Rosie O'Donnell asks for a Physics Expert to Explain the collapse of WTC7 on the VIEW..AWESOME!!!

Originally posted by amfirst
Steven Jones? HAHAh... He can't even get his peers to believe him, so how is he going to get the public to believe him? You got one physics person out of thousands. The majority wins!

Wow... you state such compelling arguments . Many of his peers do agree with him regarding the demise of WTC 7... maybe not the exact details of the collapse, but that it was not natural.

"Physics person"?

You are really showing some deep intellect eith that statement... the man has a Ph.D. Do you?

It is not "one physics person" out of thousands... but, believe as you will and continue down your path.

BYU had grant money threatened... how do you think the government controls universities? Have you attended a university? Applied for a grant?

Originally posted by esdad71
This makes her a 9/11 expert. Man, this is funnier than the Anna Nicole coverage. You see, as you sit here defending Rosie, the US?UK are preparing to enter WW3. Misdirection at it's finest.

Cut for brevity's sake.

I love it, absolutely love it, when those who support the official story attack the person, rather than address what they're saying.

It really only gives credability to what Rosie O'Deonnel and Charlie Sheen are saying, and makes all the naysayers look like schoolyard bullies who would rather insult than debate intelligently.

I think it also shows a lack of confidence in your own perspective, a lack of maturity, and the inability to answer even rudimentary questions. So you deflect, insult, and try to discredit the source, rather than the information being presented. It's a typical underhanded debating technique, but once your able to recognize it...

Very entertaining.

Originally posted by amfirst
Steven Jones? HAHAh... He can't even get his peers to believe him, so how is he going to get the public to believe him? You got one physics person out of thousands. The majority wins!

He can't even get his peers to believe him? Is this a democracy of truth, or THE TRUTH period? If one person has evidence for the Earth being round, and his 'peers' don't believe him, is this enough to sway your own personal judgment? Or do you use your own mind to come to conclusions.

In any case here are some 'physics people' as you put it THAT DO AGREE that 911 needs further investigation and the current story DOES NOT WORK:

