the pope about then (amongst other things)

Blair and cambell should be doing time for their lies.Cambell was the chief spinner and Tony was the weasily snake oil sales man who sold us a pack of lies about WMDS

Unlike Bush,Tony clearly mentioned just before the latest crusade that Saddam could stay in power as long as he gave up his weapons of mas distruction.We the UK went there for WMDs,not to change power-So puppet Tony realy hasnt a leg to stand on but seems to be able to rewrite history with the help of his fleet street hacks and tv networks

We now went there as tony says to give them democracy,but of course that is Hypocrisy on the tip of someone else tounge

Tony a middle east envoy for peace!lol You know the funny thing is he,george and the rest of gods choosen people cant see the irony in it.lol

I personly think we should bring back all are brave soldiers over there and replace them with the cowardly money grabbing warmonges who put them there against the wishes of i would say the majority of the planet.

If our leaders had to fight on the front line we wouldnt be doing a lot of fighting

At least Tony is out of England soon,shame he couldnt take Gordon with him

Originally posted by Britguy
Grady, you seem to forget that it was Blair who led this country into war based on a complete pack of lies and spin that anyone with an ounce of sense could see through.

I haven't forgotten anything.

What really happened is that the whole world was offered the body of evidence that was available at the time and the world agreed that invading Iraq in the wake of 9/11 was the prudent thing to do, given Saddam's penchant for invading his neighbors and snuffing out problematic populations with chemical weapons.

The only nations that disagreed at the time were the one's with commercial interests in Iraq, including the weapons trade. You remember France, Russia, Syria, et al., right?

Saddam could have prevented the invasion by coming clean, but he chose to either hide his WMDs elsewhere or continue the charade till the moment of truth.

You do remember Iraq invading Kuwait, don't you? You do remember about a decade of no-fly-zone violations and the scores of air strikes against Iraq that were authorized and executed by the Clinton Administration, don't you.

You do remember the years playing "cat and mouse" with the UN weapons inspectors, don't you?

If you and your ilk had responsibility for the world's safety in the wake of 9/11, you'd have probably wet your pants and locked your self in your room for a month after 9/11.

Given a choice I'll stick with George Bush and Tony Blair any day.

What the world needed then was decisive action for better or worse.

I'm just glad there are people in our nations who in their youth have the guts to rise to the call, instead of reciting the coward's litany ad nauseum.

[edit on 2007/6/27 by GradyPhilpott]

You seem to be confusing what you percieve to be the reasons for turning Iraq ino a slaughterhouse, with the reasons that were sold to the public:

Britain's biggest selling popular daily newspaper, The Sun, carried the headline "Brits 45 Mins from Doom", while the Star reported "Mad Saddam Ready to Attack: 45 Minutes from a Chemical War"

The source? Downing Street. Any truth involved? Not a shred.

This isn't about what an individuals perceptions are concerning the reasons we went to war. This is about a government lying to it's people, to force a state of affairs it deems attractive.