What's everyones thoughts on Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is running for president 2008 and I can not seem to find one bad thing on him.
Thats where you guys/gals come in, What do I not know about this man?

I think he may have my vote. Unless you guys/gals know somthing on him I dont know. In that case please share your thoughts.

Ron Paul

AlBeMeT

Here is goof article on Ron.

Link
Ron Paul is a civil constitutionalist. He supports the same ideals of peaceful, non-intervention in foreign policy and for the same reasons as did our founding fathers. (the substance of which can be reviewed in a previous article here)

But make no mistake, the founding fathers were “armed and dangerous” in response to tyranny….. and so is Ron Paul.

The discourse on interventionism, dealing with threats abroad, versus non-interventionism (dubbed by its enemies as “isolationism”) is as old as our Republic. The more you dig, the more you find. It will never stop. It has been exhaustively argued back and forth for decades.

The article sums up Ron Pauls stance very well. The bottom line being... That if you really want to see a difference in America. He is the candidate you should be supporting. Also, I have a thread going here with more about Ron paul.

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Never heard of him. I would never vote for anyone from Texas though. I have seen the type of leaders they raise there.

Originally posted by groingrinder
Never heard of him. I would never vote for anyone from Texas though. I have seen the type of leaders they raise there.

Haha... I thought we were supposed to deny ignorance on this site.

He's not even from Texas bleep bleep.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by LostSailor]

Well, he seems to be the Libertarian poster boy to be honest.

Personally I have quite a few issues about him that I don't like.
I'll just quote from the wiki article, as I don't feel like being creative and rewording the things I don't like.

He regularly votes against almost all proposals for government spending, initiatives, or taxes.

You can''t have a working government without taxes.
Though that's not to say I am not against alot of spending.

Congressman Paul advocates a strict non-interventionist foreign policy that avoids entangling alliances.

Such isolationist views are primitive and will only have negative effects
on our country, we live in a globalized world, nations, especiially like
the U.S. can no longer do that and expect to prosper, let alone exist for
a great deal of time further.

He opposes political organizations that override U.S. sovereignty such as the International Criminal Court, United Nations, and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. He thus supports withdrawal of funds and the end of participation in such organizations.

Well, considering none of those take away from sovereignty in any way,
it just goes to further show his isolationist leaning views, which I already
talked about how that is bad.

Paul opposes virtually all federal interference with the market process.

The market, and really corporations can not be trusted to be fair, apart
from that such things create a distinct upper and lower class, of which
we have not seen since the beginning of the new deal.

He also endorses defederalization of the healthcare system.

Private healthcare systems are completely outrageous and dangerous,
all people have the right to be healthy (if they want to be), regardless
of if they have the money or not.

Paul called for a repeal of the 17th amendment,[17] the same that allows for direct election of U.S. Senators.

The people of this country vote for there representatives, it is a slap
in the face to the tenants of democracy to further turn it into a
representative mess.

In 2004, he spoke out against efforts to abolish the Electoral College,

In essence he is against the popular vote being the deciding factor
of who the president is.
Yet another slap to the face of democracy.

In a 2004 speech before Congress he expressed support for the Federal Defense of Marriage Act and expressed his support for the Marriage Protection Act as an alternative to the FMA.

He supports bills that are unconstiutional.
All states have to recognize marriage licenses from other states,
and other such articles as well.


He also voted against rewarding Mother Teresa and Rosa Prks the
congressional medal of honour, apparently on the grounds that he
did'nt think it was right for the government to waste the resources
on making them.


Needless to say, he will never recieve my vote.

[edit on 3/30/2007 by iori_komei]

As a socialist I would not expect you to vote for a man that defends the constitution.

Originally posted by LostSailor
As a socialist I would not expect you to vote for a man that defends the constitution.

1. If he's really a constiutionalist, than he should'nt be trying to change
the constiution, rather enforcing waht exists.

2. I support the majority of the constiution, and being a socialist does
not mean I would'nt.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Well, he seems to be the Libertarian poster boy to be honest.

He is a Republican but is also registered with the Libertarian party.

