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atheism: an irrational and illogical religion

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posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 06:17 PM
this guy makes some sense. and this is coming from an athiest link

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 07:42 PM

The irony here is that most atheist try to intimidate Christians by implying their logic is more rational than the Christians while Christianity is actually one of only two logical and rational belief systems and atheism is completely irrational and illogical.


I hope im not the only one who finds something wrong with this statement.


posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 07:46 PM
it has flaws, but the idea makes sense

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 07:47 PM
This coming from someone who also wrote these articles.

Is Islam a Religion of Peace?

What the Koran says

Immediately following 9/11, to keep people from victimizing Muslims, the government and media began telling us that the attack did not represent all Muslims. I agree with this attitude that people should not just go out attacking people who may not have had anything to do with the attack.

But the US Muslims took advantage of this to sell the US people on Islam telling us that the Koran says it is not good to kill. They quickly began telling us that Islam was really a religion of love and caring.

Were they telling us the truth? The answer is yes and no. Yes, the Koran does say in a number of places that it is not good to kill but that is not the complete verse. The complete verse is "and that you shall not kill - for that is forbidden by Allah - except for a just cause." This basic verse is found three times in the Koran.

This deception brings up several questions. First, why would they deceive us and not quote the entire verse and, second, what is a just cause according to the Koran? I found that both questions will be answered by the same verses. It is important to remember here that a number of the Muslim leaders who called themselves liberals or moderates and said Islam is a religion of peace have been discovered to have given public speeches encouraging Muslims to wage war against and kill the enemy (us.) Their excuse for these speeches is that they really meant the war as being a religious war of evangelizing. So keep this excuse for teaching people to wage war in mind as we explore this question.

Let's start with verse 4:74 - "Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of Allah; whoever fights for the cause of Allah, whether he dies or triumphs, on him We shall bestow a rich recompense." I know that evangelists do die in the field but I have not seen too many who go into the field expecting to die. But we will continue.

Let's try verse 9:111 - "Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, they will slay, and be slain." Oops, I have never known any evangelist who went out slaying or killing those to whom they were evangelizing. I believe that this proves beyond any doubt that the war Muhammad keeps talking about in the Koran has to do with actual warfare and killing. So keep in mind that these Muslim leaders were lying to you, the Muslims in the Middle East including Osama Bin Ladden are not lying to you, and that the US Muslims who have said Islam is a religion of peace have no credibility.

But we are not going to let just one verse out of the Koran decide this issue for us. I will give you a few more verses and then we need to cover other aspects for you to properly understand the aggressiveness and ruthless mentality of Islam. You need to know that there are many more like these verses that are just as telling.

Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

It should be clear that this verse commands Muslims to wage war on all non-Muslims around them. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Verse 47:3 - "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."

That is what I call a harsh religion. You are supposed to strike off the heads of those to whom you evangelize?

Verse 48:29 - "Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."

Verse 66:9 - "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate."

I think you would have to be an idiot to not be able to see the hostile nature and commands for the Muslims. It is clear with just these verses that the war they are commanded to wage on all non-Muslims is not evangelizing. They are commanded to fight to kill all non-Muslims including atheists, secularists, humanists, evolutionists, and all other religions but you will find that the Koran places special emphasis on killing off Jews and Christians. This is probably because of the rejection the Jews and Christians gave Muhammad. Keep in mind that I could easily have given you at least another 20 to 30 verses which are just as telling.

But don't take my word about who the unbelievers are, take the word of Muhammad. I want you to notice that he placed special emphasis on Jews and Christians (People of the Book.) We will start with verse 5:17 - "Unbelievers are those who declare: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'" Oops, I bet some of you blindly believed the Muslims who have been going around speaking at Christian churches saying they worship the same God we do (we already proved that to not be true), they also believe in "The Same Jesus" and even believe in Him more than we do, and that Islam and Christianity are the same religions. You should have read the Koran instead of letting the liars spoon feed you. Always remember this, it is considered a good deed for Muslims to successfully lie to their enemy. Then they go home, call you suckers, and laugh at you for being fools.

But, hey, lets not put everything on one obvious verse. Let's look at at least a few obvious verses like verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another." Oops, strike two. How many more verses will it take for you to realize the US Muslims are lying to you and the Middle Eastern Muslims, including Osama Bin Ladden, are telling you the truth. I despise Osama for what he does but have to respect him for being honest, unlike the liars who have mislead many in this nation.

