Police Clash with Protesters in L.A.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Are we talking about modern days or how white men build this great nation? What comes around goes around...

No, we're talking about here and now, not how HIV came from African green monkeys or how the bubonic plague was spread by rats to the Philistines, or anything else in the past...

Maybe he was just refering to the number of people killed through diseases brought overseas by american discoverers, settlers.. etc.

But it's only a guess.. i really don't know! Maybe he was really talking about rats and aids-monkeys.

The LAPD Chief of Police has taken action against 60 elite officers for their unnecessary use of force during this protest.

The Chief of Police said:
"I'm not going to defend the indefensible"
"Things were done that shouldn't have been done."
"I was disturbed at what I saw"

I am glad the Chief of Police has set this precedent. It means baton crazy cops will think twice before violating someone’s civil rights in the future. Imagine the precedent if the Chief had taken no action!

Sources and links:
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Was this police action against protesters out of line? Yes. I said so when I started this thread and now the LAPD Chief of Police has my back.
CASE CLOSED!

The police chief may be sincere, but the fact that he wants to run for the office of Mayor of LA makes me a bit skeptical. He'll say anything to sound politically correct.

PsykoOps, "Are we talking about modern days or how white men build this great nation? What comes around goes around..."
****What a self-hating PC schill you are So you are welcoming these semii-savage invaders who are destroying everything our ancestors worked so hard to build. They will and are doing to the US, exactly as they have done to their own country.
"A rise in diseases such as whooping cough, tuberculosis, malaria, measles and even leprosy are creating public health concerns and could hit hospitals and health care systems already financially burdened by indigent illegals flooding emergency rooms and urgent care centers. "
Go here for the rest of the article:
Immigrated Diseases

bartholomeo, you are right, the police beating people wont's stop immigratation; but killing them would surely impresss them, don't you thing?

As to the subject of the thread, I don't think you can separate the police brutality from the immigration issue here. Police brutality in general is a subject all by itself.

Originally posted by jsobecky
The police chief may be sincere, but the fact that he wants to run for the office of Mayor of LA makes me a bit skeptical. He'll say anything to sound politically correct.

very good point. It could be politically motivated..

Originally posted by souls
Frank Black,

The issue is not illegal immigration here. The issue is the force used by the police. Please, deny your ignorance.

You keep telling people to deny ignorance yet you should be the first one to do so.

Even in that video given in the original thread it says that most protesters had left while a few thousand stayed behind and started throwing rocks and bottles at the police, at which moment the police was mobilized and started using rubber bullets and batons to stop the violence from escalating. In that same report it is said more police officers were injured than protesters.

While probably as the day passed some officers misused their power, it all started because protesters were attacking the police, and those people that kept their children with them were probably using them as Marg says... There are people who are like that...

Originally posted by souls
Nice videos, what happened to the third one? Are those all original, or have they been edited in some way? There is a lot of truth displayed on those posters, too bad I don't have any sound on this computer. Although, the reduction to the level of the opposing side by the protesters does not sit well with me, I'm pretty sure some thing must have sparked their outrage.

Even the incas took lands from other people who lived in Mexico before them...

The whole history of countries and cities of the world are traced to wars by which the winner took over lands. It did not start with Christopher Colombus coming to America... Perhaps a good example would be if you watched Mel Gibson's movie "Apocalypso". The native Americans were the same, they had many different tribes and there were tribes which were brutal assasins which took land, slaves and just killed for the pleasure of killing other tribes of native Americans.

Are we going to start to give out all the land to the ancient people they were taken from? Then almost noone will be living where they live now, most people would have to leave most of the major cities and most areas around the world...

Anyways, what was seen in those two last videos is a big problem in the U.S. Notice that "A.N.W.S.E.R. international" was seen in some of the signs some of the people had. A.N.W.S.E.R. international alongside some other organizations were funded by the Communist organization "Workers World Party". You can also see people in red, with red flags, and red stars, and even a picture of Che Guevara, who was actually an executioner of castro.

So, a lot of those people seen in those videos are just Communists that are using any and every protest to further their own agendas.

This is a big problem, and this is going to continue and even increase because there are a lot of people who don't see what's the real agenda behind many of these demonstrations, and many people are being lured with false pretenses.

i am not saying that there are no police officers that abuse their power, because there are, but most police officers do not abuse their power, and this is a real bad example since the protesters resorted to throwing rocks and bottles at the police, and more police officers were injured than protesters, which shows the protesters started the conflict.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by Muaddib]

Oh my god a picture of Che Guevara, Muaddib. We should really be very cautious... the communists are coming again!!

I dont know what Mayan history or immigration paranoia has to do with the topic of police violence. If you happen to look at un-peaceful protests.. very often the police asks the people to leave the streets. Then they ask the people to leave the sidewalks. Afterwards they ask them to leave the park, and finally they chase them all the way home.

That's nothing else than intimidation, fear-mongering, and supressing freedom of speech.

While Right-Radical, Racist groups are getting permits to protest against ridiculous things like an "Indian Arts Exposition".