Originally posted by iori_komei
You can''t have a working government without taxes.
Though that's not to say I am not against alot of spending.

Of course you can't... We just don't need to be taxed more. This is easily done by abolishing all forms of federal government that is unconstitutional. Which, actually, is almost all of it! Go figure huh? Pretty radical and different isn't it?

Originally posted by iori_komei
Such isolationist views are primitive and will only have negative effects
on our country, we live in a globalized world, nations, especiially like
the U.S. can no longer do that and expect to prosper, let alone exist for
a great deal of time further.

Yes they are primitive. You still think we should be spreading Democracy throughout the known world? Jesus man, our current foreign relations have "isolated" us as you like to put it... More then we have ever been "isolated" before. Our country was founded on the idea of Liberty and peace. What the hell have we become?

Originally posted by iori_komei
Well, considering none of those take away from sovereignty in any way,
it just goes to further show his isolationist leaning views, which I already
talked about how that is bad.

Take a look at Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). After you study up on these groups you can comment on why we need to protect the sovereignty of the U.S. And... No... Worrying about the U.S. first is not bad. We all know how screwed you are in the U.K. We don't want it over here too.

Originally posted by iori_komei
The market, and really corporations can not be trusted to be fair, apart
from that such things create a distinct upper and lower class, of which
we have not seen since the beginning of the new deal.

Try video googling "the monopoly men." We have no middle class right now due to the PRIVATE federal Reserve. You have it all ass backwards.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Private healthcare systems are completely outrageous and dangerous,
all people have the right to be healthy (if they want to be), regardless
of if they have the money or not.

Wouldn't be outrageous and dangerous if we had the Federal Government printing our money instead of private banks.

Originally posted by iori_komei
The people of this country vote for there representatives, it is a slap
in the face to the tenants of democracy to further turn it into a
representative mess.

I can't find where you got this one. I'll have to look into it. We are a Republic you know... Not a Democracy. Democracy is mob ruled chaos. It doesn't work.

Originally posted by iori_komei
In essence he is against the popular vote being the deciding factor
of who the president is.
Yet another slap to the face of democracy.

Again... We are a Republic. So I am glad it is a slap in the face of Democracy.

Originally posted by iori_komei
He supports bills that are unconstiutional.
All states have to recognize marriage licenses from other states,
and other such articles as well.

No they don't.

Originally posted by iori_komei
He also voted against rewarding Mother Teresa and Rosa Prks the
congressional medal of honour, apparently on the grounds that he
did'nt think it was right for the government to waste the resources
on making them.

Mother Theresa was evil not a saint.
Doesn't really matter what I think of her. It was a waste of resources and time... That's not what our federal government is supposed to be doing.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Needless to say, he will never recieve my vote.

Good, you can't vote anyways.

Peace

Originally posted by LostSailor
Take a look at Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). After you study up on these groups you can comment on why we need to protect the sovereignty of the U.S. And... No... Worrying about the U.S. first is not bad. We all know how screwed you are in the U.K. We don't want it over here too.

I don't believe in those conspiracy theories.

I do not live in the U.K, I live in the state of Washingotn.

I can't find where you got this one. I'll have to look into it. We are a Republic you know... Not a Democracy. Democracy is mob ruled chaos. It doesn't work.

I forgot to post the link.
Wiki article on Ron Paul's views.

Again... We are a Republic. So I am glad it is a slap in the face of Democracy.

We are not a true democracy, nor are we a Republic.
We are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.

No they don't.

Yes, they do, as stated by the constiution.

Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereby.

Which basically means they have to.

Good, you can't vote anyways.

I am 18, I was born and live here, I am registered to vote, so yes, I can.

[edit on 3/30/2007 by iori_komei]

Well I must say Ron Paul has my vote! His honest ways and views is just what this country needs. I actually hope he gets two terms because IMO cant fix this bush mess with only one.
Actually I kind of feel sorry for who ever gets elected because of the mess we are in.


Just my .02

AlBeMeT

Originally posted by groingrinder
Never heard of him. I would never vote for anyone from Texas though. I have seen the type of leaders they raise there.