Verse 5:59 - "Say: 'People of the Book, is it not that you hate us only because we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was formerly revealed, and because most of you are evil-doers?' Say: 'Shall I tell you who will receive a worse reward from Allah? Those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He has been angry, transforming them into apes and swine, and those who serve the devil." And those are the only ones who will receive a worse reward than the Jews and Christians. Doesn't sound to me like we all have the same religion and worship the same God. Why would my God, whom I worship do that to me for worshiping Him?

I'll give you doubting Christians who would rather believe a lying Muslim than another Christian two more examples and then we must move on. Try verse 5:72 - "Unbelievers are those that say:'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." and then verse 5:73 - "Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.'"

This is probably the best verse about who the unbelievers are which includes all non-Muslims. This is actually an entire chapter titled "The Unbelievers" and includes verses 109:1-6 - "Say: 'Unbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.'"

Didn't we just see them identify Christians and Jews as unbelievers and aren't these the same people who convinced even the Pope that we worship the same God and have the same religion? These people are not liars. They are fantastic liars. Probably the best in the history of the world. They should get an academy award for acting.

Let me leave this topic with one more interesting little verse. Verse 4:101 - "The unbelievers are your inveterate foe." If you are not a Muslim, you wont get any sleep tonight.

Next, I want you to notice what is required to be a believer or Muslim. Verse 49:15 makes this very clear. "The true believers are those that have faith in Allah and His apostle, and never doubt; and who fight with their wealth and with their persons in the cause of Allah. Such are those whose faith is true." Please note the requirement to fight in order to be a Muslim. Muhammad makes it very clear that any one who claims to be a Muslim and refuses to fight and kill the unbelievers is not a Muslim and is branded by Muhammad as a hypocrite. Muhammad also requires all Muslims to search out and kill all hypocrites. Muhammad hated hypocrites even worse than he did Jews and Christians. Hypocrites are the worst enemy of Islam and are considered traitors. According to Muhammad, you cannot be a liberal or moderate Muslim. There are only orthodox Muslims and hypocrites. In the Koran, there are only three groups of people. These are Muslims, hypocrites, and non-Muslims.

In the Koran, Muhammad made the rift between Muslims and the rest of us so wide that they are not even permitted to be your friends. I will share three verses to show this. (For everything I show you, there are many more verses. I just don't feel like rewriting the Koran.) Verse 3:117 - "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people." Verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."Verse 60:13 - "Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah." If you are not a Muslim and you think you have a Muslim friend, you better read the Koran. According to the Koran, they are either pretending or sinning.

Please notice that the wars the Muslims are waging around the world are not just against the Christians and Jews. Several good examples of this are that the Muslims ran EVERY religion other than Islam out of Afgahnastan and are currently fighting both Hindu's and Buddhists in India. They hate EVERYONE who is not a Muslim. Yes, they put special emphasis on Christians and Jews but their war is against the ENTIRE non-Muslim world including atheists and evolutionists.

The Islamic Plan of Salvation
In this section, we are going to discuss the Islamic plan of salvation according to the Koran and other rewards systems. This will reveal the most sinister side of Islam and explain a lot about Muslims that is currently baffling the US people and media. This part of the religion gets very ugly and is guaranteed to scare the hell out of you, if you have any left at this point.

In Christianity and Judaism, we have a guaranteed plan of salvation. If we believe in the Messiah for our salvation, we are guaranteed a trip to Heaven. The difference between the Christians and most Jews is that most Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet and the Christians and Messianic Jews recognize Jesus as that Messiah. Increasing numbers of Christians and Jews are beginning to realize that what we call Christianity and Judaism are actually two different sects of the same religion. The Muslims knew it 1,300 years ago.

In the Koran, I could find only one guaranteed plan of salvation. Their salvation is based entirely on good works. With the exception of one good work, you can do all the good works in the world and you will still have to wait for the judgment to see if Allah will permit you entry into Heaven. That one good work which will guarantee you salvation is to die while at least attempting to kill non-Muslims. This good work is the greatest work of Islam and is so good that you can live a completely sinful life and still get to Heaven if you die fighting non-Muslims. This is critical to understand Muslim terrorists.

Again, let me start by sharing a few verses with you. Verse 47:5 - "As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them."

Note that no other conditions are required. If you die fighting, you go to Heaven, period.

