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reply posted on 8-1-2004 @ 09:20 AM by BelowtheRadar
Bush was marketed as the conservative's candidate in the election... this is why you're seeing conservatives get VERY squemish today - they understand they were duped and are disheartened. (I'm new here, haven't touched the political mud pit except for this thread, and don't intend to... i come HERE for debate in other threads - this one caught my attention...)

I really hope this comment wasn't directed at me. I've said repeatedly in these posts that I DO NOT TURN to "foxnews" for all - or even a chunk of - my news - usually only when I want to see VIDEO of what's going on. And CSPAN is a joke - I can't stand watching politicians spew their propaganda... it's really disgusting. Anyway, there's a lot more to the news and life than what the politicians are up to.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Originally posted by BelowtheRadar
If you are looking for a site that is nothing but knee-jerkers who blindly swallow the "news" that was fed to the public unrivaled for years until a new source came along, I'm sure you will find it. Go look for it. Then you can sit around and sing from the liberal hymnal with others just like you. Or, you can stick around and learn while at the same time offering another point of view to others. That is what we have here. Differing points of view, politically. We like it that way, elsewise we'd all go to sites where all the people are in lock step.

How is this a political scandal, by the way?

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Thomas Crowne]




reply posted on 13-1-2004 @ 09:45 AM by DiRtYDeViL
Good letter that sums up fox news and the American media very well.
www.opednews.com...

Sample
So... Fox is building its viewer base with hard core right wingers who don't want facts, don't want unbiased news. They want bull#. They want snide, smarmy reporting that supports their biased, partisan perspectives. And that's what they get. The frightening thing is that the other networks are, more and more mimicking Fox. CNN, which occasionally shows some unbiased ethical reporting, does use as some of its top reporters, clearly partisan individuals who ask thinly veiled questions aimed at making democrats and the left look bad.


[Edited on 13-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]


reply posted on 14-1-2004 @ 10:31 AM by joehayner
Sorry it took so long. But here goes...

First of all it's Joe Hayner, second, if you want me to provide facts on how some news programs are liberally biased, you must provide me with evidence of conservative bias in FOX.

Anyway, heres a little quote from an article on Mr. Tom Brokaw-

Brokaw decried conservative outlets for liberal-media rebuttals as merely cesspools for "commercial nihilism." Radio stations are "instantly jingoistic and savagely critical of any questions raised about the decisions leading up to, for example, the war in Iraq." Conservative criticism isn't free speech, but the enemy of free speech: "They suffocate vigorous discourse, the oxygen of a system such as ours, by identifying those who refuse to conform and encouraging a kind of e-mail or telephonic jihad, which is happily carried out by well-funded organizations operating under the guise of promoting fair press coverage."

Here's the whole article, read it...
www.townhall.com...

Here's another article regaurding Rush's 'racist' comment. www.townhall.com...

From a past survey of the national media:

80% have never voted for a Republican President.
86% of the media elite decision makers said they seldom or never attend religious services
53% don't think adultery is wrong
56% believe the U.S. "exploits" third world nations
80% favor affirmative action programs over merit based programs
These same people label conservatives "extremists, radicals, and mean-spirited."

This came from another site...www.earstohear.net...

Example of bias: Coverage of Iraq: Kansas Republican Representative Todd Tiahrt, just back from Iraq, says despite what the mainstream media may be reporting, things are going along quite well there. While the majority of the national media is emphasizing the violence and unrest in Iraq, Tiahrt says the situation in that country is a lot better than the American public is being led to believe. During his recent fact-finding tour of Iraq, Tiahrt says he saw more happening than riots, ambushes, and unemployment. "There is some criminal activity, people trying to car-jack," he says, "but when you look at how dangerous some of our cities are here in America and compare that to the number of troops that we've lost ... it's a pretty successful story that should be told -- and the national news media has overlooked it." According to the U.S. congressman, Iraqi children returned to refurbished schools this week, the universities are back in session, every hospital in the nation is functioning, farmers are working again, and the markets are open. Also, 75% of Iraq now has electrical power, and other utilities are back on line as well. Tiahrt says the country is definitely making progress in the rebuilding effort, and the main problems still plaguing Iraq are the result of old infrastructure and acts of sabotage. AgapePress.org You won't hear this from ABC, CBS, NBC, or NPR. Why, because they ONLY report that which will make President Bush and Conservatives appear in a negative way. It is how the media deceives Americans. Notice how they ALWAYS portray liberals in a positive light. Bias? Do you have ears to hear?
The above is from the same source.

All news sources have a bias, you can even find conflicting quotes on different ones. Aren't quotes supposed to be exact? Isn't that what these things mean ""?

I answered your challenge. Now answer mine.


reply posted on 14-1-2004 @ 12:21 PM by RANT
Not to intrude on whoever that challenge was meant for, but I did read your links. What I feel compelled to redirect this debate towards is the difference in journalism and editorialism and even one's own right to a personal opinion.

In order of your presentation, Brent Bozell pointing to off camera comments from Brokaw doesn't PROVE biased journalism on Brokaw's part.

Debate over whether or not Rush really IS a racist, doesn't prove anything about journalism either way, for he is not a journalist, defining himself as an entertainer.

The survey results only prove what you might suspect. Highly educated types that enter the world of journalism tend to be liberal in personal belief and vote. Again, what does that have to do with proving what they report is biased?

And yet another Republican visits Iraq and says everythings GREAT. :sigh: That's kind of the most over reported "unreported" finding of the century, don't you think?

Should you be suspicious that the talking head on CBS or CNN (for example) might be a dyed in the wool liberal and secretly vote Democratic. Hell yes. Consider that as you consume his or her largely unbiased reporting of facts. And the fact you still have to guess where they stand for the large part is because they report UNEDITORIALIZED.

What you DON'T even have to speculate on, however, is where the typical FOX NEWS pundit stands (for that is where this debate started). "Dummycraps" "9 Dwarf Wannabes" "Dean has foot in mouth disease"

Fine. Great. Brokaw may secretly think Bush is a baby eater, but does he SAY it on the NEWS? Hell no.

I took journalism, have worked in broadcasting, and am a trained public relations practitioner... I also watch Fox News, and have to tell you, though no network is perfect, Fox has no line between editorializing and reporting. Same thing. How can you even pretend a COLONEL NORTH might be unbiased?

If Fox just did their thing and didn't harp on the Fair & Balanced lie, or everyone is biased but us JOKE of all time...fine. I wouldn't care if they wanted to be the cable version of a Rush type "INFORMATION ENTERTAINMENT" variety show. But they genuinely mislead without acknowledging it... and it's an insult to journalism and viewers.
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