Dalai Lama Targeted for Assassination?

The probability of the Chinese government being found out in India, after sending their own to assassinate him would be too large for them to risk. What better way could they have devised a scapegoat, other than to pay a terrorist group to kill him for them?

(Im at work so my posts generally ahve to wrap up real fast in order for me to avoid my team lead who likes to take walks around the building)

The monks of tibet ruled over that country while the peasent population worked themselves to the bones to give the monks their food, livestock, and whatever else the monasteries wanted from them. AS the article says, tibet was a theocracy taht lived off the backs of those peasents, and those monks had a good thing going for them untill their class was blown away by the chinese.

IMO any religious leaders that use their influence to win political gain for themselves and their class should get no sympathy.

I guess i should have narrowed down who i damned to hell though. I used to know a buddhist monk by the name of Rim-Po-shee. great man, very inspirational, i have no problems with the monks that practise what they preach (forigve the tirte saying) BUt i do have a problem with those in positions of religious power that use their religion to win gain for themselves, exploit others, and enhance their already oppulent lifestyles.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
The probability of the Chinese government being found out in India, after sending their own to assassinate him would be too large for them to risk. What better way could they have devised a scapegoat, other than to pay a terrorist group to kill him for them?

Well, while that is true, it is important to realize that the Chinese are not cowardly. They never have been. When 9/11 happened, many automatically said, "Well, maybe the Chinese are responsible." Do you know how I knew that couldn't be? A modus operandi of the Chinese would have been for them to fly their own planes over here and crash them into the world trade centers. It didn't happen like that though. While I didn't know who was responsible initially, and still have some doubts, I knew that it wasn't the Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese or any other Asian nation that did it.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I used to know a buddhist monk by the name of Rim-Po-shee. great man, very inspirational.

Rinpoche.

Rinpoche or Rimpoche (Tibetan:ར; /rin'potʃe/) is a Tibetan Buddhist religious/theological honorific title. "Rinpoche" literally means "the precious one in human kind". The title is generally reserved for tulkus (incarnate lamas) and those recognized by the proper authorities within a lineage as "choje lamas" ("superior dharma masters"). In Tibet and Bhutan, when used alone it refers to Padmasambhava, also called "Guru Rinpoche", who first brought Tibetan Buddhism to the Himalayas.

My father is a Bhuddist and knows Sogyal Rinpoche as he is also a part of Rigpa.

Originally posted by Xeros

Rinpoche or Rimpoche (Tibetan:ར; /rin'potʃe/) is a Tibetan Buddhist religious/theological honorific title. "Rinpoche" literally means "the precious one in human kind". The title is generally reserved for tulkus (incarnate lamas) and those recognized by the proper authorities within a lineage as "choje lamas" ("superior dharma masters"). In Tibet and Bhutan, when used alone it refers to Padmasambhava, also called "Guru Rinpoche", who first brought Tibetan Buddhism to the Himalayas.

My father is a Bhuddist and knows Sogyal Rinpoche as he is also a part of Rigpa.

Thats actually quite interesting. i had no idea. i always thought that was his name. My mother went to a buddhist temple when i was young and brought me along for the ride. it was definately something different. I think the temple is closed down now and i think he went back to tibet. too bad, really nice guy. As for my piss poor spelling attempt, i just tried to spell it out as best i could, assuming it was just his name.

EDIT: im going to have to ask my mother what guys actual name is now...

[edit on 4-4-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Xeros, your father is Buddhist? Hmmm, I wonder who he thinks is responsible for this death threat on the Dalai Lama.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Xeros, your father is Buddhist? Hmmm, I wonder who he thinks is responsible for this death threat on the Dalai Lama.

Yes, I will ask him. My guess is that he would probably think much the same as me. It is not considered so much a religion to him, more a teaching or philosophy, which is really what Tibetan Bhuddism is (I think). I'm not sure as to why there would be a threat though, I'd think that if 'somebody' was serious, they would keep quiet. (?)

Xeros, most would argue that Buddhism is not really a religion. Most would argue that it is a philosophy that is true. I suspect that, not knowing your father, he probably would think the Chinese are behind it. There is,no doubt, a lot of bad blood between the Chinese and Tibet.. So..