Verse 48:16 - "Say to the desert Arabs who stayed behind: 'You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they embrace Islam. If you prove obedient, Allah will reward you well. But if you run away, as you have done before this, He will inflict on you a stern chastisement.' It shall be no offense for the blind, the lame, and the sick to stay behind. He that obeys Allah and His apostle shall be admitted to gardens watered by running streams; but he that turns and flees shall be sternly punished by Him."

If you have been paying attention to what I have been showing you up to now and start putting things together, you can easily understand the previously confusing actions of the Muslim world. First, being killed while trying to kill non-Muslims being the only guaranteed plan of salvation explains the Muslim eagerness to die fighting against any non-Muslims. When a Muslim comes at you to kill you and you kill him or her, you are doing them a favor because, according to the Koran, you are sending them to Heaven.

Muhammad was brilliant in setting this up. The Muslim can't lose by waging war against you and killing you. Either he will kill you, take all you have, and rule the world or you will kill him and send him to Heaven the only way he can be guaranteed to get to Heaven. This is why the Muslims are lining up to die in the wars they have started around the world and keep starting more wars.

This and some of the other things I have shown you explain other actions since 9/11. First, there was an interview with the widow of one of the terrorists who died crashing the planes on 9/11. She told how her husband had come home from a Muslim mosque, told her he had to go do some terrorist activity, they stayed up all night praying and crying, and he went off to help crash an airplane.

Remember what I showed you about the absolute power Muhammad gave to all Muslim leaders or apostles? If any Muslim leader tells you that you have to do something, you have to do it or you will burn in Hell. But it is more complex than that.

Let's say I am a Muslim leader and you are just any regular Muslim. If I come to you and tell you that Allah has made it known to me that you are to fly a plane full of people into a building full of people and you do, you will go to Heaven. If you don't, you will go to Hell, BUT you will also be a hypocrite and I will either be required to kill you or send someone else to kill you as commanded by Muhammad in the Koran. You see, if I give you any command to die fighting for Allah, I just gave you a death sentence. You will either die fighting for Allah and go to Heaven or I will kill you and you will go to Hell. Either way you are going to die.

Watch and you will notice that these people head off to do their nasty deeds right after visiting a Muslim mosque. Walker went to Afgahnastan to fight for Alcaida after visiting a mosque in Washington. The young man, Bishop, flew his single engine plane into the building hours after visiting a mosque.

Another behavior the media and our government can't seem to figure out was how many of the terrorists who crashed the planes behaved the weeks before their attack on the US. They were drinking (alcohol), partying, and whoring around for the last few weeks before their attack. This behavior baffled the US experts because this was against Islamic law. Remember what I just showed you about the ultimate good work being getting killed fighting for Allah. If they knew they would die, they could party like mad without fear of going to hell knowing they would go to Heaven. They were having a great time before they went to Heaven.

This is important because, if you see any Muslims drinking and whoring around, they are probably getting ready to die fighting for Allah. If they were not, they would be risking going to Hell for their behavior.

Years ago, I read about a British officer (it was so long ago I don't remember his name or rank) who was fighting a group of Muslim guerrillas in the early to mid 20th Century. He did what I just finished doing, he studied his enemy under the oldest and most ignored rule of combat, know your enemy. He studied Islam and found a flaw in their belief system which he managed to use to defeat the Muslims.

The Muslims believe that, if their body becomes contaminated with any part of a pig such as its skin, meat, blood, urine, or even pig grease from cooking the pig, they cannot go to Heaven and will spend eternity in Hell. This law applies to them even after they are dead and even if they were killed fighting and killing non-Muslims. You see, according to Islam, if you were to pour pig grease on any part of the remains of a dead terrorist who just blew himself up killing non-Muslims, he would not be permitted into Heaven and would spend eternity in Hell.

Using this knowledge, the British officer had his men dip all their bullets in pig grease AND made it public knowledge. The Muslims quickly quit fighting and went home. This is because they could not only not get into Heaven if they were killed fighting this British unit but would be sent to Hell if they were killed fighting this British unit. Ingeniously, the British officer removed their motivation to die fighting the British and replaced it with a motivation to stop fighting the British.

