Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

You said:

Originally posted by shots
Because I think it is causing a problem/problems within our society that is why.

That is a statement of a direct effect on society, with the cause being this music.
And you didn't back it up with any facts or figures, just that it hurt your ears.

Sorry to say buddy, but just because something hurts your ears, doesn't mean it needs the FCC to come in and censor it.

Change the channel.

shots for you to sit there and say the music is wrong is straight disrespectful. If you have no respect for what I listen to, cool. But do not come here & say the music is wrong, when you haven't heard the music at all.

Ever heard the statement "Hip Hop Is Dead"? Many rappers(myself included) do not like the current form of mainstream Hip Hop because it does not represent truly what Hip Hop is about, where it came from and most subject matter is downright stupid. So, many people have said that the music we know and love as Hip Hop is no longer Hip Hop.

Listen to any track from Mos Def, Common, KRS One or Eyedea and I am sure you will change your mind about what you are saying. Because what you are saying is wrong. You're saying ALL rappers rap about the same trivial crap? Is that what you're saying. Like, I said, you are misinformed. Speak for yourself and speak solely for the little knowledge you have about the genre. Hip Hop music is not wrong. You are wrong.

I am a rapper & producer(hobby) myself. I am a graphic designer by occupation(career), but I do rap, for small shows and such. I have never once in my life written or rapped about anything trivial. Never. I have made feel good music, because no one wants to here a preacher all the time, but I have taken it upon myself to rap about things that I and many others consider right.

For you to sit there and say what I do is wrong, that what others do & listen to is wrong is a direct insult to me and everyone else who listens to Hip Hop, whether it is good Hip Hop or bad Hip Hop.

Okay, you are right. Hip Hop music is wrong. That makes Rock wrong, Country wrong, Alternative wrong, Jazz wrong, Blues, Reggae, Dancehall, Techno, R&B...everything. You have proven to us all that you are very ignorant and very closed minded and very misinformed!

Originally posted by shots

Also remember I am am allowed my opinion as you are yours and I say the music is wrong and so do members of the African American community and this list is growing so you may find things will change.

Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity

Description of Appeal to Popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

1. Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2. Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

Just because a bunch of people think it doesn't make it true. (That it is damaging to society)

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity

Not that stuff again we are not talking logic, we are not talking x v xx, we are talking about one of the human senses derived within the ear it is called hearing.

Also, What about those that deny the authenticity of the writings hosted by the Nizkor archives? Just because he says it is x does not make it x and I can put 7 philosophers in the same room all will come out with different solutions. Once again, you are barking up the wrong tree because logic plays no role is our human senses.

Now stop drifting so far off topic and answer the main question why are rappers or hip Hop artist's promoting violence within the African American community with their music and why are so many refusing to turn people in? One would think they want peace around their homes not violence and the only way to get rid of the bad guys is to turn them in or is that too hard to comprehend?

Originally posted by shots

Not that stuff again we are not talking logic, we are not talking x v xx, we are talking about one of the human senses derived within the ear it is called hearing.

When dealing with legalities, we use logic, not personal opinion. Otherwise, based on my opinion, people like you would be jailed for life.

Also, What about those that deny the authenticity of the writings hosted by the Nizkor archives? Just because he says it is x does not make it x and I can put 7 philosophers in the same room all will come out with different solutions. Once again, you are barking up the wrong tree because logic plays no role is our human senses.

You could put 7 philosophers in a room to discuss logic all you want. It may be interesting. But, put 7 logicians in a room, and they will tell you that the Nizkor logical fallacy page is as on point as anything in the field.

Now stop drifting so far off topic and answer the main question why are rappers or hip Hop artist's promoting violence within the African American community with their music

You say promotion, I say art imitating life.

and why are so many refusing to turn people in? One would think they want peace around their homes not violence and the only way to get rid of the bad guys is to turn them in or is that too hard to comprehend?

1) I can think of a few other ways to get rid of bad guys. The US justice system isn't the only way.

and

2) "bad guys" is a very subjective term. Just because a law is passed saying someone is a "bad guy" doesn't make it so.



[edit on 3-5-2007 by Rasobasi420]

We've already stated, contrary to your beliefs that most rappers do not preach violence. Why do the mainstream ones do it?

Ask yourself why they are mainstream? Because they deliver what people want to hear. The fact that they sell so many records preaching stupid stuff means that most people prefer to listen to stupid stuff with nice beats. Therefore, is the rapper the main culprit? Or the people who promote and enjoy this stupid stuff?

