posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 11:45 AM
One of the reasons there are high civilian casualties is because the insurgents ambush marines in crowded urban areas. Initially the marines don't
know exactly where all the enemy shooters are, some might have an idea but one also can't take chances. Who knows just how many insurgents there are
ambushing you and from what buildings or alley ways. One has no choice but to shoot into every window, and pop grenades off into alley ways to cover
themselves, lay down supressive fire to keep the enemy at bay long enough for our marines to get out of the kill box, and regroup in a defendable
People will be behind those windows civilian and hostile, people will be trying to seek refuge in those alleys civilian and hostile, in the middle of
it it's hard to figure out whos who. lots of civilians die because of this.
Insurgents will hide in hamlets and apartments, schools ,municiple buildings. There are civilians around but there are also groups of armed
insurgents ducking from one building to another and they have RPG and machine guns and are shooting at you seemingly randomly. One doesn't have time
to see where they are, you need to return fire fast to get some degree of leverage over the situation, Mk 19s will be used to obliviate the entire
hamlet or artillary will be used to mow down the city block that the insurgents are hiding in. Marines didn't have time to go house to house during
he initial start of the war, nor were they willing to place their men in harms way clearing the hamlet room to room. Marines die that way, so they
blow up the village. Harsh but effective if you are looking to protect your own men. Lots of civilians die when this happens. The insurgents know
they will get smoked out in the open so they hide in the cities and fight using the atrition stratagy coupled with wining the media war painting us as
brutes, when they have purposly chosen the cities as the battle ground to achieve this stratagy.
The laughing afterwards is a perfectly normal psychological reaction to surviving just having your life threatened or having just gone through some
really stressful situation. All men in all the countries militaries do it. It's normal.
If you are scared for your life and then survive the body releases that stress by whooping and laughing, it's as normal a reaction as it is to shiver
when you are cold. Everybody would probably rejoice after surviving a firefight, even if it was one sided.
They could have been estatic because the guys they shot at were a team of insurgents that were of particular nuisance harrasing US soldiers in the
last few weeks in that area of the city and they finally got them.
I agree with that one marine though. That was a sweet head shot right into the guy driving the car. Shows the level of competancy marines have due
to their training and commradarie.
If the marines found out later that they had just wasted a bunch of civilians than I figure that they like other marines I've known will probably
work out their emotions in their own way later on at the next camp fire when they dig their ranger graves for the night. Some getting sullen and
withdrawn others become very talkative about the incident trying to figure out their feeling, others will beat themselves up, and the good officers
will have to remain stoic, hold all of their personal thoughts and feelings in and remain level headed to make good decisions or not get distracted
into falling apart on themsleves and their men, all while trying to remaine a model of reasurance.
Marines do find time to help out the innocent they've wounded when they can. Luitenants have found that it's critical to the marine platoons
phycological health. Most marines from the ones I've spoken to don't celebrate how many men they killed once they get back home, it's not all the
killing that they have warm memories of but the things they did right, how many of their own men they brought home safe, and how many times they made
the right decisions. Those are the things they are the most proud about.
One thing I know is that Marines don't sit around the camp and feel sorry for the insurgents, or enemy compatants they kill. For that they feel no