If the Israeli's would contaminate all their munitions with pig grease including bombs, bullets, missiles, and artillery shells and adopt the policy that they would pour pig grease on the remains of any suicide terrorist AND make it public knowledge, the fighting in Israel would stop within 24 hours. If the US would do the same thing in Afgahnastan and bomb the tops of the mountains where the terrorists are holding out with balloons filled with pig blood, the Muslims would surrender before the first balloon fell. That war would end quickly also.

If not, these wars will keep escalating as long as there are Muslims to line up to die fighting for Allah. That will be a long time because there are over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and it is growing. The real irony here is that we are using billions of dollars in high technology weapon systems to defeat these terrorists and they just keep lining up for us to send them to Heaven when all we really need to stop the killing is a little pig grease.

Now let's look at some of the other motivational systems built into Islam. First, lets look at why the one terrorist wept all night before leaving his family to die fighting for Allah. Obviously, he loved his wife dearly. Muhammad obviously had trouble getting men to leave their families to die fighting for Allah and took care of that in the Koran also.

Verse 8:27 - "Believers, do not betray Allah and the Apostle, nor knowingly betray your trust. Know that your worldly goods and your children are but a temptation, and that Allah's recompense is great."

Not only is it an act of treason to not leave your family to die for Allah, but your family are just a temptation. Boy, that is really a kind, caring, and loving religion. Can you imagine what it would be like to be nothing more to your parents than a temptation? That wouldn't do too much for your feeling of self worth.

Let's try a few more of these wonderful verses. Verse 11:15 - "Those that desire the life of this world with all its finery shall be rewarded for their deeds in their own lifetime: they shall not be given less. They are those who in the world to come shall have earned nothing but the Fire."

Verse 18:46 - "Wealth and children are the ornament of this life."

Verse 29:64 - "The life of this world is but a sport and a diversion. It is the life to come that is the true life." Hey, we are moving up in the world. We went from a temptation to a sport and a diversion.

Another motivating factor for going to war in the time of Muhammad was the spoils of war. The Koran even has a chapter titled "The Spoils" where Muhammad addressed the issues related to looting. The most important thing is what it shows about Muhammad.

Let's start out with a few verses. Verse 8:41 - "Know that one-fifth of your spoils shall belong to Allah, the Apostle, the Apostle's kinsfolk, the orphans, the destitute, and the traveler in need."

It really doesn't sound like much until you do the math. Let's say that Muhammad had just 1,000 soldiers, they sacked a town, and each soldier averaged taking $10,000 worth of loot. Each soldier would get $8,000 for risking his life and possibly being wounded or crippled for life. (I assume the family members of the dead would get their share.) But Muhammad would get $2,000 from each of his soldiers or $2,000,000 for his take. Islam made Muhammad a very wealthy and powerful man. But this wasn't enough for Muhammad because he wrote another law which gave him more liberties with the loot.

Verse 59:7 - "The spoils taken from the town-dwellers and assigned by Allah to His apostle shall belong to Allah, to the Apostle and his kinsfolk, to orphans, to the destitute and to the traveler in need; they shall not become the property of the rich among you. Whatever the Apostle gives you, accept it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it." I bet there will be those who will believe the spoils were taken after the people we evangelized to death.

As if this wasn't enough, Muhammad required that his followers pay him every time they visited or discussed things with him. Verse 58:12 - "Believers, when you confer with the Apostle, give alms before such conference. That is best and most righteous for you." It doesn't take too much to figure out why his followers were getting upset at him.

There is one final topic I need to cover on this page. It has to do with signing treaties with Muslims. This is a very serious thing and is the cause of Israel's current problems. You have to understand that IT IS A SIN for a Muslim to sign a peace treaty with a non-Muslim UNLESS he is doing it to keep peace with the non-Muslim so he can build his army strong enough to attack and defeat the non-Muslim. The only way a Muslim can be resolved of the sin for having signed the treaty is to attack the party with which he signed that treaty AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. The Muslim is even permitted to break that treaty to gain the element of surprise.

As I have shown, we are all the enemies of the Muslims but when you sign a peace treaty with a Muslim, two things happen. First, you are elevated to the top of his kill list. Second, an element of time and urgency is added to his war against you. You see, without the treaty, he can take his time to defeat you. He and his offspring can even take generations or hundreds of years. But as soon as you sign that treaty, destroying you becomes an urgent matter.

