reply to post by ignorant_ape
I see that you are one of those Deny Ignorance Loyalists... looking to earn some stripes are we?
Your comparing the subject of this thread to accusations made in the past about this site being owned by Uncle Sam is just idiotic. Methinks you are
so desperate to earn those stripes you scrambled for an example that is blowing thiis issue out of all proportion.
Calm down, and take a breather. If you weren't so hasty to prove your obediance, you would see I am mocking this thread in its entirity - thats ALL
angles, including those that you seem to be accusing me of approaching from.
Seems dbates might have got it, though...
Moderators Are Not Above The Terms & Conditions, page 3
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reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 03:45 PM by Mr Mxyztplk
reply to post by intrepid
A bit off topic, but wasn’t the netchicken incident more of an act of treachery/interboerd warfare as opposed to moderator policing?
A bit off topic, but wasn’t the netchicken incident more of an act of treachery/interboerd warfare as opposed to moderator policing?
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 03:50 PM by intrepid
reply to post by Mr Mxyztplk
It was both. This guy went overboard with me when I wasn't staff. He was not a good moderator.
It was both. This guy went overboard with me when I wasn't staff. He was not a good moderator.
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 03:52 PM by ignorant_ape
Originally posted by Terran Blue
reply to post by ignorant_ape
I see that you are one of those Deny Ignorance Loyalists... looking to earn some stripes are we?
no - i asked a question - your total avoidance of it is telling
Your comparing the subject of this thread to accusations made in the past about this site being owned by Uncle Sam is just idiotic. Methinks you are so desperate to earn those stripes you scrambled for an example that is blowing thiis issue out of all proportion.
no it is spot on - claims are made , no subsansial evidence is presentevd and demanda are made that ATS " disproove them "
the parrallels are uncanny
Calm down, and take a breather. If you weren't so hasty to prove your obediance, you would see I am mocking this thread in its entirity - thats ALL angles, including those that you seem to be accusing me of approaching from.
nice back peddling
i am calm , i do not need to " take a breath " as breathing is an autonomic reaction for me
your entire reply was a descent from evasion , through ad-homeinim to back peddling , bravo - you are an idiot
(j/k) 
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 05:27 PM by intrepid
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Just for the record BH wasn't removed. She preferred to not have the handcuffs on. Yes, handcuffs. Staff can't post as they will, even inside the T&C. There are some that would still take offense, even though there is nothing wrong with their post.
Just for the record BH wasn't removed. She preferred to not have the handcuffs on. Yes, handcuffs. Staff can't post as they will, even inside the T&C. There are some that would still take offense, even though there is nothing wrong with their post.
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 06:46 PM by Majic
The Best Defense
It doesn't bother me too much if someone takes offense to something that isn't offensive, so I don't let that stop me.
Getting back to the point of this thread, I must say some of the responses don't make any sense to me whatsoever.
There are no exemptions in the terms & conditions for moderators, and the administrators have made it absolutely clear that they apply to mods just as they apply to any other member.
I'm not denying that mods occasionally violate the T&C either, otherwise I wouldn't be advising members on what to do when they see it happen.
Laying Out The Terms
For those wondering, I link to the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use as often as I do because far too many members clearly remain in ignorance of them despite their own explicit agreements to honor them and the persistent urgings of myself and all other staff members to understand them.
People can be facetious and try to quibble over all this if they want, but doing so is pointless and I won't be playing along with such efforts.
Rather, I just want to make sure that as many of my fellow members as possible understand that the terms & conditions are binding upon all of us, including mods, and that it is the duty of the staff to enforce them regardless of who may violate them.
That's why I'm asking members to report violations by staff members.
We can't respond if we're not aware of them.
Originally posted by intrepid
Staff can't post as they will, even inside the T&C. There are some that would still take offense, even though there is nothing wrong with their post.
It doesn't bother me too much if someone takes offense to something that isn't offensive, so I don't let that stop me.
Getting back to the point of this thread, I must say some of the responses don't make any sense to me whatsoever.
There are no exemptions in the terms & conditions for moderators, and the administrators have made it absolutely clear that they apply to mods just as they apply to any other member.
I'm not denying that mods occasionally violate the T&C either, otherwise I wouldn't be advising members on what to do when they see it happen.
Laying Out The Terms
For those wondering, I link to the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use as often as I do because far too many members clearly remain in ignorance of them despite their own explicit agreements to honor them and the persistent urgings of myself and all other staff members to understand them.
People can be facetious and try to quibble over all this if they want, but doing so is pointless and I won't be playing along with such efforts.
Rather, I just want to make sure that as many of my fellow members as possible understand that the terms & conditions are binding upon all of us, including mods, and that it is the duty of the staff to enforce them regardless of who may violate them.
That's why I'm asking members to report violations by staff members.
We can't respond if we're not aware of them.
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 09:03 PM by worldwatcher
reply to post by Mr Mxyztplk
mod x would be able to respond as in offering their side and reasoning, however they can't hide it under a virtual rug, or stick into a closet... to prevent staff from seeing it if that is what you're worried about.
mod x would be able to respond as in offering their side and reasoning, however they can't hide it under a virtual rug, or stick into a closet... to prevent staff from seeing it if that is what you're worried about.
reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 09:07 PM by Mr Mxyztplk
reply to post by worldwatcher
Not so much worried, I’ve only been chewed out by a mod once, and I defiantly deserved it.
I’m just wondering how it works.
Not so much worried, I’ve only been chewed out by a mod once, and I defiantly deserved it.