# Virginia Deane Abernethy, Ph.D., anthropologist, author, Population Politics
# Ed Asner, actor, activist
# Marshall Auerback, international portfolio strategist for David W. Tice & Associates, Inc.
# Catherine Austin Fitts, Asst. Secretary of Housing in the first Bush administration
# Keidi Obi Awadu, aka The Conscious Rasta, talk show host, LIBRadio
# Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President
# Byron Belitsos, publisher, Origin Press, author Planetary Democracy
# Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former deputy attorney general, Pennsylvania
# Medea Benjamin, activist, author, co-founder, Global Exchange and Code Pink
# Dennis Bernstein, investigative reporter, radio host of KPFA's Flashpoints
# Steve Bhaerman aka Swami Beyondananda, author, political comedian
# Brad Blanton, Ph.D., psychotherapist, author, Radical Honesty
# Saniel Bonder, spiritual teacher and author, Great Relief
# Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies
# John Buchanan, author, candidate for the Republican Party Presidential nomination, 2004
# Gray Brechin, Ph.D., author, environmental historian, professor, UC Berkeley
# Fred Burks, presidential interpreter for Bush, Clinton, Cheney, and Gore
# Norma Carr-Rufino, Ph.D., author, professor of management, San Francisco State University
# Angana Chatterji, Ph.D., scholar-activist and professor of anthropology
# Paul Cienfuegos, co-founder, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County
# David Cobb, attorney, national presidential candidate, US Green Party
# John Cobb, Ph.D., theologian, co-author, For the Common Good
# Ernest Callenbach, founder/editor, Film Quarterly, author, Ecotopia
# Kevin Danaher, Ph.D., author, speaker, co-founder, Global Exchange
# Stephen Dinan, author, Radical Spirit
# Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy
# Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D., Director, American Center for Democracy, author, Funding Evil
# Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers
# Jodie Evans, co-founder, Code Pink
# Richard Falk, Professor Emeritus of International Law, Princeton University
# Michael Franti, musician, filmmaker, human rights worker
# Janeane Garofalo, actress, comedienne, talk show host, Air America Radio
# Jim Garrison, Ph.D., president, State of the World Forum, author, America as Empire
# Bruce Gagnon, Chair, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
# Ric Giardina, author, consultant, speaker, former Director of Trademarks and Brands for Intel
# John Gray, Ph.D., #1 bestselling author, Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus
# Stan Goff, 25-year Army Special Ops veteran, author, Full Spectrum Disorder
# Melvin Goodman, senior fellow, Center for International Policy, author, former Senior Analyst, CIA, professor, National War College
# Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter
# David Ray Griffin, Ph.D., theologian, author, New Pearl Harbor
# Doris "Granny D" Haddock, campaign finance crusader, NH Democratic candidate for Senate
# Thom Hartmann, radio host; author, Unequal Protection
# Richie Havens, singer, songwriter, performer, artist
# Paul Hawken, bestselling author, environmentalist, entrepreneur, founder of Smith & Hawken
# Randy Hayes, founder, Rainforest Action Network, US National Director, Direction Conservation
# Richard Heinberg, author, The Party's Over, core faculty, New College of California
# Van Jones, executive director, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
# Rob Kall, editor, OpEdNews.com, president, Futurehealth, Inc.
# Georgia Kelly, executive director, Praxis Peace Institute
# Sean Kelly, Ph.D., author, professor of philosophy and religion, CA Institute of Integral Studies
# John Joseph Kennedy, Democratic Write-in Presidential Candidate for 2004
# Mimi Kennedy, actress, Dharma and Greg, progressive activist
# Faiz Khan, M.D., Triage Emergency Physician on 9/11, Assistant Imam
# David Korten, author, When Corporations Rule the World
# Frances Moore Lapp?, author, Diet for a Small Planet; founder, Small Planet Institute
# Scott M. Legere, 25 year radio broadcaster as Scott Ledger, Tampa FL
# Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN Magazine, author, Healing Israel/Palestine
# Michael Levine, bestselling author of Deep Cover, journalist, 25-year veteran of the DEA
# Joanna Macy, Ph.D., eco-philosopher, author
# Enver Masud, founder, The Wisdom Fund, author, The Truth About Islam
# John McCarthy, former Special Forces Captain, president, Veterans Equal Rights Protection Advocacy
# Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
# Cynthia McKinney, five-term Congresswoman from Georgia
# Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author, professor, co-founder, Green Earth Foundation
# Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, author, professor, New York University
# Joseph W. Montaperto, New York City Fire Department
# Leuren Moret, geoscientist, radiation specialist, environmental commissioner
# Ralph Nader, Independent candidate for President
# Craig Neal, author, co-founder, The Heartland Institute, former publisher, Utne Reader
# Jeff Norman, executive director, Tour of Duty
# Jenna Orkin, Esquire, World Trade Center Environmental Organization
# Kelly Patricia O'Meara, investigative journalist, public relations
# Michael Parenti, Ph.D., author, Superpatriotism and The Terrorism Trap
# Edward L. Peck, former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism
# Peter Phillips, Ph.D., professor, Sonoma State University, director, Project Censored
# Henri Poole, Internet pioneer, board member, Free Software Foundation
# Robert Rabbin, author, speaker, creator of TruthForPresident.org
# Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., sociologist, author

[edit on 11-4-2007 by greatlakes]

HEY THE LINK STOP HERE!
I guess when the proff hit the fan the bickering stops

greatlakes, thats a very impressive list.

but, not to be contrary, i count maybe...oh, 5? people on there (sorry i wasnt making tick marks as i read the list) who's opinion is even just a LITTLE more qualified than ANY of us.

so, whats the point again?

not one PHD in phyics on that list. couple military guys, but id put my opinion in there against theirs. few cia guys but what exactly was their field at the agency?

i mean, if i write some bs book and have paladin press publish it can i add my name to the list if i agree? how about if i disagree?

now dont get me wrong, im all for another investigation but probably not for the same reasons most of those people are.

but i mean gees...if we're basing value of opinion on RELAVANT experience or training id at least hope mine is weighted higher than jeanine garafalo's or even rosies, i mean really.

ive at least blown things up in real life.

