Who Wants to Help? FOIA Request

I'll try to make this short and simple...

There is an animation of FL 77's flight path that Pilot's for 9/11 Truth claim was sent from the NTSB. This animation contradicts the official story, and is internally inconsistent. The animation also does not match the csv data file from the Flight 77 FDR. If this animation really came from the NTSB, then it is hard evidence that somebody within the U.S. government is faking information regarding FL 77's flight path.

Another poster at a different forum also claims to have sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for this animation. However, there is no way to document if it really came from the NTSB. We just have to take his word for it.

This is where the request for help comes in.

I want to see how many people here will commit to sending their own FOIA request to the NTSB. If enough people are willing to do this, I will set up a link that will make it easy as filling out a form with your name and address, and the FOIA will be generated for you to print out and send to the NTSB. The goal is to get several people to independently verify what information the NTSB is sending out.

This will cost some time and money out of my own pocket to set up, but I will do this if there's enough interest. I want to set up the site to make it as easy as possible for people to make the FOIA request. This way you can also refer other people as well.

If it can be documented that the NTSB is sending out false information, this may be the first seam into actually exposing some sort of government complicity in a cover-up.

So all those who will commit to making an FOIA request please respond below. I will have the site up this week if enough people commit to this.

I'll send one in with you. I don't know how much help I can be once I'm back on the road, but I'll give it a shot.

You think multiple enquiries will make any difference to disclosure of completely high level compartmentalized information.
Dont waste your time.. this nitpicking on the minutest detail of 9/11 is imo a complete waste of time. Even if you get all the information you crave it will achieve nothing. FOI cannot be released if it could damage the security or affect calm.
9/11 was the fuse to bump start WW3 imo, ritual sacrifice.. nothing more, nothing less The problems of yesterday are gone, it is the now and tomorrow that needs our full attention.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
You think multiple enquiries will make any difference to disclosure of completely high level compartmentalized information.
Dont waste your time.. this nitpicking on the minutest detail of 9/11 is imo a complete waste of time. Even if you get all the information you crave it will achieve nothing. FOI cannot be released if it could damage the security or affect calm.
9/11 was the fuse to bump start WW3 imo, ritual sacrifice.. nothing more, nothing less The problems of yesterday are gone, it is the now and tomorrow that needs our full attention.

Does this mean I should put you down as a "no"?

Maybe you should actually look at what we're talking about here. The claim is that the NTSB actually has a video animation of FL 77's flight path that shows FL 77 missing the light poles and flying over the Pentagon. If this is true that this is what the NTSB has, then it's not "nitpicking on the minutest detail." It's evidence that the NTSB is either peddling disinfo or that the official story is seriously flawed.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
I'll send one in with you. I don't know how much help I can be once I'm back on the road, but I'll give it a shot.

As long as we get some independent verification, or non-verification of what the NTSB is sending out, we can resolve this whole issue. Either snowygrouch and others are fraudsters, or the NTSB is sending out fake data. I see no other way of figuring this out without doing FOIA requests that can be independently verified.

The official story is seriously flawed, the release of the truth to the public is highly dangerous and would be a danger to national security. The information will be disclosed in the future after certain other information has been released. Everyone knows there has been a cover up, do you think the powers that be dont know that anyone who looks can see through the facade.
Did the possibility ever cross your minds that the official story published was essential to protect the public from information that would of been a serious danger to national security?
Probably not, it is much easier to believe Dylan Avery. I doubt many would deny some form of cover up. The reasons for the cover up are not as sinister as people think imho.

[edit on 3-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

FP: Too dangerous AND nit-picking? What, are they afraid to slip their animation disproving the official story to US citizens? Possibly so, but no prob TWICE now handing that same danger to two foreigners who pass it on and seed it with American CTers ad now American "Skeptics." This is not nit-picking. These bugs is bigger than nits. And it shouldn't be that hard to get a bit closer to the truth.

Nick: I'll look into it. I plan to call and try to make contact with a person who can help rather than doing the ink thing exclusively. At worst I'll get dodginess and no answer, which at least is another clue. At best some info that will help us answer the mysteries.


I suspect some FOIA recipients will not be too happy with this.

FOIA recicipants will not care less. The information is undisclosable.
They will just say, heres another 9/11 anorak with too much time on his hands and then bin the request. You will get a standard reply and told nothing.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
The problems of yesterday are gone, it is the now and tomorrow that needs our full attention.

Wrong...the masses need to understand history before they can begin to comprehend the "now" and the "tomorrow"...

I will gladly waste the time of filling out any said form to facilitate pressure for the info to be resleased.

O'Reilly, over

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
I will gladly waste the time of filling out any said form to facilitate pressure for the info to be resleased.

O'Reilly, over

Just to clarify things, it's not a matter of pressuring the NTSB. Supposedly the NTSB already has provided this information to three different people. But there's the catch. It's the "supposedly" part.

If the falsified animation video is really coming from the NTSB it proves that the NTSB, or FBI, or somebody in the government has falsified the flight path. This would be a big deal if it can be documented by multiple people that the NTSB is passing out fake animation videos of FL 77's final approach to the Pentagon.

I sent an e-mail to Tully Construction, 1 of the big contruction companies that was at ground zero. I asked them some questions and they wrote back that they could not answer my questions due to 911 law suits.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I sent an e-mail to Tully Construction, 1 of the big contruction companies that was at ground zero. I asked them some questions and they wrote back that they could not answer my questions due to 911 law suits.