The fact that certain Israeli leaders signed the Oslo Peace Accord with the Palestinians is the cause of the constantly escalating war with Israel. Arafat cannot have peace again with Israel because of Islamic law. Once that peace accord was signed, he had to engage Israel in mortal combat as soon as possible. He must now either destroy Israel or die trying. If he does not or signs another peace treaty with Israel, he will be branded a hypocrite and killed by his own people the way the president of Egypt was years ago for the same reason and for the same reason the Palestinians in Jordan tried to overthrow King Hussein when he signed the treaty with Israel.

According to Islamic law and tradition, the reason Arafat signed that peace accord could only be to build his army without being attacked by Israel. As soon as his army had a reasonable strength, he was required to engage Israel in a final mortal battle that can only end with the total destruction of one of them.

I bet little light bulbs are turning on in your heads because you are finally understanding what is really going on in this world and why. The worst thing any non-Muslim can do is sign a peace treaty with a Muslim because it forces that Muslim to kill you as soon as possible. In signing a peace treaty, you become their worst enemy.

It is a terrible sin for a Muslim to sign a peace treaty with a non-Muslim.



Just in case you have not yet figured out who and what Muhammad and his glorious band of Muslim followers were, let me explain. (If you don't believe this, go to your local library and check it out.) They started out as a small band of outlaws known as bandits who raided small caravans, killing, stealing, raping, robbing, and enslaving survivors. All female slaves were used for sex slaves or what we would call being raped. As their gang grew in size, they began raiding villages and towns and eventually worked up to pillaging large cities like Mecca and Baghdad and then even countries. Under the subsequent Caliphs, they pillaged all of the Middle East, Africa, Southern Europe, and other parts of Asia. At least some of today's mosques were former churches and synagogues they took from hard working people whom they murdered and robbed. They were land pirates on camels, the Barbary Pirates of the dessert, if you will.

Part of the reason Muhammad invented Islam was to give religious justification to their crimes. They made all their great wealth by murdering, robbing, and enslaving hard working people. You will not find one verse in the Koran which says you will not steal, rape, or lie. You will also not find one verse in the Koran that says you will love Allah, love your neighbor, will not bear false witness, or not covet your neighbor's house. They made their living coveting their neighbor's house and then killing to get it. Remember that they had a chapter in the Koran titled "The Spoils" where they discussed how to split up their stolen loot. Conversion to Islam meant joining their band of pirates and becoming a criminal under religious pretense. They even stoled their religion and god from other people.

Even today in countries like Northern Suddan, they still make great wealth by raiding the Christian farmers in the south of Suddan, killing, robbing, raping, and enslaving hard working people. They are getting away with it by justifying it in the name of religion, Islam and Allah. Their codes and ethics in the Koran are almost the same as a band of pirates. Muhammad told them to do it. Is that like, "the Devil made me do it?" If you think you can trust a pirate or other criminal to tell the truth, then you can trust a muslim and they have recently proved this to be true by repeatedly lying to us.

When they finally stand before God in judgment, they will be judged heavily for lying, stealing, raping, and murder. They may be grinning big now, but when they are standing before the Great White Throne in judgment, they wont be grinning at all.

Im not sure what I think of this guy, this is Pro Christian Bias, simple as that, advertising false propaganda towards muslims.


posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 07:51 PM
Ya know what is REALLY wrong with the world..I don't understand it, really. Most if not all religions are monotheistic - believing in one God. Now, some may say that the Christian and Muslim God aren't the same, they have different names!
But, I don't know if anyone agrees with me on this, but I feel that we are all worshipping the same God, under different ways, names, etc etc..because all in all, we all believe in one God, just different ideas about that God..


posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 08:01 PM
According to his logic (using the term very loosely), it is not possible to prove that god does not exist.

But, it is possible to prove that god does exist - by finding evidence of gods actions or finding god himself.

Therefore, if it is possible for god to exist then everything that has been attributed to god can be true.....

Looks to me like he is saying that god's existance proves god's existance and calling anyone who doesn't believe him irrational.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 08:11 PM
How can someone sit here and say that athiests are irrational and illogical. I read the article and it makes sense but you also have to say that any religion is illogical and irrational. To go out and waste time worshiping something is really a big waste of time. Those of us who do not believe in this higher power and do not worship it are not any less off than those who do. So really what is the purpose. If you want to believe that its because when you die you will go to a better place. What makes you believers so much better than any other organism on this planet. When a flower dies does it get to go to a better place or how about that evil little snake thats so bad in your all mighty book. We are no different. When we die we become fertilizer just like everything else. We are not special, we're just more intelligent on how to manipulate things than these other things on this planet are.