Originally posted by Damocles
greatlakes, thats a very impressive list.

but, not to be contrary, i count maybe...oh, 5? people on there (sorry i wasnt making tick marks as i read the list) who's opinion is even just a LITTLE more qualified than ANY of us.

I counted

- eighteen or so Ph.D.s
- Some Intelligence analysts
- 9/11 First Responders
- High ranking Military Officials...

I would say your count is a bit off.

Originally posted by Damocles
ive at least blown things up in real life.

Yes, Yes, you tell us all the time... with low tech enlisted man bottom of the barrel technology...

Have you blown anything up using CDI's DREXS tech?

[edit on 12-4-2007 by Pootie]

Well this list is only a small sampling, there are thousands of of people, scientists, engineers, professors etc all wanting to have answers that make sense and that fit the events. I'm sure there are those on another list that agree with the fairytale of what was and is being fed to us. The point being that it's not just a handful of conspiracy theorists that don't believe the official story.

Here's some more for your count:

Michael M. Andregg (FM)

Domestic intelligence, Justice and Peace Studies, St. Thomas University, St. Paul, MN

Mark Bamberger, Ph.D. (FM)

Professor of Geology and Environmental Sciences, Miami University and Capital University

Kevin Barrett (FM)

Folklore, UW-Madison; Director, Khidria, Inc.; Founding Member, Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, mujca.com

Philip J. Berg, Esq. (FM)

Attorney at Law, Former Deputy Attorney General, former candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor, and U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania, whose web site, 911forthetruth.com, covers the RICO lawsuit that is pending against Bush, Cheney and 53 other Defendants in Federal Court, Southern District of New York

Tracy Blevins (FM)

Bioengineering, Rice University

Robert M. Bowman (FM)

Former Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" Space Defense Program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, and a former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions

Robert S. Boyer (FM)

Philosophy; Mathematics; Computer Science; University of Texas, Austin

Clare Brandabur (FM)

Assistant Professor of English Literature at Dogus University in Istanbul

Joseph G. Buchman, Ph.D. (FM)

Associate Professor of Marketing, Adams State College

Andreas von Buelow (FM)

Former assistant German defense minister, director of the German Secret Service, minister for research and technology, and member of Parliament for 25 years

Larry Burk (FM)

Radiology, Medical hypnosis

Don Bustion (FM)

Attorney, Adjunct Professor, Southern Arkansas University

John Bylsma (FM)

French language and culture

William A. Cook (FM)

Professor of English, University of La Verne, Author of "Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy"

Richard Curtis (FM)

Dr. Curtis is an Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at several Seattle area colleges.

A. K. Dewdney (FM)

Mathematician, Computer Scientist, University of Western Ontario, physics911.net/spine.htm

Joseph Diaferia (FM)

Political Science and History, State University and City University, New York

Albert Dragstedt (FM)

Classics and Philosophy, St. Mary's College, Oakland, CA

Mike Earl-Taylor (FM)

Criminal Profiling, Investigative and Forensic Psychology, Rhodes University, South Africa

Ted Elden (FM)

Architect, Communicator

Constance Eichenlaub (FM)

Classical Languages
Comparative Literature

James H. Fetzer (FM)

Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, a former Marine Corps officer, author or editor of more than 20 books, and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Marcus Ford (FM)

Humanities, NAU

Ruth Frankenberg (FM)

American Studies, Cultural Studies, Author of four books

David Ray Griffin (FM)

Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion & Theology, Claremont School of Theology & Claremont Graduate University, Author or editor of some 30 books, including "The New Pearl Harbor" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions"

Derrick P. Grimmer (FM)

Physics, Alternative energy

David Griscom (FM)

Physics of optical materials, Materials science and engineering, Author/co-author of nearly 200 publications

Paul D. Haemig, Ph.D. (FM)

Department of Biology and Environment, Kalmar University, Sweden

Bill Hammel (FM)

Ph.D. Physics at U. Wisconsin, Milwaukee (ret.)