I’m just wondering how it works.
reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 01:02 AM by Majic
Bully Mods
Another thing I know members worry about (yeah, I used to worry about it too) is a form of abuse where you get on a mod's "bad side" because you disagree on some topic or ideological issue and then that mod uses his or her position as a moderator to harass you.**
If you think this is happening, please let us know!
That sort of misconduct is death to an online community, and we go to great pains to avoid giving any member even the slightest impression that it's tolerated.
As mentioned above, all staff members can see complaints.
While circumstances may vary, if a member expresses concern that a mod is "out to get them", other mods will review the complaint and typically the accused mod will -- just in case -- opt to avoid taking any action against that member in the future and refer any problems to other mods.
Team Spirit
So concerned are we about even the perception of being abusive that we generally don't take moderator action in threads where we participate as members (i.e., giving our own opinions on the topic), but instead are encouraged to request reviews by other mods if we see T&C violations.
I very much understand why some members might be concerned about anything involving conflicts with mods, and there have been problems of this kind in the past. We don't want or need that kind of trouble now or going forward, so we're very passionate about keeping an eye on each other.
The first thing I was taught when I became a mod is that we work as a team. Cowboys and Rambos need not apply, and when there is any doubt, all mods are expected to call in backup to make sure we do the right thing.
That doesn't mean we're perfect, or that mods don't blow a fuse now and then. It happens.
I'm just saying that when it does happen, we have ways of dealing with it, and where members have been wronged, we want to make things right.
**NOTE: Responding to repeated and willful violations of the terms & conditions is not harassment, but what mods are expected to do. If you're not violating the T&C, however, and a mod is on your case because of your opinions on the issues, that is harassment and should be reported immediately.
Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk
Not so much worried, I’ve only been chewed out by a mod once, and I defiantly deserved it.
I’m just wondering how it works.
Another thing I know members worry about (yeah, I used to worry about it too) is a form of abuse where you get on a mod's "bad side" because you disagree on some topic or ideological issue and then that mod uses his or her position as a moderator to harass you.**
If you think this is happening, please let us know!
That sort of misconduct is death to an online community, and we go to great pains to avoid giving any member even the slightest impression that it's tolerated.
As mentioned above, all staff members can see complaints.
While circumstances may vary, if a member expresses concern that a mod is "out to get them", other mods will review the complaint and typically the accused mod will -- just in case -- opt to avoid taking any action against that member in the future and refer any problems to other mods.
Team Spirit
So concerned are we about even the perception of being abusive that we generally don't take moderator action in threads where we participate as members (i.e., giving our own opinions on the topic), but instead are encouraged to request reviews by other mods if we see T&C violations.
I very much understand why some members might be concerned about anything involving conflicts with mods, and there have been problems of this kind in the past. We don't want or need that kind of trouble now or going forward, so we're very passionate about keeping an eye on each other.
The first thing I was taught when I became a mod is that we work as a team. Cowboys and Rambos need not apply, and when there is any doubt, all mods are expected to call in backup to make sure we do the right thing.
That doesn't mean we're perfect, or that mods don't blow a fuse now and then. It happens.
I'm just saying that when it does happen, we have ways of dealing with it, and where members have been wronged, we want to make things right.
**NOTE: Responding to repeated and willful violations of the terms & conditions is not harassment, but what mods are expected to do. If you're not violating the T&C, however, and a mod is on your case because of your opinions on the issues, that is harassment and should be reported immediately.
reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 01:13 AM by 12m8keall2c
Originally posted by Majic
That doesn't mean we're perfect, or that mods don't blow a fuse now and then. It happens.
I'm just saying that when it does happen, we have ways of dealing with it, and where members have been wronged, we want to make things right.
**NOTE: Responding to repeated and willful violations of the terms & conditions is not harassment, but what mods are expected to do. If you're not violating the T&C, however, and a mod is on your case because of your opinions on the issues, that is harassment and should be reported immediately.
A note to those who may read this:
Refresh your understanding of the Terms and Conditions, READ the above, POST and NOTIFY accordingly...
YOU'LL BE GOLDEN. Honestly.
It really IS that simple.
$.02
reply posted on 20-10-2007 @ 02:17 AM by TheBorg
reply to post by BuzzingOn
Here's a word from the wise. The Amigos all have email addresses. Put them into your email friends list, so that when/if something of that nature happens at a later time, you can email them, and explain your side. I can assure you that they WILL respond in kind, and in a hurry. All of this is contingent, of course, on the investigation that they will do into the matter.
Heck, if you want, you can get a hold of me via my email address in my profile, and I'll submit a complaint on your behalf. I got no problem with that. And that goes for EVERYONE here, ok? We stick together, fight together, and Deny Ignorance together!! 'Till the bitter end!!
TheBorg
[Edited to clarify a point.]
[edit on 20-10-2007 by TheBorg]
Here's a word from the wise. The Amigos all have email addresses. Put them into your email friends list, so that when/if something of that nature happens at a later time, you can email them, and explain your side. I can assure you that they WILL respond in kind, and in a hurry. All of this is contingent, of course, on the investigation that they will do into the matter.
Heck, if you want, you can get a hold of me via my email address in my profile, and I'll submit a complaint on your behalf. I got no problem with that. And that goes for EVERYONE here, ok? We stick together, fight together, and Deny Ignorance together!! 'Till the bitter end!!
TheBorg
[Edited to clarify a point.]
[edit on 20-10-2007 by TheBorg]