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by JBenoit]

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 08:22 PM
because none of us can proove our opinions or beliefs involving religion, any person who strongly believes in or agrees with any kind of religion or spiritualism, or lack thereof is ignorant and irrational.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 09:54 PM
Is this guy using the 'atheists are stupid because they cant prove god doesn't exist' argument?

You all can't prove that I'm not Batman, therefore you are stupid for not believing that I am Batman.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 10:08 PM
You know..I was going to put Batman on my Avatar.
You beat me to it.

You all can't prove that I'm not Batman, therefore you are stupid for not believing that I am Batman.

How can you be batman when Im batman. You can be

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 10:09 PM
I reject the Christian God because of moral issues. Issues dealing with Hell, free will, salvation, and original sin. I find arguments for them illogical.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 10:23 PM
Man ZD, you are always making me be Catwoman. Kinky bloody Indians.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 10:38 PM
Hard for me to see Atheism as THE MOST irrational postion.

But then I take all my spiritual guidance from The Jodie Foster Athiest Lesbian Commune. No seriously. I do.

The official blog of the Jodie Foster Atheist Lesbian Commune!

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 10:49 PM

Originally posted by dunkleskates
this guy makes some sense. and this is coming from an athiest link

Man this article is a load of crap! His proof that god does exsist is that we cant prove otherwise. OK so how is that proof? So if you agree with this anyone you would agree that the Norse gods Thor and Odin exist, or that Vishnu or Kali the hindu gods must exsist... no-one can prove otherwise. The evidence that there is a god is a few books written 1000+ years ago that have been re-written countless times and translated nearly as many.

if evolutionists have to agree god exsists coz we cant prove other otherwise, the same goes to say that creationists have to believe god doesnt exsist coz they cant prove otherwise.

Now if anyone has ever studed history semi-seriously (high school history is enough) one of the first things you learn is that the more a source is copied and translated the less reliable it will be... but i guess the bible doesnt apply to that rule.

I'm not an atheist i have come to terms with my spirituality in my own ways which are not reflected by any recognised religion. The fact that there is a piece of paper saying god exsists is crap. I have just written on a piece of paper GOD DOES NOT EXSIST. By this guys logic this is evidence against him and is as good as the bible (maybe i'd have to write a book on why god doesnt exsist... dont ask me to coz i will). People experiencing god? just because someone feels enlightened by christianity does not prove gods exsistance... i feel enlightened but i am no christian does this prove my beliefs? no, and i dont ever try to tell people it does.

I'm not the anti-christ, i embrace the teachings of any religion i can and get ideas from all of them... i'm just sick of these religious fundamentalists forwarding arguments that are obviously pure propaganda... they contradict themselves, use flawed knoweldge, try to use confusing sentence structure into confusion people, trust me i know the tricks of the trade i've seen it all and know how to recognise it. If someone posts a link that gives me a damned good argument to why god exsists i will read it and if its a good enough arument i will take it into my stride... if its crap like this link i will read it and will further reduce my respect for the people who blindly follow and dont look to se what else is out there.

Sorry no intention to offend anyone... if i have offended you i aopolgise in advance.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:14 PM
whats the point of worshipping god, god was forced into the religious scene by violent opressive people and the opression continues to be upheld in the world. with all this religion supposed to be making people good it hasn't improved anything, people need to learn about themselves, find their true self, learn to love, worshipping no entity will help u unless you are giving a dedicated amount of worship and u get lucky and are illuminated with the tradition, i believe one must conquer himself so as to be ready for transcendance when the time comes

so atheism in this density of thought is not an illogical religious choice as it is not what needs to be learnt here, when one transcends they will become aware of the god/goddess

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by banjoechef]

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:17 PM
You should worship your consciousness.

The mind and body are the temples to be worshiped.


posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:21 PM
funny how the ones who are atheist usually only are to make themselves feel better about doing things that are considered wrong, they just want to feel like its ok even when it isnt or to fit in because everyone is becoming one, their ideas are becoming a fad because they cant understand life and its purpose or cant let go of their ego or earthly desires and dont want to believe there is any being superior to them....or all the above IMO.