Bruce R. Henry (FM)

Mathematics, Worcester State College

James Hill (FM)

Intellectual property attorney, Radiology, USC School of Medicine

Jim Hogue (FM)

MS Theatre, Taught at Community College of Vermont

Robert G. Horn (FM)

Former full-time faculty Department of Pathology, at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine

Charles Hux (FM)

Associate Professor, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School

Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs (FM)

Former Dean of Education, Oglala Lakota College and currently professor of educational leadership at Fielding Graduate University and at Northern Arizona University

Andrew Johnson (FM)

Physics, Computer Science, Software Engineering

Aaron Jones (FM)

Computer Engineering at The University of Illinois - Chicago

Michael Keefer (FM)

English and theatre, University of Guelph

Jack Keller (FM)

Civil Engineering, Irrigation Engineering, Agricultural Engineering

Stephen F. LeRoy (FM)

Professor of Economics, University of California, Santa Barbara

Davidson Loehr (FM)

Theology; Philosophy of science; Philosophy of religion

Catherine Lowther (FM)

Goddard College

Graeme MacQueen (FM)

Religious Studies, Peace and Conflict Studies

Jim Marrs (FM)

Author, Researcher, 9/11, JFK, more

Richard McGinn (FM)

Associate Professor Emeritus of Linguistics and Southeast Asian Studies, Ohio University. Former chair of Linguistics (10 years) and Director of Southeast Asian Studies (4 years) at Ohio University

John McMurtry, Ph.D. (FM)

Professor of Philosophy, University Professor Emeritus Elect, University of Guelph, Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, and the author of six books dealing with public policy issues

Scott Meredith (FM)

Oriental languages; Theoretical linguistics; Computational linguistics

Robert Merrill (FM)

Literature and Humanities; Maryland Institute College of Art; Editor, Maisonneuve Press

Ted Micceri (FM)

Statistical Research, Planning and Analysis, University of South Florida

Tim Millea (FM)

ACCESS PI, Computer science

Michael Morrissey (FM)

English as a Foreign Language, University of Kassel, Germany

Raymond Munro (FM)

Professor of Theatre, Clark University

Richard C. Murray (FM)

Sociology, George Williams College, Downers Grove, Illinois

Jesus Nieto (FM)

College of Education, San Diego State University

Daniel Orr (FM)

Professor Emeritus, Department of Economics, University of Illinois

Matthew Orr (FM)

Population Biology, Evolution and Ecology, University of Oregon "Is the War on Terror Fraudulent?"



[edit on 12-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Originally posted by Pootie
[I counted

- eighteen or so Ph.D.s

ok so...

# Gray Brechin, Ph.D., author, environmental historian, professor, UC Berkeley
# Norma Carr-Rufino, Ph.D., author, professor of management, San Francisco State University
# Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D., Director, American Center for Democracy, author, Funding Evil
# Virginia Deane Abernethy, Ph.D., anthropologist, author, Population Politics

yeah thats only four but illustrates my point. what makes ANY of those people more qualified than you or me?

- Some Intelligence analysts

ok, intel analysts, did they analyze some polititians from russia or do BDA's for field operatives?

- 9/11 First Responders
- High ranking Military Officials...

ok now these guys would be included in my guess of 5 but even the "high ranking military officials" you have to ask what they did. cuz guess what...supply officers can make ltc also. does an officer who did logistics necessarily know more about bombs or controlled demo than you or i do? no. he may he may not. the first responders i would say their opinion is more valid based on one thing only. THEY WERE THERE, and there isnt a consensus among them either.

I would say your count is a bit off.

only when u nit pick my post man, cuz if you read it i said a hand full of people on the list whos opinion may be MORE valid than yours or mine. thats it.

Originally posted by Damocles
ive at least blown things up in real life.