[edit on 4-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

This actually sickens me to think they would target this man of complete peace.
If you ask me I believe this is what we call Evil. I was wondering if anyone knows...The religions of this world were basically born out of violence or have had violent times in them...I dont know if the Budism religion has or not...does anyone know?

If this happens I am going to go ape.

First of all, don't jump to assumptions that the Chinese are behind it with NO proof at all. Assumptions lead to ignorance.

Now think of it this way, WHY would the Chinese gov't do this? If the Dalai Lama does get assassinated, wouldn't you think the entire world would turn their eyes on China?

China's goal is simple and it is quite effective - let the him slowly die. Theres nothing really he can do and theres nothing really he is doing.

The Chinese officials aren't stupid. I'm pretty sure they know that the entire world would point fingers at them if his Holiness gets assassinated. You give these guys too little credit - they wrote the Art of War for God's sakes...




[edit on 4-4-2007 by k4rupt]

Originally posted by k4rupt
China's goal is simple and it is quite effective - let the him slowly die.

The Dalai Lama cannot 'die' by definition.

Originally posted by k4rupt
Theres nothing really he can do and theres nothing really he is doing.

What do you mean by this? He is bringing awareness of the oppression towards Tibet.

Originally posted by Xeros

The Dalai Lama cannot 'die' by definition.

I'm talking about THAT guy... and believe me, he will die sooner or later. lol...

What do you mean by this? He is bringing awareness of the oppression towards Tibet.

Great, and how has this affected China? It's economic growth? Hm... seems to me the "awareness" has had little or no affect on China.

Oh, and btw, the Dalai Lama was quoted in saying in late Dec. 2006 "Tibet needs China."

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
I was wondering if anyone knows...The religions of this world were basically born out of violence or have had violent times in them...I dont know if the Budism religion has or not...does anyone know?

All religions spring out of a need to tell people what NOT to do. However, whatever that not-do, it can be deflected, spun like pleased, even be circumscribed by arguments from the scriptures at any time, if it is suitable for the bosses. In times past it often was. If peasants were to redefine anything it would shake the power and was called rebellion --worth a century of war-- to subdue before any new order could be agreed upon.

And all religions get their offspring in violent and turbulent times, where decadence and suffering are at its worst. Also Buddhism.

In pre-ashokan times India, life would have been at best accidental, at worst with violence raging randomly. It was a time of war with the cause being questioned by its effects (sounds familiar today). Anyhow carried out to its full extend by a disputing of the grounds of the Aryan (Brahman) deism. Went something like 'if everything is predestined, why worry about your actions'. It was up in the time, not to let any moral grounds inhibit you. Out of this mess a neo-Brahmanism grew, soon to be reckoned as Hinduism.

Like today, there was a great need for showing restrain and question the common logic of the times. Buddha was just one in probably hundred of thousands of sadhus to point out a proper way.

But it was Asoka, the great warrior, deemed heartless and cruel by his contemporaries, later to be Emperor of an India from Hindukush to bay of Bengal, that spread Buddhism. But first he had to kill off all his half brothers to get to throne, so he waged wars.

After a decade of plunder and destruction, the legend goes, Asoka was overwhelmed by the destruction and death his campaign had brought down at the battle of Kalinga. Knowing his innermost motive had been nothing but revenge of a half-brother, so far escaped, who had been mocking him from exile in Kalinga, the emperor suddenly fell in despair to see the destruction and suffering it had created.

For the rest 30 years of his reign Asoka never took up war again, but devoted his time to spread the teaching of Lord Buddha and engaged in building stupas and monuments to his honour. He also cataloged what the past century and a half since the passing of the Buddha had written and commented on him. He even took his missions as far as present day Thailand and far into Afghanistan.

As far as Buddhist states and wars, the correlation cannot be ruled out for what has passed in some Buddhist nations within the last 40 years. Sri Lanka and Cambodia is what first comes to mind, but places like Thailand, Laos and Vietnam cannot be ruled out either, having had their share of ethnic fighting/cleansing or down-right guerrilla insurgency to deal with.