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:24 PM

funny how the ones who are atheist usually only are to make themselves feel better about doing things that are considered wrong, they just want to feel like its ok even when it isnt or to fit in because everyone is becoming one, their ideas are becoming a fad because they cant understand life and its purpose or cant let go of their ego or earthly desires and dont want to believe there is any being superior to them....or all the above IMO.

What are you talking about. Ideas a Fad?

What are we some big cult?


posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:35 PM
well lets see here. just because you cant prove that god doesnt exist doesnt mean its impossible for him not to exist and it is irrational and illogical to think so. just because something cannot be proven false does not mean its not false. atheist are just as dumb as christians. (not getting up on my high horse, just saying they are equal)

also it seems to me like it is not impossible to prove that god doesnt exist. what if aliens came to earth and showed proof that they created us and we created god ourselves. would that not dissprove god?

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by hmmm]

posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 11:58 PM
that sounds pretty arrogant coming from someone who looks like he/she is a christian, namehere. you say that atheists such as myself are 'ignorant' or 'arrogant' b/c we don't believe in a higher power? who the hell cares? How can you say that it's irrational to believe there is no god? Why should I believe? I accepted blind faith b/c a friend kinda coerced me and I forced myself into believing it was true b/c I tried to give the book another chance after being an atheist for over 10 years since sunday school. But that was absurd. It did nothing but bring me pain, sorrow, anger, etc. trying to live this ridiculous 'moral' life where you can't do anything that relates to man's natural desires.

You can't have lots of sex b/c it's a "sin." Man couldn't eat most meats or any meats in Judaism b/c it's "God's law" when we're really not any higher than the animals so why should he try to tell us to surprise our carnivorous nature? God isn't loving at all in the last 10 books of the NT. All he talks about is being jealous of everyone worshipping other gods and he's gonna 'send them to hell' for not believing in Him. You say that I'm arrogant for not believing in Him? Look at your God, how arrogant he is. He thinks he's sooo important just b/c he was lucky enough to be the first being around and create the universe. why should I worship a Zealous/Jealous god like Jehovah who's not even monotheistic?

The bible has been proven by the revolutionary archaeologists and historians and the ones who really know the truth behind it that it's totally polytheistic but covered up. Jesus was the last of the great Sun Gods of history whose 'history' was just taken from other jesus-like savior stories throughout the ancient world. Look at the bible's coding and numbers. 12 appears quite a lot. why, you ask? B/c there's 12 zodiacs represented by the 12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, and many other 12's. The King James and other christian inventors of the christian cult hid the polytheism of the jewish god by making the Hebrew names Gabri-El, Ba-al, Micha-El, El Shaddi, Shamash, etc. and putting them together. God was made into one god in the modern translation by hiding his polytheism by making him call himself "the lord god" "lord of the covenant" "The Lord" and several others.

truth is, each one of those separate names for God just is a translation of the hebrew god in place of that worshipped by the jews. Yahweh and Jehovah are 2 diff. gods. You can learn all this by doing some research instead of being ignorant or using this "blind faith' excuse. Blind faith is a crappy excuse for a person who believes in god to not research and learn the truth about their religion. it's pure ignorance.

The Bible was only invented to create a new savior figure based on the others and unify all the other cultures under one religion. This would make it easier for the elite establishment and church to control the masses. The church created Jesus and the translation of the bible as a way to make themselves not responsible for what happened in the dark ages or so they wouldn't hafta make things better for others. It was used purely for the church's gain. Pope Leo X said himself "what profit has not this fable of christ brought us?"

Christianity was a curse on the world from day 1. the meeting at Nicaea was NOT about making the bible necessarily. It was a council for all the other savior figure worshippers throughout the cultures to come together and create the myth of Christ by covering up any evidence that they forged documents, texts, and whatever else they used.

So, namehere, it looks like your god doesn't exist or anything. I have just disproven your religion as it is truly nonsense and myth. So do you really think I'm irrational or just smart enough to get out of that prison cult before it was too late and figure out the truth behind it? Don't buy that 'blind faith' ignorance excuse to make wars against muslims or try to convert muslims or be such assholes as go to poor situations where everyone has a crappy life like on a tropical island and convert them. That's just stupid. using people who are susceptible to believe in anything b/c they got nowhere to turn as puppets for your "world conversion" to the myth of Jesus. just stay outta their lives and let them think for themselves. I know the bible says "preach to the nations" but don't go to places where the people's lives suck so much that they'll be willing to believe in anything.

that's called abuse of power and it's just wrong.

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