That's interesting. I'm guessing CDI isn't going to answer many requests either.

But this situation I'm referring to is different. Pilots for 9/11 Truth already claim that the NTSB is sending out a "smoking gun" animation that shows Flight 77 missing the light poles and flying too high to hit the Pentagon. If the NTSB is really sending out an animation that shows this, then either the official story is wrong, or somebody at the NTSB altered the FDR data and made a bogus video. Either way it would be big news.

I'm going to have the automatic FOIA request site set up later this week. All you'll need to do is enter your information and it will give you a pre-written FOIA request. You just print it out and mail it, and then wait for your video to arrive in the mail.

Are you in?

Originally posted by nick7261
Are you in?

Yes, i have seen the animation. I work for the government and have access to lots of information, government FOIA forms, and records.

I can not find any FBI and NTSB crime scene reports on any of the crime scenes from 911.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by nick7261
Are you in?

Yes, i have seen the animation. I work for the government and have access to lots of information, government FOIA forms, and records.

I can not find any FBI and NTSB crime scene reports on any of the crime scenes from 911.

Do you have any way to fast-track the process of getting FOIA requests responded to by the NTSB? The first step is figuring out if the animation that's been posted as having come from the NTSB is legitimately from the NTSB.

Originally posted by nick7261
Do you have any way to fast-track the process of getting FOIA requests responded to by the NTSB?

I will see what i can do.

You do not have to send a printed letter to the NTSB. You can request the animation through their site directly...

www.ntsb.gov...

Click that link.. Click FOIA Request. Fill out your information and ask for AA77 Animation. You're done.. free of charge.

I have supplied this link in various threads to Nick and CL many times. No idea why they still do not know it exisits. (well.. i do.. but im being polite).

Rob

Who wants to help? John Doe X!

Originally posted by johndoex
You do not have to send a printed letter to the NTSB. You can request the animation through their site directly [...] Fill out your information and ask for AA77 Animation. You're done.. free of charge.

Thanks actually. For the link and being polite.

Nick: sorry I didn't say more here or even flag the thread until now. Oops. I've been distracted with reconciling myself to the fact that I'm gonna do this. I'm looking at all link, mail, and phone possibilities, getting informed, and getting the first call anyway out of the way tomorrow or maybe Wednesday if I don't feel ready.

I hope to have audio and eventually documents and stuff.

I suggest also this thread be the repository for any new FOIA stuff we find.

www.ntsb.gov...

Regarding the link JDX provided, that seems to allow an FOIA request online, I'm not sure. Elewhere on the NTSB site it says "FOIA requests must be in writing, and may be submitted via the form below, via fax to (202) 314-6132, or via postal mail"

Elewhere JDX also offered their phone number -

you can call 202-314-6000 as we have done asking questions based on their provided data which does not support the govt story

I understand they've had no luck there, so I looked at the website. That number is for NTSB Headquarters, which is noted "Before calling the main number, please review the list below for specific offices and contact information."

So for anyone who's calling or writing, the relevant departments might be, depending:

- Records Management Division
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(800) 877-6799 or (202) 314-6551
("Serves as contact point for public inquiries, providing public docket material such as preliminary and final accident reports, aviation accident database research," etc)

- - Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Staff
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6540 or (800) 877-6799
(Provides access to information not already publicly available (with certain exemptions).

- - - Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6100
(Provides press releases, speeches, post-meeting abstracts, and point-of-contact liaisons for news media representatives. See the website for News & Events and Resources for Journalists.)

Hope this helps anyone narrow it down. I think I"m going the third route seeings how I am a blogger and so a type of journalist. Gonna get me a liaison since I have many Qs.

Well on the one hand I reccommend not inundating the guys, ont the other hand I haven't had any luck yet. Hold on lemme check my e-mail...
No nothing new.

First I tried the PA dept to see if someone could help me answer numerous small Qs, but accidentally cut to the top and talked to the Office deirector Ted Lopatkiewicz. He gave me his e-mail and I requested assistance, got a re-buff. Not sure I'm supposed to re-post these but briefy his answer for refusal was it was that "Any interpretation or explanation of those data would have to be rendered by the FBI."

Mildly interesting, he said

"Among the assistance we provided were identification of aircraft parts and read-outs of flight recorders recovered from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania sites (we understand no recorders were recovered from Ground Zero)."

Anyway, so my special little plan to get inside help assembling the puzzle came to naught. I'll just have to settle for ordering the pieces, waiting, and figuring out what I can on my own.

I guess the form JDX provided is the route. I filled it out requesting these items:

1) any and all animations/reconstructions of the FDR data from Flight 77
- a working copy that others have received, including a erroneously-labeled time stamp. (this is available online for visual reference)
- If possible any other animations, like the one presented by the 9/11 Commission in a mid-2004 presentation, aired on C-Span, but for which I can find no information. If this was NTSB-produced and is releasable it would be very useful.

2) electronic attachments listed for the Specialist's Factual report (doc ID DCA01MAO64)
- DCA01MAO64_tabular.csv
- D226A101-3G.pdf
- 757-3b_1.txt

3) Other files:
- AAL77_tabular.csv (if different from CSV listed above)
- Original L3 compressed raw AA77 FDR file

Then I wait.