Originally posted by kleverone
Originally posted by The Vagabond
First of all, I am almost sure that I heard a relatively rare name in that video, and I graduated MCRD with a Marine of that name (Bohencamp). He's a good friggin guy- definately not somebody who would initiate something like this, and the kind of guy who would be more likely than most to talk if he'd seen it. I'll try to look him up and see if by some amazing stroke of luck the guy I heard being called was the guy I know. I do know that 5th Marines got a lot of guys who graduated the depot at the time we did- most of them actually went to 2/5, not 1/5... but I'll check it out and let you know if my friend actually was there (and it should be verifiable if so).
My thoughts though:
Originally posted by kleverone
Uhh yeah, uhhh we were wrong and should have allowed them to at least identify themselves like police have to
In what universe does the decision to enter an area that non-combatants should be fleeing not constitute identifying yourself?
Please explain to me how you may or may not know you are driving into a combatant area? I see many roads leading to that area, are all the entries and exits marked combatant zone? Are there checkpoints at each entry and exit?
So now to make a little inference. You're being sent into combat and you've been given a rocket launcher so that you won't get bogged down and torn up by enemies holding up in a building along your route. You encounter some civilians you want to slaughter. Do you: A. Shoot them. or B. Unncessarily expend mission critical assets which may save your life later?
If I'm not mistaken I can hear one soldiers anxiously ecouraging the other holding the Rocket Launcher to get it up. They obviously didn't need to use it, it was a masacre, they were nowhere near bogged down. I certainly see what you are saying but these soldiers not in danger in this situation. You also mentioned you may have saw a round impact right on the edge, I must have missed that, could you give me a time in the vid so I can check that one out.
A tactics the Marines used would be to airdrop or let it publicly be known that if you were a noncombatant you should leave the city several days beforehand. Then they would clear the city, anyone who stayed behind would be considered a combatant, but it is not as if you would happen to not know everyone is leaving the city and that this was happening, it was clear to everyone what was going down.
The fact that an RPG was used seems barbaric to the average citizen, however, anyone with a military background (which I have) knows that in a firefight fire superiority is the primary objective of the support by fire element, which those Marines were apart of. Overwhelming force is necessary to pin down and suppress the enemy until a cease fire is called. It looks like they are just carelessly goofing off, but in fact they are doing what they are supposed to do and anyone who has been in a firefight knows are getting that rush of adrenaline.