I really doubt that more officers than protestants were injured. You should not blindly believe the mass media. They always report for their own cause.

Look at how protesters are organized. Yeah maybe when intimidated by the police, they throw rocks and bottles. Or sometimes they uselessly push some rolling Waste-Container into their direction. But in general, they come for a peaceful protest. They are not planning any tactics, or lethal strategies.
Their agressive actions are mostly ridiculous, and in-efficient.
No threat for the police at all.

Whereas the police has all the necessary tools to kill someone. And they have the equipment, which makes bottles and rocks, a joke.
They have full control. They are absolutely dominating, no matter what minimal number of non-peaceful protestors might try to engage them.

The party in full control decides whether the protest ends violently, or peacefully. How could it be different? If they decide to harass and intimidate people, naturally the protest is FORCED to become violent.

To no sane, regular civilian would it occur to face the risk of attacking fully armed police units without a reason. Unless the citizen has been provoqued or intimidated.

Anyone who really states that the childish bottle-throwers are the party in control, furthermore those who cause a peaceful protest, to turn into a riot.

Is a JOKER.



[edit on 7-5-2007 by osram]

Originally posted by Muaddib
While probably as the day passed some officers misused their power, it all started because protesters were attacking the police, and those people that kept their children with them were probably using them as Marg says... There are people who are like that...

[edit on 7-5-2007 by Muaddib]

This kind of sound like "it's ok because they started it". It's the police, altought they're just humans they're supposed to be trained to keep their professionalism under pressure.

Originally posted by OhZone
PsykoOps, "Are we talking about modern days or how white men build this great nation? What comes around goes around..."
****What a self-hating PC schill you are So you are welcoming these semii-savage invaders who are destroying everything our ancestors worked so hard to build. They will and are doing to the US, exactly as they have done to their own country.

I'm not american so I cant really be welcoming them. We have our own immigration issues in Finland too, this is a global problem and the only way it'll stop is if the poverty striken countries are healed and people no longer see reason to migrate to wealthier environments.
And with that sarcastic quote I meant to say that I'm not surprised at all about the situation in US. The whole country was born and formed on the idea that anyone can have a shot at a decent life there. Most of the people who build US weren't educated or rich and the same might apply still today. Many of them migrated legally, but if you'd view them in the light of the new laws and regulations none of them would be allowed to move in.

Originally posted by osram
Oh my god a picture of Che Guevara, Muaddib. We should really be very cautious... the communists are coming again!!

Che Guevara is not the "romanticized figure" some believe him to have been... Che Guevara was one of castro's executioners in Cuba, even thou he studied to be a doctor. He would put the entire family in front of the house, and execute in front of everyone whoever had spoken against castro or against the "revolution". Perhaps you would have known that if you were born on the island, but instead this murderer has been publicized and sold as a "fighter for the people"...

Originally posted by osram
I dont know what Mayan history or immigration paranoia has to do with the topic of police violence.

If you would have actually taken the time to read the other responses in this thread, then you would have seen why I said that in my post....

Originally posted by osram
..............
Anyone who really states that the childish bottle-throwers are the party in control, furthermore those who cause a peaceful protest, to turn into a riot.

Is a JOKER.

Anyone who claims that "the police made the poor rioters to throw bottles, rocks and other items at the police" is delluded, and just trying to find an excuse to dismiss the fact that the "rioters" were the ones who became violent, and the police is trained to stop violence from escalating...

So the Joker claim is on you osram...

[edit on 7-5-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by PsykoOps

This kind of sound like "it's ok because they started it". It's the police, altought they're just humans they're supposed to be trained to keep their professionalism under pressure.

The police is trained to stop violence from escalating, and people who are throwing rocks, and bottles at the police are way beyond listening and/or stopping their violent behavior because of a conversation with a police officer.



[edit on 7-5-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by PsykoOps

This kind of sound like "it's ok because they started it". It's the police, altought they're just humans they're supposed to be trained to keep their professionalism under pressure.

The police is trained to stop violence from escalating, and people who are throwing rocks, and bottles at the police are way beyond listening and/or stopping their violent behavior because of a conversation with a police officer.

Therein lies the problem, the police wasn't stopping the violence from escalating very well when they started to target innocent bystanders and the media.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Che Guevara is not the "romanticized figure" some believe him to have been... Che Guevara was one of castro's executioners in Cuba, even thou he studied to be a doctor. He would put the entire family in front of the house, and execute in front of everyone whoever had spoken against castro or against the "revolution". Perhaps you would have known that if you were born on the island, but instead this murderer has been publicized and sold as a "fighter for the people"...

I don't care much about Che. I'm not one of those who see Che Guevara as some kind of messiah or whatever.
I was just stating that your excerpt about "communists" or Che-Banners reminded me of fear-mongering.

If you would have actually taken the time to read the other responses in this thread, then you would have seen why I said that in my post....

I think I've read the responses.. and I take my time. I simply don't see how your elaborations about immigration have anything relevant.
The topic of the demonstration, and the people who are participating.. are completely irrelevant.
I would be posting here no matter what type of demonstration it was.
As long as we can see another example of police brutality.