Yes, Yes, you tell us all the time...

yeah i do mention it a lot dont i? wonder why that is...maybe cuz i feel that when discussing explosives its probly not a bad idea to base said discussion on having oh, i dunno...blown something up? call me crazy. whos opinion would you take on doing CPR? an office worker who watched the video and did the little test on the dummy or a paramedic who's DONE CPR? up to you but for me experience wins out.

oh yeah, this is the internet, i could claim anything. yer right, i could, but when posting about demolitions properties when i dotn state im speculating, how often am i flat out wrong?

i mean, if you realy really want me vetted, drop a pm to the amigos and ill give them my ph number and they can vet me all they want but i dont think anyone really thinks its worth the time cuz at the end of the day im just spouting my opinions just like you and THAT IS THE POINT I WAS MAKING IN MY LAST POST!!! (sorry bout that) parade a list of people around all you want, and they can list off their precious PhD's all day, but unless its a degree RELAVANT to the topic their PhD gives their opinion NO MORE WEIGHT THAN YOURS, or, odd as it is, even mine.

with low tech enlisted man bottom of the barrel technology...

cuz at the end of the day, guess waht brings buildings down?

Have you blown anything up using CDI's DREXS tech?

no, but i never claimed to work for CDI and near as i can tell, unless someone shows me the patent sheets or a spec sheet, even an MSDS sheet on this thing im going to have the opinion its nothing more than what they call an LSC for their marketing. compare their description to this
so, whats all taht spectacular about that? most of the "guestimate" calculations ive done for people on this site i base off using those becuase u can use 2lbs of ordinance to do the job of 14lbs and as you add it up it really does use less explosive.


greatlakes, yeah, theres a lot of people and i think what you and pootie both missed was that even though i disagree with the CD theories im all for a new investigation. there ARE too many unanswered questions and they NEED to be answered.

i just dont think that posting a list of PhD's and celebrities by anyone is that great a thing. forget my opinion, what makes them more important than YOU?

send a semi load of petitions to the whitehouse and i would bet you get further than rosie does.

Is there a downloadable version of this on the net anywhere??

I would like to get this for safe keeping if you know what I mean.

Greatlakes,

Nice post and an impressive list. What we need here is for someone or group from ATS to initiate contact with these particular individuals and see is they would like to get involved with discussion here.

I would think that ATS would be an excellent place of collaboration and gathering for such a well qualified group of individuals interested in getting the truth out.

What are all of your thoughts?

Looks like Rosie just bailed on her 9/11 conspiracy notions...

Thinks that Saudi terrorists were behind 9/11

And she won't be discussing it on the View anymore.

^ Somebody changed her mind for her. She's not stupid.
She likes to make money.
Bottom line.

Originally posted by dgtempe
^ Somebody changed her mind for her. She's not stupid.
She likes to make money.
Bottom line.

But isn't this the all time most henious crime committed by a Government on its own people EVER?

Since Rosie can back-up all of her 9/11 conspiracy comments with cold hard facts, she should have nothing to fear..right? Just a little job security? She could go on the 9/11 speakers circuit and make money...

Fetzer-like money...not ABC money.. I guess there is a bit of a drop off...eh?

Yea...she realize she was wrong, so she cancel the plan...

Steven Jones is a fraud.

· The extremely poor quality of his work.

· Evidence of dishonesty and academic fraud .

· Muddled thought processes which can only indicate either extreme stupidity or a program of deliberate deception—possibly both.

· Plagiarism

· His role in a continuing orchestrated campaign to disguise cover up as truth.

· His low standards of academic and journalistic ethics.



The series will conclude with an examination of the wider phenomenon of junk research, how it smothers good research, and why the junk research usually gets the greater publicity.


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Disturbed about the content and quality of physicist Steven E. Jones' 9/11 work, Drs. Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood conducted a peer-review. This review covers ten major issues which include demolition of WTC 7, demolitions of WTC 1&2, evidence for high-energy explosives, thermite, glowing aluminum, No Big Boeing Theory (NBB) and other issues. In the "truth movement," it is vital that we police our own. If we don't, the defenders of the OGCT certainlly will. You can be sure that it will get mighty ugly when defenders of the OGCT find major errors. This is the purpose for having research peer reviewed.