He is actually from Pennsylvania.

AlBeMeT

Originally posted by iori_komei
I don't believe in those conspiracy theories.

I do not live in the U.K, I live in the state of Washingotn.

Those aren't conspiracies. The groups really do exist. I apologize, I thought you mentioned earlier you were British. My bad.

Originally posted by iori_komeiI forgot to post the link.
Wiki article on Ron Paul's views.

Ahhh... I see it now. So, he wants the Constitution changed "back" to the way it originally was. I see nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by iori_komei
We are not a true democracy, nor are we a Republic.
We are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.

This country was founded as a constitutional Republic. Democracy is a joke.

Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereby.

Which basically means they have to respect each states marriage license? What the hell are we even talking about?

Originally posted by iori_komeiI am 18, I was born and live here, I am registered to vote, so yes, I can.

My bad again. I suggest you take a ling look at our private Federal Reserve system. Try to find out who runs it. Remember, he who prints the money has the power.

Originally posted by LostSailor
Those aren't conspiracies. The groups really do exist.

I do not believe they are some malevolent powerful groups though,
they may have a little influence on weak individuals who can't think
for themselves, but beyond that.

Ahhh... I see it now. So, he wants the Constitution changed "back" to the way it originally was. I see nothing wrong with that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though constiutionjalists were suppose
to not want to change the current constiution, regardles of it is is
changing it back or not.

Apart from that it takes a great deal of time and effort to change the
constiution, and for the most part there is a good reason.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Democracy is a joke.

Democracy is the only fair form of government.
So long as certain limits are in place, like non-discrimination, not
allowing freedom to be limited and similiar things.

Which basically means they have to respect each states marriage license? What the hell are we even talking about?

It means that any legal documentation produced by one state must
be recognized by all other states.

Originally posted by iori_komei
I do not believe they are some malevolent powerful groups though,
they may have a little influence on weak individuals who can't think
for themselves, but beyond that.

Again, figure out who runs the PRIVATE Federal Reserve. Ever since the Federal Reserve came about the gap between the rich and the poor has increased while the middle class of America pays the price. The country went from about 90% private business owners... To 5%. All due to FDR and his incompetence as the worst president in the history of the U.S.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though constiutionjalists were suppose
to not want to change the current constiution, regardles of it is is
changing it back or not.

We want the Constitution our founding fathers had in mind. Any, amendments that take away from the Republic would need changing.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Democracy is the only fair form of government.
So long as certain limits are in place, like non-discrimination, not
allowing freedom to be limited and similiar things.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Originally posted by iori_komei
It means that any legal documentation produced by one state must
be recognized by all other states.

It has to be recognized. Not accepted. I'm still confused what the hell we are arguing here. In a Republic the individual states have more power. The Federal government just keeps the peace.

Socialism is a concept founded on ignorance, stupidity, and utopian bliss. There's no nicer way of putting it.

Originally posted by Johnmike
Socialism is a concept founded on ignorance, stupidity, and utopian bliss. There's no nicer way of putting it.

This topic has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism, nor did I,
or anyone else mention it.

Do not go off-topic.

Great two Americans arguing over politics. sighs Do the right thing and vote for a canadate who cares about America.

I'm voting for Ron Paul.

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Oh geeze I mentioned to my Aunt (another aunt) about Ron Paul over the phone and I got my ears chewed off.
He's crazy he's crazy!! I can't believe he said that on the debate!! He's a communist!!
Oi ok ok ok...
I couldn't get a word in edge wise. Please don't speak ill of her though or I would have to throw a shoe.

See if I talk to anyone else about politics.


This is what makes me so mad Ron stirred the nest and now the Republicans are mad that he won't support the war in Iraq.
Of course the Elite is scared because Ron Paul supports the constitution and if Ron gets in all their evil NAU plans will be ruined.

Its late so I'm sure their home now but I'll work on it.

[edit on 5/17/2007 by Leyla]

Ron Paul is a disgrace to the Republican Party. He is using the party to espouse his libertarian agenda. The Republican Party needs to drop him immediately, like they did David Duke. No more debates for Ron Paul!