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Originally posted by mvario
Is there a reason everyone is assuming that the object in question is level? A slight degree of pitch would alter where the shadows fall on itself, and without horizon visible in the picture I don't see how that can be determined.
Also, even assuming that exif information hasn't been tampered with is there any reason that the time setting is accurate?
Originally posted by mvario
Originally posted by 11 11
Originally posted by greatlakes
And how is the height of the drone determined?
Is it best guess, or is it known with an uncertainty factor or what?
We know its higher than the telephone pole.......
...it still doesn't matter, the Sun is STILL higher than the drone, meaning the arm should cast a shadow right on the body.
Is there a reason everyone is assuming that the object in question is level? A slight degree of pitch would alter where the shadows fall on itself, and without horizon visible in the picture I don't see how that can be determined.
Also, even assuming that exif information hasn't been tampered with is there any reason that the time setting is accurate?
Originally posted by srb2001
I'm a cgi artist, and after having looked closely at the photography of "Isaac's" alien artifacts (pacl-q486-photo-4-fullsize.jpg), there is no evidence of digital rendering. That is, there are no pixels representing antialiasing on the geometric edges of the objects depicted.
Even by utilizing blur (Gaussian and grain) filters to mimic photographic imagery, the falloff from the object edges is completely different for digital synthetic rendering than what is seen in these photos.
Also note the slight luminous ringing, or halo, of background that surrounds the edge delineation of the objects photographed. This effect is from optical iris compensation for contrast thresholds (i.e. dark edges against a very light background). This effect is not easily achievable in PhotoShop or some other digital graphic manipulation application. It is exclusively seen in either optical or electronic (TV) displays. That is another way of saying that the photography is analog rather than digital. These objects were photographed with a traditional, SLR-type film camera.
Originally posted by LethalDose
The man that literally wrote the book on photoshop, David Biedny (google him), has declared all the sets of images fake, and that is enough for me.
Originally posted by srb2001
That is another way of saying that the photography is analog rather than digital. These objects were photographed with a traditional, SLR-type film camera.
Originally posted by pjslug
The luminous ringing is correct, and that would be from an SLR. But it makes no difference if it is digital or film, because the lens and optics are all the same. The only difference in a digital camera is the CCD board instead of the film. The type of camera and the time it was taken were all present in the EXIF data, a Minolta DiMAGE X, which I believe is an SLR camera.
Originally posted by chunder
Originally posted by LethalDose
The man that literally wrote the book on photoshop, David Biedny (google him), has declared all the sets of images fake, and that is enough for me.
Good for you, don't bother posting anymore then unless you are going to add something to the discussion.
Personally I don't care what this guy says. If he has done some work such as spf then give me a link to it and I'll look at it and make a decision based on that.
I think it's fairly clear that a certain set of pictures of the drone are fake. Doesn't matter, it only takes one to be real.
Also for those that have said it's a hoax because they have predicted the next picture or sequence of events or that this conforms to some standard pattern of hoaxing you are probably right to a degree. The fake pics do fall into that pattern but take those out and the sequence of events is slightly different.
None of the eyewitness accounts mention an appendage hanging below the central ring, nor is anything shown by Isaac to that effect.
Originally posted by 11 11
Maybe this is more understandable?
By the way, there are EXIF EDITORS avalible on the internet. Simple easy click ones...
You would think if a graphics artist was trying to hoax people, he would have thought of an EXIF EDITOR.
[edit on 30-6-2007 by 11 11]
Err the Minolta Dimage X is a digital camera as far as I can tell. See here: www.imaging-resource.com...
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Originally posted by Farnswoth
Speaking about photos, have you noticed that most of the scratches and dirt on the photographs are visible in the "original" documents?
I didn't even bother to line them up properly, but they're there. You can see them better by putting them in different layers and turning them on/off.
Originally posted by greatlakes
Originally posted by mvario
Is there a reason everyone is assuming that the object in question is level? A slight degree of pitch would alter where the shadows fall on itself, and without horizon visible in the picture I don't see how that can be determined.
Also, even assuming that exif information hasn't been tampered with is there any reason that the time setting is accurate?
The time setting was determined not by the EXIF data, read 1111's post, it was determined from the sun angle and the geographic location of the picture origin.
That was the whole point of the alt/azimuth calcs...
But you bring a good point I think, that is the angle w.r.t level of the drone. This I believe can also be determined, we know the suns location, the time of day and the angles it makes from the shadow of a level object. The angle of the craft can then be determined from this information, from how the shadows fall onto the craft longitudinally.
spf33 what software is that your're using.?