But fact is the Cambodian genocide was based in a mix of Karl Marx and Traditional Buddhist scripts. Pol Pot and his guys might had thought themselves communists, but was from simple rural backgrounds with all the ties of a traditional believe attached.

Ok..
heads up:

FAQs:


Who/What is Laskhar-E-Toiba(LeT)?
Pakistan based militant group associated with Al-Qaeda. However primary objective is to oust Indian forces from 'Indian Occupied Kashmir' and merge Kashmir with Pakistan.


Do they fall directly under the Al-Qaeda command chain?
NO. Al-Qaeda may offer them resources and expertise but the affiliation ends about there. No direct command authority.

Does LeT have any connection with Pak Authority?
It is claimed by India that this(and other Pak based militant groups) operated directly under command of the ISI(Pakistani Secret Services). India now cedes that LeT is not actively controlled by Pak authority anymore, but Pakistan stills 'allows' them to operate freely on Pak soil.

Will the Chinese prosper if the Lama is assasinated?
In the long run..IMHO yes..esp since his successor will definitely not be as charismatic as him.
Initially there will be a bit unrest and uproar but in the long run it will kill any
hopes of freedom from Chinese rule in Tibet.
Yes the Tibetians still believe the there will be some respite from the chinese in the future(if not independance) and they expect India to help with that.

Are Pakistan and China bunk-buddies?
You bet..

Are Pakistan/China hostile towards India in general?
Yup..

Is India actively housing and supporting the exiled Tibetian Authority and refugees?
Yes, most of them are in India.



Draw what conclusions you like..
This has very little to do with AlQaeda and Islam.

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by AwakeAndAllSeeing
I was reading about this group a few months- year ago. I thought the USA was working with them....

Any evidence of that?

I don't remember the exact article, it's been nearly a year.

But LET has received ISI money.

www.tkb.org...

^^
Exactly..
Read my FAQ post above..

Originally posted by Xeros
My father is a Bhuddist and knows Sogyal Rinpoche as he is also a part of Rigpa.

Have you ever met him before? would you recognize him if i posted a picture of him? (i think its him, i think the guy i knew when i was young is the same guy your father knows.)

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Islam is trying to rid the world of all that is good, in my honest opinion. It's really a sad state of affairs.

If this quote insist that Islamic intent is a bad one then i'd say you're ignorant.


Islam means submitting to the ONE God (Allah). Many Christians miss the message of Christ, or shall I say Joshua ben Joesph, which is believe in ONE God and love thy neighbor. This doesnt mean radical muslims should potray what Islam as a whole is.


"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X


This was the message that Malcolm was trying to spread about Islam in America. If everyone was peaceful, courteous, obeyed the law, and respected everyone than NO ONE would be putting hands on anyone and the ones who did should face death if everyone else was peaceful. Malcolm, by his death, had understood the brotherhood of Islam. This is the Islam the world needs.


BACK TO THE THREAD...


Killing the Dalai Lama and blaming Muslim terrorist is a perfect flase flag to potray these terrorist as the worst evil. Until factual evidence of America's link to Al-Queda, which would not suprise me one bit, is presented I can not blame CIA for this. Link or not, this does help pit an US(no pun intended) vs. THEM in Middle Eastern affairs associated with Islam. If the Dalai Lama really is killed and Al-Queda is blamed it will support justification for the actions of the War on Terror.




On a lighter note,



I do find increased security for the Dalai Lama funny supporting what Edn and Seeker PI have said.

Originally posted by Edn
I could almost laugh at this. What idiot would consider killing a Buddhist? It gains nothing, Seeker PI pointed it out perfectly the Dalai Lama pretty much couldn't care less if you killed him. Its in Buddhist nature not to really be bothered about death (fear = suffering).

From Daedalus3 FAQ post above

Originally posted by Daedalus3


Draw what conclusions you like..
This has very little to do with AlQaeda and Islam.

If what you say is true then this means word of this story has already resonated in readers heads as tying this to AlQueda. Mis(or DIS)information as helped foster the anti-Muslim trend of the War on Terror.