Anyone who claims that "the police made the poor rioters to throw bottles, rocks and other items at the police" is delluded, and just trying to find an excuse to dismiss the fact that the "rioters" were the ones who became violent, and the police is trained to stop violence from escalating...

So the Joker claim is on you osram...

Calm down, mate. After all calling someone a Joker isn't very offensive.
No need to insult me here.

I never said that the police forced rioters to throw bottles or anything.
And "stopping violence from escalating" does not include inflicting pain upon non-violent groups or individuals.
I am only saying that the police probably didn't do their best job at preventing violence. And in so many demonstrations the last few years it became clear that the police uses massive amounts of violence and intimidation. Even with very peaceful demonstrations. Even without signs of violence against the police.

I say, they are in full control. The police has most of the influence on how a demonstration ends.

There's nothing you can say, to deny that piece of information.

Here a nice excerpt from another thread taken out of one of your discussions with pepsi78;

BTW, my guess is that pepsi78 has no idea of the riots they have been having in Europe as immigrants have been resorting to violence in several European countries because they say the socialist systems of Europe are oppresing them...

Seems like you are a Bush-supporter. (Or am I wrong?)
Seems as to you every immigrant resorts to violent protests.
Seems as to you every protest is about immigration.
Socialist Systems? Where?

Have you ever seen the videos from the G8 protests in Genoa?
Have you ever seen some of the numerous protest videos containing unprovoqued police brutality?
No matter what kind of protest; Anti-War, Peace, G8, Immigration-Law.. or spontaneous protests out of desperation. (Like in France, for instance.)

Not every protest is held by immigrating people. Not even at an immigration protest, you will find 100% immigrating people.

You are welcome to click on my name and take a look at my own threads about police violence. If you still don't believe that unnecessary police brutality at demonstrations is absolutely common, I can also forward you to a couple of clips. Might also want to check on Youtube yourself. It's pretty easy, you just need to enter the following Terms: "Police Brutality", "Police Violence"... "G8 Genoa 2001", "Police Violence Demonstration", etc.

Instead of stating over and over again, how the police is only doing their job.
Pretending that this problem did not occur, or exist at all.

I believe PsykoOps sums it up pretty well.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by PsykoOps

This kind of sound like "it's ok because they started it". It's the police, altought they're just humans they're supposed to be trained to keep their professionalism under pressure.

The police is trained to stop violence from escalating, and people who are throwing rocks, and bottles at the police are way beyond listening and/or stopping their violent behavior because of a conversation with a police officer.

Therein lies the problem, the police wasn't stopping the violence from escalating very well when they started to target innocent bystanders and the media.

By the way. I think that kind of police which can be seen on protests. Is not very interested in having conversations.




[edit on 7-5-2007 by osram]

[edit on 7-5-2007 by osram]

The first Civil War started because there was a general consensus of southern states to disregard federal laws that protected human beings from bondage. The northern states only made the situation more divisive by becoming slave sanctuaries for fleeing slaves. Today, there are cities that have openly declared themselves "Illegal Alien" sanctuaries, a divisive issue that has angered many Americans, cities and/or states if they happen to catch glimpses of the issue in the press. Kicking out humans that long to live like we do will only divide our nation. Many of the protesters and believe it or not even some of the troublemakers in this first clash were American citizens. Looks like we are headed towards another internal clash. I think Mr. Titor was right, human beings are biologically geared toward destruction.

Even the incas took lands from other people who lived in Mexico before them...

The whole history of countries and cities of the world are traced to wars by which the winner took over lands. It did not start with Christopher Colombus coming to America... Perhaps a good example would be if you watched Mel Gibson's movie "Apocalypso". The native Americans were the same, they had many different tribes and there were tribes which were brutal assasins which took land, slaves and just killed for the pleasure of killing other tribes of native Americans.

You can't seriously be taking a Mel Gibson movie as fact, can you? Read the Conquest of Peru for more factual data on the events.

And btw way, you have your natives mixed up - Inca tribes - South America, namely Ecuador and Peru. Mexico and Guatemala was Mayan and Aztec after that.


[edit on 9-5-2007 by nikelbee]

The LAPD did a fine job on this one. People were throwing rocks, bottles, and other items. The force was neccessary th thwart a very volatile and hostile situation. What were they supposed to do just sit back and do nothing. For those that believe they used excessive force the next time you see a cop throw a rock or bottle at him and see what happens.

Originally posted by wonderfulheadhunter
The LAPD did a fine job on this one. People were throwing rocks, bottles, and other items. The force was neccessary th thwart a very volatile and hostile situation. What were they supposed to do just sit back and do nothing. For those that believe they used excessive force the next time you see a cop throw a rock or bottle at him and see what happens.

I usually dont respond to trolls, but here goes anyway. At what point did the media peope throw rocks and bottles? What about the guy who was standing next to the event tent with his back turned at the police? I guess he must have a quite a swing arm to throw stuff at police who are behind him. Not to mention the acrobatics needed for the camera people to hold a heavy tv-camera and throw stuff at the same time...
Ok, now I sound like troll too...

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