Rapper 50 Cent once said he did not get into this because he was passionate about it. He had a child and needed a way out of his current life, so he turned to Hip Hop because he saw it as a way out. It generates large amounts of cash. Russell Simmons, one who is behind the heavy censoring, knows that he may indeed lose money because of the censors. I do think that he knows that they will never be censored as much as some people want, if he thought they would actually be censored to that point, his music business would suffer and he knows that. If he wants them to stop, why not sign other artists who promote positivity to his record label?

Ah...he will never do that. Maybe 1 or 2 artists here and there who would eventually have to make some "bling bling, muder merk" songs to get played.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
When dealing with legalities, we use logic,

And what legalities are you talking about?
There is no legal issue when it comes to person opinion or didn't you know that? I know why you brought in logic because you can not win when it is based on ones opinion thus the simple thing is to start arguing logic which in this case will not work.



[edit on 5/3/2007 by shots]

You say that hip hop is ruining society. Hip hop is merley commentary n society..it brings to light what others choose to ignore. I personally like hip-hop..sure its not the positive thing in the world but I am not listening to it like its the gospel...Why cant you just turn the channel? If a few vulgar words are enough to make people ruin their lives then they were crazy to begin with.

Hip-hop doesnt promote violence. Hip hop is a reflection of society...Rappers write about what they know/see/and have survived. Alot of time Rap has gotten these major artists out of death senteces. Meaning if they were doing what they were doing before they rapped most would be dead. Rapping has allowed them to take care of there families (mothers/grandmothers/kids) It has done alot of positive things for people. I think the problem is with people like you..you hear a bunck of f-words/n-words/b-words and you arent REALLY listening to what some of these people are saying.Almost all mainstream artists that i have heard of have a few songs that are 1)positive or 2) reflective and saddened by their past..50 cent Eminem TI all of them have such songs. There is more to hip-hop and rap than the occasional listener can really grasp

[edit on 5/3/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Shots??

You were arguing that the FCC should be involved, fines levied, and censoring the music..

Those are legalities.

You said that the music was ruining society. That is an absolute statement, and not one of taste. That requires a logical argument as well.

Do you really not remember any of that?

He keeps talking about what happened back in his day..maybe he really doesnt remember...

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Shots??

You were arguing that the FCC should be involved, fines levied, and censoring the music..

No I never said the FCC should be involved if I did that was not my intention.

what I meant was the FCC already has rules in place that prohibit the use of profanities such as those used in some music that is a fact and also the reason they have the delay in broadcasting (I think it is 5 seconds might be ten) you just are trying to turn it into an argument.

Now kindly show me where I stated I want the music censored I do not recall making any other statement other then they should enforce the laws already in place.

[edit on 5/3/2007 by shots]

Actually you never really clarified that, that was your position.FCC laws ARE being enforced. That is why words are beeped out and Cds have warning labels. I cant even buy my favorite CD from Walmart w/o it being edited. What more do you want. The government has done enough. It is time for people to start taking some personal responsibility and stop blaming HIP-HP for society's problems

Originally posted by shots
Now kindly show me where I stated I want the music censored I do not recall making any other statement other then they should enforce the laws already in place.

You proposed imposing fines on playing certain songs on the air.

Originally posted by shots
Censorship will work though. If the FCC made the use of the words illegal on the air they could slap a hefty fine on the radio stations each time they played the song.

Where you stated that violence in society is brought on by profanity

Originally posted by shots
Have you ever noticed how most violence is brought on by the use of profanity? Do not use it and talking civil will go a long way at least it did back in the 40s through the 60s and early 70s.

Where you stated that rap music promoted violence in the black community

Originally posted by shots
I know you like hip hop or whatever you care to call it which is fine, but you really should think about the corruption the music is promoting within the African American communities rather then the money it puts in your pocket.

Where you said that, in no uncertain terms, censoring lyrics will be beneficial to the mindset of younger generations

Originally posted by shots
No I am not. I stand by what I said if you clean up the lyrics it will affect the mindset of the younger generations. You can argue hip rap is great wonderful from the top of a mountain but that will not make it better, that can only be done by cleaning up the lyrics and you do not need your logic to write at least I don't.

These are all absolute statements that need facts as a defense. There were none.

Rasobasi420 I was going to give you a vote for a WATS but i cant find that button anymore Anyways good job..I did not have the patients to go back and figure out what he really said..I went back 3 pages and just said forget it

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

You proposed imposing fines on playing certain songs on the air.

Originally posted by shots
Censorship will work though. If the FCC made the use of the words illegal on the air they could slap a hefty fine on the radio stations each time they played the song.

Yes it looks like I did say it although I had forgotten it. I stand corrected but would like to point out technically many words are still illegal on the air that is why they have the delay and the reason you hear the beeps all the time on TV.

So what is your position..You think the FCC needs to enforce current rules or make stricter rules or...this type of music shouldnt be allowed anyways because it is bad for society or (fill in the blank)?