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reply posted on 13-6-2007 @ 04:37 PM by junglelord
how in the world do you equate whaleing with eating a local grown chicken?
How do you equate mass slaughter of innocent animals for sport to sustanence?
How do you take a statement that is ovbiously meant to deride those stances into eating?

PS I do not drive a car, my carbon print is very small, I only eat chickens that I know how they lived and where...most of my food is from a garden
I see no comparison at all.

maybe your the type of person that would kill that whale, maybe you condone whaleing, sport hunting and raping mother earth.

thats the kind of logic you used on me

remember my disgust with killing innocent animals is justified, your equation is stupid at best

back on topic...I see no reason to endorse whaleing even amoung Native Americans and I am 1/3 Mohawk, so I speak from some relationship to the earth...europeans have very little of that.

Our own rights as Native North Americans are now superceeded by the state of the enviorment and the loss of species.

The estimates of many animals, like whales have been grossly inaccurate and there are much less then we were taught.

I stand firmly on my position, I am sickened by this state of the world where everything is on the endangered list...NOT brought to you by Native Americans.

Native Americans always hunted in sustainable ways...which has nothing to do with the whale industry and where we are today, so that even our taking of whales is a no no to me.

[edit on 13-6-2007 by junglelord]


reply posted on 13-6-2007 @ 05:08 PM by junglelord
because there are very few whales




reply posted on 13-6-2007 @ 06:22 PM by Sparky63
I think one thing we should all do is stop thinking of Native Americans as "Noble Savages" always living at "at one" with nature. I know many Native Americans who presently hunt for sport and I have no doubt many did so in the past.

The very idea that Native Americans never wasted anything or killed unnecessarily is pure fallacy and a figment of European..(White Mans) imagination.

All human Societies are guilty of pollution, rape, murder and abuse of resources and the fellow man. Native Americans are no exception.

Here is an interesting comment on the subject that speaks volumes in my opinion,
No, seriously, there has never been a human society in which no one ever abused, murdered, or raped anyone else. American Indian societies were no exception. I've been a little surprised to hear this idea coming from some Indians now as well as white New Agers. Some people need to go back and listen to the old stories a little more. Why do the villains in our legends and oral histories rape, murder, abuse and enslave people if we never knew what that was? This is really the other side of the same "savage Indians didn't understand honesty, love, or loyalty" coin, and it's just as dehumanizing. Of course we knew what pollution, rape, massacres, and wife-beating were, and we knew they were wrong. We had laws against these things, we punished people we caught doing them, and we told stories with morals to teach the children they were unacceptable and would lead to no good end. A dog never does anything evil and never does anything about evil, because a dog doesn't understand evil. Civilized people are capable of evil and work together to protect their society from falling prey to it. Native Americans, contrary to some reports, were and are civilized people.


Here is a difficult truth: neither. People on both continents knew how best to live in their native environment, built the tools and machines they needed for their daily lives, wore clothes, made music and art, took care of their children and elders, fought wars, built cities, prayed, and sometimes did wicked things. Most people couldn't read or write, but some could. Some leaders were just, and others oppressed people. Europeans had more advanced weapons, and Native Americans took more baths.

Somehow, this is the very hardest idea for Americans to come to terms with, given the massive genocide that occurred here. If heroic white pioneers wiped out a race of ignorant cavemen who were just living miserable savage lives anyway, or if misguided white aggressors slew a noble and gentle race of otherwordly beings who might have otherwise taught them the secrets of wise living, then those would be comprehensible tragedies. That one group of normal, generally decent people should have slaughtered another group of normal, generally decent people--ordinary human beings who baked bread and did their laundry and watched football games and gossiped about their neighbors and made mistakes and loved their children--is psychologically devastating, almost beyond comprehension. But that's what happened. We're just like you. We always have been. There are just fewer of us, now.

compliments of
www.native-languages.org...

My Grandmother was 1/2 French and 1/2 Cherokee. Not quite sure what that makes me, but I had always had an idealized vision of Native American living in total balance with nature until I visited reservations in New Mexico and saw first hand the pollution and filth that seemed common to almost every area I visited. It was a real eye opener for me.


Now back to the whale. I can understand the disgust so many have with hunting them for sport especially because the numbers left are dwindling rapidly.
I think that the Natives who continue to hunt them are just riding the coat tails of their ancestors. I agree that using modern methods to hunt them negates any cultural value they claim to support.

Shades of Ahab...."To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee..."

Not all cultures today vew them as "gentle giants".


reply posted on 14-6-2007 @ 11:50 AM by Sparky63
sonic.net...

This is a link to a site that lists the lifespans of various animals.
While whales are not mentioned here it does have some other animals that get to be "long in the tooth" as my grandad used to say;

Galapagos Land Tortoise 193 years
American Box Turtle 123 years
Carp 100 years
Elephant 70 years
Amazon Parrot 80 years

A different site list this: www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com...

Bowhead whale 200 years
Tortoise 193 years
Turtle 125 years

The winner according to this site is the Quahog
(deep sea clam) 220 years.

However ask.yahoo.com... has this to say about the creature with the longest lifespan.

The oldest animal on the planet may be the deep-sea tubeworm Lamellibrachia, found in the Gulf of Mexico. These skinny tubes live in colonies, and each creature can live around 170 to 250 years.


Imagine the knowlege & wisdom we could aquire over two lifespans.


[edit on 14-6-2007 by Sparky63]

[edit on 14-6-2007 by Sparky63]


reply posted on 14-6-2007 @ 04:52 PM by selfless
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Upon extensively reviewing the ingredients printed on the back of my bag of cheese, which may qualify as the all important research that you so kindly suggested, I found there to be no Rennet in the cheese.


I suggest researching it on the internet for the actual ingredients of the ingredients.

Search the words rennet and enzymes.

FDA has a tendency to hide ingredients within other ingredients and then call a combination of substances one individual ingredient.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Even if there were, I also said that killing for food purposes isn't considered animal abuse or cruelty in my opinion.


Well you called your self a vegetarian but at the same time you said that you eat cheese and so I was only trying to give you some information for your own good as to what food have meat in them that you would not know about.

You gave me the impression that you did not want to eat animal's.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
The bottom line is, I do not consume your typical meat products.


Well I dunno if you are talking to me when you say that but just so you know, I'm not a vegetarian. I am a vegan, I don't even drink milk nor eat eggs.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
I'm also quite certain that the things I do eat do not contain any part of an animal.


Because you didn't know that there are cow intestines in cheese, this indicated to me that you wouldn't know about some of the other products that are even less known to the public that have animal ingredients in them.

How long have you been a vegetarian? I'm just trying to raise your awareness on certain foods that have meat in them that they don't tell the public about.
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