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I can go all day.

Steven E. Jones is a professor at Brigham Young University. He has created the paper which has created the ground swell around the 911 conspiracy theories. His paper was peer reviewed but not by a civil engineering journal. One would think a serious professor would get his paper peer reviewed by a scientific journal which specializes in the field they are writing the paper on.

But is Professor Jones qualified to create a paper which says the towers must have fallen due to explosives? He is a physics professor but what experience does Jones have in building collapse forensics? He has none. His other peer reviewed papers consist of cold fusion technology. He conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy. Nothing in his background would suggest he is qualified to write a civil engineering paper on the infinitely complex building collapse of the towers.

Brigham Young University doesn't want anything to do with the paper.

A few department chairmen at Jones' university have issued critical statements, though none of these has yet addressed any of the points which Jones made in his paper and at his presentation at BYU. Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".

The BYU physics department has also issued a statement: "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones' hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones' department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." The College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones."
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Jones says his paper will pass peer review again. But will it pass peer review in a respected civil engineering journal? Nothing less would be taken seriously.

One of Jones BYU colleagues had this to say after reading his paper...

Letter to the Editor
Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006
Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

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More critiques of his paper can be seen here.

His other paper is called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America". In it he points to circles in what seems to be the palms of south American deities suggesting they are the hands of the crucified Jesus.. As with the WTC paper, he ignores evidence like the other circles all over the artwork to make his case.

In his paper, Professor Jones often uses Professor David Ray Griffin as an authority on certain subjects. The so called "Squibs", "Conservation of Momentum and energy" and the speed of the collapse. But what is he a professor of? He sounds like a professor of physics or civil engineering specializing in controlled demolition. But as our friends above note, the experts are not really experts on the subjects at hand. Dr Griffin is a professor emeritus of philosophy of religion and theology, at the Claremont School of Theology in Claremont, California.

That doesn't mean Dr Griffin's science is wrong. It does explain why he is misapplying it, though. It also explains why his book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11" is rife with logical fallacies.

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Another "Scholar" I would like to address is one touched on by JamesB above. Judy Wood is a mechanical engineer. Yes, it's true she specializes in dentistry but that doesn't mean she's wrong about her Billiard Ball from the towers. She produced a graphic showing how long it would take a billiard ball to fall from every ten floors of the towers. She starts from the 110th floor, drops a billiard ball, goes to the 100th floor, drops another billiard ball and so forth on down to the tenth floor. Apparently, her only experience with pool is hitting the cue ball off the table. She forgets a little

Well what i thought about the view was correct after all.

They reflect the image of Rossie on to everyone who watches the view in an attempt to get the people who thinks 911 was an inside job to also change their minds like Rossie did.

So the purpose of the view is simple, it's to reflect the view of the show back to the people who watch it in order to alter the perception of people towards certain events and concepts in the world. Of course they will use this to keep everyone on the dumb side, it's not like the purpose of a mainstream corporate show like the view is for the good of us all...

Typical primitif subliminal brain washing methods, idiotic that it works.

Originally posted by amfirst
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Why dont you tell us how the Goverment found all the Higjacker DNA?
Tell us how DNA was found at the cash site when all the airplanes were vaperized?
PLEASE tell us how jet fuel melted the steel core colems in WTC 1& 2?
Tell us how WTC 7 penthouse on roof collaps first befor the building drops.
There was not any fires burning on the roof the pent house was not damage video clearly shows this Please explain?
This is just the tip of the iceburg.
The Gov will not adress any of these questions.

Originally posted by tator3
While Ranting back and forth with Elizabeth...she yells "What does it take to Impeach Bush!!" I LOVE IT!!

LOL Yup I tried watching the video but who can understand them when their all talking at once??!!

And my answer "What does it take to impeach Bush...um..."

"Act of Congress?" Don't they have to have 100,000 articles of Impeachment brought against him?

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